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Shanty
Nov 7, 2005

I Love Dogs
Get Guy Pearce for the Emperor. Basically make him Prometheus' Weyland who gets to prolong his life with spice, but was never allowed to make androids. Has access to the most important planet in the universe, but only sends pseudo-religious weirdo scientists to check it out. Keeps having daughters, but really wants the perfect son.

Intertextuality off the charts here IMO

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Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018
Sting as Emperor, Jake G as Feyd-Rautha. Or vice versa, it's all fine

Gonz
Dec 22, 2009

"Jesus, did I say that? Or just think it? Was I talking? Did they hear me?"

Failed Imagineer posted:

Sting as Emperor, Jake G as Feyd-Rautha. Or vice versa, it's all fine

I accidentally misread this as “Jay Z as Feyd-Rautha”.

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Gonz posted:

I accidentally misread this as “Jay Z as Feyd-Rautha”.

I mean, yeah

Cheesus
Oct 17, 2002

Let us retract the foreskin of ignorance and apply the wirebrush of enlightenment.
Yam Slacker

Starks posted:

Hollywood getting a little too comfortable with slavface after Black Widow and Borat.
So you're saying Sacha Baron Cohen while reprising Jean Gerard's accent from Talladega Nights as Shaddam IV?

Trump
Jul 16, 2003

Cute

Failed Imagineer posted:

Sound goes "boom", then he steps on it twice more and it goes "boom boom" and he says "drum sand". The viewer, knowing what both "drum" and "sand" mean individually, is invited to use abductive reasoning to explore the subtextual connection between the two

This is my favorite post in all of CD

stev
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.



Tbh that was one of the few times I found the dialogue was drowned out by the score. At first I thought he said "It's sand!" and I was like... Yeah? :shrug:

psychic chasms
Oct 23, 2012

SCREWED UP CLICK TILL THEY LAY ME IN MY CASKET

Starks posted:

I think it’s gonna be someone like Daniel Kaluuya. Popular recent academy award winner that can act their rear end off in a few scenes. And I think he could pull off “old guy that looks young” better than an actual old guy who looks young. I think Villeneuve doesn’t care about making details like hair colour for secondary characters true to the book, that would be a little too restrictive.

There’s not that many new characters for them to add in the sequel from what I understand, and with some of the big names dead they’re going to want to replace them with actors that will draw a crowd.

Edit: On second thought, "Spice makes you look 40 years younger" might be a tricky concept to pull off in a film, so I wouldn't be surprised if they mostly ignore it and go for an older actor with some make-up.

i am now insanely upset that michael k. williams is no longer with us to absolutely crush this role

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Trump posted:

This is my favorite post in all of CD

Thanks Trump! Working Hard!

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018
What if the Imperial Herald from the start of the movie turned out to be the Emperor? I know it's not in the book or anything but it's the kinda stupid thing Emperors do sometimes, like Undercover Boss but for the Galactic Imperium instead of a Hobby Lobby.

Yeah, I realise this is falling into the realm of "goons suggest terrible pointless plot ideas*

stev
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.



Failed Imagineer posted:

What if the Imperial Herald from the start of the movie turned out to be the Emperor? I know it's not in the book or anything but it's the kinda stupid thing Emperors do sometimes, like Undercover Boss but for the Galactic Imperium instead of a Hobby Lobby.

Yeah, I realise this is falling into the realm of "goons suggest terrible pointless plot ideas*

I love Benjamin Clementine so if they can find a way to get him in it more I'll be happy with that.

FLIPADELPHIA
Apr 27, 2007

Heavy Shit
Grimey Drawer
Mads Mikkelson for emperor. Frightening but can also play the squealing pig once cornered (casino royale).

2house2fly
Nov 14, 2012

You did a super job wrapping things up! And I'm not just saying that because I have to!

stev posted:

Tbh that was one of the few times I found the dialogue was drowned out by the score. At first I thought he said "It's sand!" and I was like... Yeah? :shrug:

Paul: [taps the ground] "It's sand."

Jessica: [dawning horror] "It's coarse, and rough... and... irritating..."

Paul: "...and it gets everywhere."

[beat]

Both: "RUUUUUUN!"

2house2fly
Nov 14, 2012

You did a super job wrapping things up! And I'm not just saying that because I have to!

banned from Starbucks posted:

Couple things im curious about ..are we still spoiling stuff? The Duke complains that the equipment the Harkonnens left them is trash but in the prologue part their spice collecting machines look totally different than the jawa sandcrawler things the Ateides use once they get there. Also Khal Drogo flys around in some stealth fighter looking thing on Calaban but on Arrakis they only use the dragonfly things which I think you see in the prologue as well. Are they just completely using old Harkonnen stuff? Did they just not bring any of their superior air power stuff Poe Dameron talks about at home?

The desert isn't kind to equipment, the Atreides' aircraft aren't equipped to function in the desert while the dragonflies are. The Harkonnens were using high-end Nvidia 3090 spice miners but they took those with them and left some Intel HD 4400 chips for the Atreides to play Crysis with

Hodgepodge
Jan 29, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 246 days!

2house2fly posted:

Paul: [taps the ground] "It's sand."

Jessica: [dawning horror] "It's coarse, and rough... and... irritating..."

Paul: "...and it gets everywhere."

[beat]

Both: "RUUUUUUN!"

Anakin would have liked sand a lot better if it were full of drugs.

Assepoester
Jul 18, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!
Melman v2

Steve Yun posted:

Good look for a movie to kill off all the black characters, one by the protagonist’s hand, and follow up with a sequel where the black emperor gets overthrown
The Harkonnens are the whitest people in the galaxy, the Corrinoans the blackest, he wipes them both out and on the whole it balances out.

Paul Atreides' Radical Centrist Jihad

Also it would be really cool to have red eyed Idris Elba to contrast blue eyed Paul

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

Starks posted:

Edit: On second thought, "Spice makes you look 40 years younger" might be a tricky concept to pull off in a film, so I wouldn't be surprised if they mostly ignore it and go for an older actor with some make-up.
I mean, they could just get a fresh-faced young actor who is actually talented and can play older. But let's be serious, they're definitely going to hire some feted European thespian for gravitas.

Just get Michael Fassbender. He's only 44 and has enough Serious Actor credit.

Torquemada
Oct 21, 2010

Drei Gläser
David Caruso better have a shot.

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Halloween Jack posted:

I mean, they could just get a fresh-faced young actor who is actually talented and can play older. But let's be serious, they're definitely going to hire some feted European thespian for gravitas.

I mean they had Oscar Isaac playing a noble duke and he's Guatemalan-Cuban, so I wouldn't be shocked if DV branched out

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!
I changed my mind. Bob Odenkirk.

stev
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.



Halloween Jack posted:

I changed my mind. Bob Odenkirk.

It's going to be Giancarlo isn't it.

Toxic Fart Syndrome
Jul 2, 2006

*hits A-THREAD-5*

Only 3.6 Roentgoons per hour ... not great, not terrible.




...the meter only goes to 3.6...

Pork Pro
wow an entire page and no one has mad this obvious suggestion

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



Failed Imagineer posted:

What if the Imperial Herald from the start of the movie turned out to be the Emperor? I know it's not in the book or anything but it's the kinda stupid thing Emperors do sometimes, like Undercover Boss but for the Galactic Imperium instead of a Hobby Lobby.

Yeah, I realise this is falling into the realm of "goons suggest terrible pointless plot ideas*

I would assume that the heads of the houses know what the Emperor looks like, although consider the importance of what's going on, I could see the Emperor being the one to issue the decree in person, as a "I know you have the option of running away, I want you to have the balls to say it to my face" kind of power move.

flashy_mcflash
Feb 7, 2011

This is gonna fuckin own


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DkxB75CNvA

Baron von Eevl
Jan 24, 2005

WHITE NOISE
GENERATOR

🔊😴

Cheesus posted:

So you're saying Sacha Baron Cohen while reprising Jean Gerard's accent from Talladega Nights as Shaddam IV?

int. emperor's throne room
[Paul walks past two enormous fish-men floating in gigantic tanks filled with spice]
Paul: wait are those guild navigators?
Emperor, dismissively: no.

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

Failed Imagineer posted:

What if the Imperial Herald from the start of the movie turned out to be the Emperor? I know it's not in the book or anything but it's the kinda stupid thing Emperors do sometimes, like Undercover Boss but for the Galactic Imperium instead of a Hobby Lobby.

Yeah, I realise this is falling into the realm of "goons suggest terrible pointless plot ideas*
It's the kind of thing I wouldn't want to add to an already complicated narrative. The idea of the Emperor sneaking around his own kingdom in disguise is interesting, and reminds me of some of Jodorowsky's ideas for the character.

But part of Dune's story is that the Emperor's grasp is slipping because he doesn't pay attention to the people beneath him. What you're suggesting is a lot more like the Autarch in the Book of the New Sun.

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
Everyone should play DUKE games.

:dukedog:
They should have the speaker/majestrix merged minds thing from House Ordos instead of one emperor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRlSVUTy1LA

Baron Porkface
Jan 22, 2007


Just stopping by to remind everyone that Chapterhouse:Dune has genetically engineered catgirls.

PeterWeller
Apr 21, 2003

I told you that story so I could tell you this one.

Inspector Gesicht posted:

I believe the notion that the Reverend Mother is Jessica's bio-mother only appears in the scribblings of the Pair Who Must Not Be Named. Not in the canon.

Nah, as mentioned Paul reveals it when he and Jessica are in the stilltent:

quote:

But Paul's voice went on at that implacable pace, dragging her with it. "When next you find a mirror, study your face--study mine now. The traces are there if you don't blind yourself. Look at my hands, the set of my bones. And if none of this convinces you, then take my word for it. I've walked the future, I've looked at a record, I've seen a place, I have all the data. We're Harkonnens." "A . . . renegade branch of the family," she said. "That's it, isn't it? Some Harkonnen cousin who--" "You're the Baron's own daughter," he said, and watched the way she pressed her hands to her mouth. "The Baron sampled many pleasures in his youth, and once permitted himself to be seduced. But it was for the genetic purposes of the Bene Gesserit, by one of you."


Baron Porkface posted:

Just stopping by to remind everyone that Chapterhouse:Dune has genetically engineered catgirls.

More importantly, it has genetically engineered chairdogs.

ruddiger
Jun 3, 2004

Emperor’s gonna be sting guys, quit playing.

Martman
Nov 20, 2006

ruddiger posted:

Emperor’s gonna be sting guys, quit playing.
but, the wrestling one

CelticPredator
Oct 11, 2013
🍀👽🆚🪖🏋

Chris Pratt as emperor of the dune

Basebf555
Feb 29, 2008

The greatest sensual pleasure there is is to know the desires of another!

Fun Shoe
It occurred to me while watching this that Vin Diesel totally ripped off the Harkonnens when he made Chronicles of Riddick. Or David Twohy did I guess, but I think we all know Vin had a lot of creative control over that movie.

BlankSystemDaemon
Mar 13, 2009



Basebf555 posted:

It occurred to me while watching this that Vin Diesel totally ripped off the Harkonnens when he made Chronicles of Riddick. Or David Twohy did I guess, but I think we all know Vin had a lot of creative control over that movie.
A shitload of creative people have ripped off Dune over the years, some more unapologetically than others.

Basebf555
Feb 29, 2008

The greatest sensual pleasure there is is to know the desires of another!

Fun Shoe
Oh yea I mean I'm not being critical of Vin, but it's always jarring when you realize that something you've thought was cool for like 20 years turns out to be an imitation of something else that was cool 20 years before you were even born.

MrL_JaKiri
Sep 23, 2003

A bracing glass of carrot juice!

PeterWeller posted:

Nah, as mentioned Paul reveals it when he and Jessica are in the stilltent:

? That's about her father, her mother is unnamed

WarMECH
Dec 23, 2004
Jessica's father is the Barron, that is canon. Mohiam being her mother is failson bullshit and is just 10 levels of stupid.

porfiria
Dec 10, 2008

by Modern Video Games

Ej posted:

Finally got to see this, and feel like bleeding my thoughts out onto the sands of this thread.

Villeneuve is such a frustrating director to watch for movies like this because he is SO married to the first-person style of storytelling. Almost everything in this movie revolves around Paul, and how he personally experiences the story. It makes for a very visceral watch, and I feel like the most impressive parts of the movie are in the feel of it. The buildings are all massive brutalist behemoths, with cavernous and poorly lit interiors. It looks like these people live in mausoleums, and they behave like it. Their mood is as cavernous and dimly lit as the sets they inhabit. There is feeling there, and every once in a while it surfaces, but when it does it feels like violence, an upset of the natural balance. The only character who seems to break out of this mold is Duncan, and this makes sense as he is the bright spot in Paul's life. Everyone else is mostly muted and stoic. Paul's intuition of their impending doom looms over and colors everything, which is great for Paul's story ... but I wonder if there is going to be anything to tell here OTHER than Paul's story at the end of the day.

We get to see Paul's dreams and visions directly. We experience his time-skips when he is manipulated. We feel his dread for his family, and his apprehension at his future. And we feel his self-loathing, both at what he is and at what he is going to do. We don't get this for anyone else. Paul's parents TELL what they have hoped and dreamed, but only in relation to Paul own feelings. When Paul uses the voice on others, or others use it on people not-Paul, there is no missing time. There are moments where people interact without any relation to Paul, like when Gurney and Leto are surveying the city, but these are only used as info dumps. The motivations of some are made clear by their words and deeds, but that is all we ever get, we never get to FEEL other characters like we feel Paul. Yueh's actions obviously have a lot of different conflicting motivations behind them, but we never get to experience that conflict. He stoically and matter-of-factly tends to the Atreides, until he stoically and matter-of-factly betrays them, and then stoically and matter-of-factly gets killed. And what of Thufir? He obviously feels some warmth for Paul and feels like a failure because of the assassination attempt, but what about non-Paul related stuff? What does he think of the Atreides plan? Where the heck was he when the poo poo hit the fan? Did Yueh kill him? Did he commit suicide because of his epic failure? And then Gurney - he seems to have a kind of warrior priest or knight templar thing going on in this movie. Let me get into some of that. What are his thoughts/feelings on allying with the Fremen? Seems like they would have a lot in common. I like the one great outburst we get from him, on the brutality of the Harkonnen, but it is the only such one in the whole movie, and AGAIN it is directed at Paul. When he actually sees the Harkonnen coming to wipe out the Atreides, he is back to the stoic warrior priest, murmuring "God in heaven", and running into the fray. This has to be an absolutely apocalyptic moment for him, but he smothers it and goes on with his duty. Why go this route? Let me feel his rage, despair, crisis of faith, something!

The motivation of the antagonists are also a bit murky. I didn't catch much of any personal rivalry between Atreides and Harkonnen. The Baron mostly seemed miffed at temporarily losing his cash cow (MY Arrakis). His personal executions feel perfunctory, by the numbers. Join your wife. We've had blood feud for centuries but your line ends here. That's the extent of it, all in a monotone that seems like he barely cares about what is going on. I'll grant that that adds a certain chill to the Baron's character that could be interesting to explore, but still there is a feeling of seeing his character from a distance. We don't really get to know what is driving him, if anything (other than gluttony). Maybe that will be the point? That such high power leads to a kind of power-for-its-own-sake brand of nihilism? Again, could be an interesting direction to explore, but this movie doesn't seem to have any interest in going there. This is the pattern, over and over again. The only one worth exploring in any depth is Paul.

I think I could be more down with an opaque and grungy tale of political intrigue and revolution if it weren't for the fact that Paul's journey is so clear and sharply defined. If you are going to tell a story of power, revolution, sociology and ecology, why are you telling it ONLY through the lens of the person forcing the change? I want to believe that this is all a setup for a great shakeup in the next movie, where we get to see the galaxy from others' perspectives, maybe feel Paul's use of the voice on them or see their dreams as they are realized or destroyed by the galactic holy war. If such a turn comes I'll be ready to do a full 180 on this movie. But if it doesn't, this all plays to me like a powerful person's heroic fantasy. What if I could use my power to actually be the hero the world needs? What if I had a great injustice I could avenge at the same time? This feels like a waste of a great setting if we don't also add the question: how does everyone else feel about this? Without that, it reads like Watchmen told only through the eyes of Ozymandias.

Don't have anything to add at the moment, but thanks for the Good Post. Worth a million boring takes on the Laser Guns.

Mat Cauthon
Jan 2, 2006

The more tragic things get,
the more I feel like laughing.



banned from Starbucks posted:

Couple things im curious about ..are we still spoiling stuff? The Duke complains that the equipment the Harkonnens left them is trash but in the prologue part their spice collecting machines look totally different than the jawa sandcrawler things the Ateides use once they get there. Also Khal Drogo flys around in some stealth fighter looking thing on Calaban but on Arrakis they only use the dragonfly things which I think you see in the prologue as well. Are they just completely using old Harkonnen stuff? Did they just not bring any of their superior air power stuff Poe Dameron talks about at home?

The Harkonnens were there for nearly a century, raking in the cash, and the spice machines we see at the start are way fancier looking. I think the they took their ball home and left whatever archaic desert specific equipment was around for the Atreides to struggle with, just to make it even harder for them to succeed.

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Grandpa Palpatine
Dec 13, 2019

by vyelkin
At what point does the Baron rape Mohiam? Because I hope that doesn't make the movie.

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