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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:I don’t think it does. Prior to spice, didn’t they rely on advanced, AI supercomputers which are now outlawed and religiously banned? They have FTL, then they have instantaneous space folding. the space folding requires spice to give humans prescentience, although a computer could do it as well. There is a bunch of times in the book where they mention various groups without access to spice having to travel months to get somewhere. To move warships or come back from somewhere. And space folding only got invented after dune was discovered.
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I did think it was kind of funny that losing to Jessica demonstrates weakness, but you can't fight her directly. It seems a little contradictory: either she's a legitimate warrior and losing to her in battle signals weakness and she may also accept challeneges in combat, or she's a spooky weirding woman and being bested by her is trickery that exists outside of the rules of their honor system.
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The whole jamis fight sequence is not a highlight of the book honestly. Chani is actually the worst part but it's all a little sloppy
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Nov 1, 2021 19:15
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Jack B Nimble posted:I did think it was kind of funny that losing to Jessica demonstrates weakness, but you can't fight her directly. It seems a little contradictory: either she's a legitimate warrior and losing to her in battle signals weakness and she may also accept challeneges in combat, or she's a spooky weirding woman and being bested by her is trickery that exists outside of the rules of their honor system. Sayyadina or no, she's a water fat offworlder. Those people pretty much all suck at fighting by fremen standards. Stereotypes and prejudice are still bullshit in Dune.
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The film also makes it super obvious that Stilgar thinks Jamis is being a huge dumbass about the whole thing
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Complications posted:Sayyadina or no, she's a water fat offworlder. Those people pretty much all suck at fighting by fremen standards. Stereotypes and prejudice are still bullshit in Dune. Yeah, I don't think there's any way to square the circle other than to say it illustrates a contradictory prejudice. Which is actually "fine" as an answer, especially since Jessica and Paul would still be forced by necessity to accommodate the Fremen custom. AnEdgelord posted:The film also makes it super obvious that Stilgar thinks Jamis is being a huge dumbass about the whole thing Also a very good point: it's a real "c'mon man" moment where Jamis is technically within his rights but is clearly being a petty dick.
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Someone who enjoyed Dunc: "I loved it, best I've seen in awhile etc I have a minor nitpick but I acknowledge it as such and I am interested in more dune"  DUNC fan: "gently caress you!!! You're sooo stupid!"  MrL_JaKiri posted:Idaho isn't a deep cover spy, he's a guy who's good at fighting and sexing the ladies Is he really? He kinda dies and gets cucked a lot for a supposedly sexy badass. Almost Boba Fett-esque perception vs reality.
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Nov 1, 2021 19:21
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Chernabog posted:In the movie Yueh is just blackmailed, but if I recall correctly in the book he is mentally conditioned and literally incapable of harming his masters so the Harkonnen had to reprogram him. Can somebody remind me how they did that? StashAugustine posted:By blackmail. (Its kinda silly, which is probably why it was cut- there's also an aspect that Yueh is rationalizing to himself that the Atreides are doomed and he's actually giving them an out by letting Paul and Jessica escape) Yeah, upon re-reading the book after seeing the movie this past weekend, I realized they didn't break his conditioning, they subverted it. By dangling his wife's torture and uncertain status over his head, and letting him know the extent of the plot against the Atreides, the Harkonnens got Yueh to hate the Baron enough to twist his sense of loyalty--he saw getting the Baron within killing distance and giving Leto the tool to do the job as the best way for him to serve his master, when they were both doomed anyways. Meaty Ore fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Nov 1, 2021 |
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Blood Boils posted:Is he really? He kinda dies and gets cucked a lot for a supposedly sexy badass. Almost Boba Fett-esque perception vs reality. Wuh? 
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stev posted:Wuh? It's when someone fucks your wife while you sit in the corner and watch. Duncan likes what he likes.
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Nov 1, 2021 19:37
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Meaty Ore posted:Yeah, upon re-reading the book after seeing the movie this past weekend, I realized they didn't break his conditioning, they subverted it. By dangling his wife's torture and uncertain status over his head, and letting him know the extent of the plot against the Atreides, the Harkonnens got Yueh to hate the Baron enough to twist his sense of loyalty--he saw getting the Baron within killing distance and giving Leto the tool to do the job as the best way for him to serve his master, when they were both doomed anyways. They don't know that's what they did though, that's the interesting thing about 'the way to beat the unbeatable conditioning is blackmail'. Piter and the Baron don't understand what they've done to Yeoh because they don't understand how love works, and that's Piter's undoing.
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Duncan getting exceptionally mad at a bit of light play between two Fishspeakers never fails to amuse me, because it's just so loving dumb of a hangup.
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Just realized we didn't get to see Jessica give Drunken Idaho the stern talking-to, would've been a great scene between Ferguson and Momoa
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Nov 1, 2021 19:55
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The way they handled Jamis getting mad in a dumb way about their very specific fremen rules is going to be a nice foreshadow to (sequel book spoilers) Paul heading into the desert at the end of messiah if they ever get there.
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:Duncan getting exceptionally mad at a bit of light play between two Fishspeakers never fails to amuse me, because it's just so loving dumb of a hangup. Doesn't the book basically "OK Boomer" him for that decades before that was a meme?
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sean10mm posted:Doesn't the book basically "OK Boomer" him for that decades before that was a meme? Yeah, Moneo basically sighs and says, "whatever man, get over it." The point isn't that lesbians are icky or any such nonsense. It's that Duncan is an outdated stick-in-the-mud.
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Nov 1, 2021 20:44
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stev posted:Which is really why it feels like the movie just ends. They could have either made a bigger thing out of the duel to make it feel like more of a climactic moment (ie Fellowship of the Ring merging the ending of the book with the beginning of Two Towers and making the whole thing feel bigger) or done more to sell it being a huge character moment for Paul. I don't like agreeing with Ben Shapiro but his whole "feels strangely 15 minutes too long and 2 and a half hours too short" in his Dune review described it pretty well.
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jisforjosh posted:I don't like agreeing with Ben Shapiro but his whole "feels strangely 15 minutes too long and 2 and a half hours too short" in his Dune review described it pretty well. Which is odd, because I thought he liked dry things.
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Randalor posted:Which is odd, because I thought he liked dry things.  He actually loved the movie but completely glossed over who the Fremen are analogs for
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sean10mm posted:Doesn't the book basically "OK Boomer" him for that decades before that was a meme? Yeah Moneo goes "You've had my dick in your mouth, you know."
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Ben Shapiro does movie reviews? I thought he was just a hate preacher.
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I think its a bad adaptation because not once did I hear the line "mood is for cattle and loveplay"
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stev posted:Ben Shapiro does movie reviews? I thought he was just a hate preacher. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWfQwGiO66U apparently He's really bad at reviewing movies obviously lol
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Nov 1, 2021 21:01
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“Let’s see what nazis think of Dune” excellent.
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jisforjosh posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWfQwGiO66U thanks said no one at all ever
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So, video game adaptations. Where could we go using only the official book canon (gently caress off Brian and KJA) and the new movies style and presentation? RTS is an obvious choice though niche, but what could be Dune's Arkham Asylum or Shadow of Mordor? Something that draws from across the source into a package that is stand-alone and approachable?
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Eason the Fifth posted:Just realized we didn't get to see Jessica give Drunken Idaho the stern talking-to, would've been a great scene between Ferguson and Momoa that scene's only relevant if you have the plot of Piter trying to trick Hawat and Leto into thinking Jessica's the traitor, and Leto pretending to believe it. not surprised to see it gone.
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Inspector Gesicht posted:So, video game adaptations. Where could we go using only the official book canon (gently caress off Brian and KJA) and the new movies style and presentation? Finally time to make a real survival game!
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Nov 1, 2021 21:43
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FPS with melee combat elements for shielded enemies.
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Chernabog posted:In the movie Yueh is just blackmailed, but if I recall correctly in the book he is mentally conditioned and literally incapable of harming his masters so the Harkonnen had to reprogram him. Can somebody remind me how they did that? Even in the book the Harkonnens don't quite know how they succeeded in reprogramming him; it's a plot hole.
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jisforjosh posted:I don't like agreeing with Ben Shapiro but his whole "feels strangely 15 minutes too long and 2 and a half hours too short" in his Dune review described it pretty well. Lookit this guy who reads Ben Shapiro reviews and has no good movie opinions
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jisforjosh posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWfQwGiO66U Can you nsfw that face
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thotsky posted:Even in the book the Harkonnens don't quite know how they succeeded in reprogramming him; it's a plot hole. I always figured that the conditioning was kinda bullshit but they'd managed to get byvon reputation. Everyone knows the conditioning is unbreakable, ergo nobody wastes any time trying to break it when easier targets are available.
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Blood Boils posted:Someone who enjoyed Dunc: "I loved it, best I've seen in awhile etc I have a minor nitpick but I acknowledge it as such and I am interested in more dune" He took out a bunch of sardaukar in this film in a tragic last stand, though I remember his death being a lot less dignified in the book
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Vagabong posted:I always figured that the conditioning was kinda bullshit but they'd managed to get byvon reputation. Everyone knows the conditioning is unbreakable, ergo nobody wastes any time trying to break it when easier targets are available. I had figured since it was imperial conditioning and the emperor was in on the plan, there was some kind of official bypass they were able to use
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2house2fly posted:I had figured since it was imperial conditioning and the emperor was in on the plan, there was some kind of official bypass they were able to use Nope! quote:When my father, the Padishah Emperor, heard of Duke Leo's death and the manner of it, he went into such a rage as we had never seen before...he had been aroused to this passion not by concern over the dead Duke but by what that death implied for all royalty.
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jisforjosh posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWfQwGiO66U I'll balance this take with Zizek https://youtu.be/8KjFeY1aKbo
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It probably would've made more sense if Gurney was the traitor. Maybe to save his sister or something. Also would've added a layer to his training scene with Paul.
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