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For some reason, the same night that it was announced he'd be working with Frank Miller on DK3, I decided I wanted to talk to Azzarello about Wonder Woman at the hotel bar. He said they were pretty much entirely hands off, and that he could have done more with the New Gods, but he wanted to keep things focused on the gods of the Greek variety. He described his involvement with Future State as "Don't take a call from Dan Didio at 3:00 AM."
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For WW adjacent stuff you could find on the shelf right now, I really liked Vita Ayala's first issue of Nubia & the Amazons.
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Nov 2, 2021 18:49
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There was a WW story from a few years back that's out of continuity that I really liked. Post apocalyptic times, and Wonder Woman is just woken up from a cryo-sleep tube by some scavengers. She wakes to a world overrun by Carpenter-esque, "thing"-like monsters. Can't remember the title, but I thought there were some really great Diana moments. Completely different subject, and probably not a small question, but a thought just entered my head earlier and I cannot get rid of it. Action Comics #1, the first appearance of Superman is (still?) the most expensive comic you could buy/own as a collector. First appearance of Batman, Spider-man, Hulk, etc, all also generally get top dollar. I understand that comics from that era are rare, now, and that bestows a certain level of value to them. Sure. But why are first appearances so collectable? Along those same lines, why is a rookie card for sports stars so desirable? What is it about first comic appearances that carry so much weight, when pretty often, it's not a great version of that character? Maybe this is obvious to other people, but something about it just gives me pause.
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Nov 3, 2021 22:46
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First/rookie used to not have large print runs because nobody knew they would be any good.
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Nov 3, 2021 23:23
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CzarChasm posted:There was a WW story from a few years back that's out of continuity that I really liked. Post apocalyptic times, and Wonder Woman is just woken up from a cryo-sleep tube by some scavengers. She wakes to a world overrun by Carpenter-esque, "thing"-like monsters. Can't remember the title, but I thought there were some really great Diana moments. This was “Dead Earth”, by Daniel Warren Johnson. I bought it entirely for his artwork. I don’t subscribe to anything DC, and never read a Wonder Woman solo series before, but got this one because it looked amazing.
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Nov 3, 2021 23:49
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DWJ drew the hell out of that comic. 
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Nov 3, 2021 23:56
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CzarChasm posted:There was a WW story from a few years back that's out of continuity that I really liked. Post apocalyptic times, and Wonder Woman is just woken up from a cryo-sleep tube by some scavengers. She wakes to a world overrun by Carpenter-esque, "thing"-like monsters. Can't remember the title, but I thought there were some really great Diana moments. Because they are rare and people want them.
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Nov 3, 2021 23:56
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IUG posted:This was “Dead Earth”, by Daniel Warren Johnson. 
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Nov 4, 2021 02:48
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The guy wrote the incredible Murder Falcon right before WW:DE, so that thing didn’t even make me blink. (Read Murder Falcon, everyone. It’s only 6 issues. )
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Nov 4, 2021 02:54
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FilthyImp posted:This was the one where SPOILERSSSS The Amazons get gassed to death and Superman failed to stop it so Diana pulls out his spine and at the end of the series she's using the indestructible Superspine as a mace right because IIRC, it's a little different than that A poison gas is turning people into horrible monsters. It might have started on Themyscara. Diana goes to fight the monsters. The world Government want to use nukes to stop the gas threat. Superman can't or won't stop the nukes. WW goes super saiyan because her bracelets get taken off or destroyed and she punches a hole into superman's chest, killing him. This is the part where she gets put to sleep by Bruce, just before he dies. And because of the rage, Diana doesn't remember what happened or how she got there. After regaining her strength, she goes to the fortress where Superman died, realizes she killed him, and she then rips out his spine and skull like a Mortal Kombat fatality, and lashes it together using the lasso of truth, making the most metal weapon I've seen in a comic in quite a while. It's a wonder woman story by way of Nathan Explosion.
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Nov 4, 2021 03:53
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CzarChasm posted:It's a wonder woman story by way of Nathan Explosion. I remember it not getting too much traction, but I felt like it was wedged somewhere between DCeased and the Last Knight Batman story. Just a whole lot of burnout for dark and post-apoc poo poo.
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Nov 4, 2021 04:12
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FilthyImp posted:Just a whole lot of burnout for dark and post-apoc poo poo. Does someone at DC have a thing for dark post-apoc/grim-dark future/heroes turn evil stories? It seems like DC does this stuff way more than Marvel. Like didn't the DTV animated universe end with a dark apocalyptic story where the heroes lose so bad Flash has to reboot the universe...again?
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Nov 4, 2021 04:52
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MH Knights posted:Does someone at DC have a thing for dark post-apoc/grim-dark future/heroes turn evil stories? Honestly I think part of it is the DNA left over from Crisis on Infinite Earths.
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Nov 4, 2021 05:18
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CzarChasm posted:IIRC, it's a little different than that A poison gas is turning people into horrible monsters. It might have started on Themyscara. Diana goes to fight the monsters. The world Government want to use nukes to stop the gas threat. Superman can't or won't stop the nukes. WW goes super saiyan because her bracelets get taken off or destroyed and she punches a hole into superman's chest, killing him. This is the part where she gets put to sleep by Bruce, just before he dies. And because of the rage, Diana doesn't remember what happened or how she got there. After regaining her strength, she goes to the fortress where Superman died, realizes she killed him, and she then rips out his spine and skull like a Mortal Kombat fatality, and lashes it together using the lasso of truth, making the most metal weapon I've seen in a comic in quite a while. It's a wonder woman story by way of Nathan Explosion. Isn't it that The nukes don't work/get stopped, but WW and Superman fighting across the world kicks up Nuclear winter and that's what actually causes the apocalypse?
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Nov 4, 2021 05:20
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MH Knights posted:Does someone at DC have a thing for dark post-apoc/grim-dark future/heroes turn evil stories? It seems like DC does this stuff way more than Marvel. Like didn't the DTV animated universe end with a dark apocalyptic story where the heroes lose so bad Flash has to reboot the universe...again?
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Nov 4, 2021 10:33
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MH Knights posted:Does someone at DC have a thing for dark post-apoc/grim-dark future/heroes turn evil stories? Isn’t the label that it came out on literally called “DC Black”?
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Nov 4, 2021 12:24
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MH Knights posted:Does someone at DC have a thing for dark post-apoc/grim-dark future/heroes turn evil stories? It seems like DC does this stuff way more than Marvel. Like didn't the DTV animated universe end with a dark apocalyptic story where the heroes lose so bad Flash has to reboot the universe...again? DC has spent 50 years reacting to the silver age and trying to prove that their stories about a man who dresses like a bat are very serious.
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Nov 4, 2021 13:25
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I feel like it's less Crisis on Infinite Earths specifically and that DC has had baked into its comics for the majority of its run (going back to the 1950s) alternate Earths, "imaginary stories", Elseworlds, Futures End, Future State, etc. etc. Not to say Marvel and pop culture in general hasn't caught up in terms of sheer volume (Days of Future Past just turned 40 a few weeks ago!), but Silver Age DC was chock full of them, and it was sort of cemented into "a way to tell Important Stories" in the mid-1980s, but less with Crisis and more with Batman: The Dark Knight Returns. The fact that they've been trying to directly or indirectly recreate that for 35 years with generally diminishing returns doesn't seem to bother anyone, especially since a lot of those stories do pretty well sales-wise. IUG posted:Isn’t the label that it came out on literally called “DC Black”? Retroactively they're shoving anything from their old dead imprints into "Black Label", everything from dystopian futures (DMZ, V for Vendetta) to generally dark superhero fare (Arkham Asylum, the Longbow Hunters) to like... New Frontier, All-Star Superman, Ex Machina, Watchmen, Daytripper, any any other old Vertigo books worth keeping in print like Preacher, Swamp Thing, Hellblazer, etc.
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Nov 4, 2021 14:03
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Edge & Christian posted:Daytripper This one makes me sad for some reason.
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Nov 4, 2021 15:35
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If I got the first two of those big Sandman omnibuses and they have Vertigo on the spine, will the third one have Black Label on it instead if I buy if new? I don’t care about publisher imprint loyalty, but non-matching spines upset me.
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Nov 5, 2021 01:39
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:If I got the first two of those big Sandman omnibuses and they have Vertigo on the spine, will the third one have Black Label on it instead if I buy if new? I don’t care about publisher imprint loyalty, but non-matching spines upset me. The version of Sandman omni 3 I saw at my LCS still had the Vertigo logo on the spine, for what it's worth.
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Nov 5, 2021 02:46
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Edit: Wrong thread, sorry!
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Nov 5, 2021 04:34
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All this talk of "dark and gritty" comics. has there ever been a What If..? or an Elseworld which has shown a Utopian/perfect world?
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Nov 7, 2021 13:06
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bessantj posted:All this talk of "dark and gritty" comics. has there ever been a What If..? or an Elseworld which has shown a Utopian/perfect world? Utopias don't have conflict so they make for lousy stories. Even Thomas More's was just a long essay.
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Nov 7, 2021 13:23
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Random Stranger posted:Utopias don't have conflict so they make for lousy stories. Even Thomas More's was just a long essay. Yeah, I wouldn't want a series of it, I was more thinking a short What If..? or something like that. Have Galactus come to Earth to distribute presents because Reed designed a machine which means he can feed without destroying planets. Doc Ock a celebrated children's science teacher etc...
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Nov 7, 2021 13:30
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Random Stranger posted:Utopias don't have conflict so they make for lousy stories. Even Thomas More's was just a long essay. What if the 616 became a utopia... After Spider-Man died
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site posted:What if the 616 became a utopia... After Spider-Man died Writer: J. Jonah Jameson Penciler: J. Jonah Jameson Inker: J. Jonah Jameson Colorist: J. Jonah Jameson Letterer: Robbie Robertson Editor: J. Jonah Jameson Editor in Chief: J. Jonah Jameson
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bessantj posted:All this talk of "dark and gritty" comics. has there ever been a What If..? or an Elseworld which has shown a Utopian/perfect world? Multiversity's The Just was pretty cushy for the planet but the superbrats were just listless and without purpose. And Red Son arguably ushers in a utopia with help of the Brainiacs but, yeah... VvV Good point. There's never been a Star Trek: San Francisco because all our problems on earth are solved and life is boring. All the hosed up people go to space for excitement FilthyImp fucked around with this message at 19:44 on Nov 7, 2021 |
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Nov 7, 2021 19:06
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Utopian settings are pointless if you want to tell a story, because there’s no possibility for conflict if they’re truly utopian. Attempts at utopia that fall apart or don’t work right are about as close as you can get. Miracleman probably would have ended up there if the publisher hadn’t gone out of business or if Marvel had paid Gaiman the right amount to finish it.
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Nov 7, 2021 19:34
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JordanKai posted:DWJ drew the hell out of that comic. he also did a Beta Ray Bill miniseries for Marvel earlier this year, just gorgeous stuff
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Nov 7, 2021 20:47
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Nowhere can be a true utopia. That's why they're called utopias.
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Nov 7, 2021 21:30
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Agent Smith was right. Humans are unwilling to accept utopia even in fiction because they crave violence
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Nov 7, 2021 23:35
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You usually only see a utopia once the plot is over like with the end of Red Son.
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Nov 8, 2021 00:04
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It's been awhile, but I believe that a big chunk of Fabian Nicieza's Cable and Deadpool involves Cable building a utopia and other people coming in and ruining it.
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Nov 8, 2021 00:27
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Cable fighting in his utopia sounds like a great utopia for Cable.
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Nov 8, 2021 02:37
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How Wonderful! posted:It's been awhile, but I believe that a big chunk of Fabian Nicieza's Cable and Deadpool involves Cable building a utopia and other people coming in and ruining it. I remember there being a great scene with him and Fury where Cable says something to the effect of "You're telling them all you have to stop me because you're afraid I'm lying and have some terrible ulterior motive. But I can read your mind, and I know the truth: You have to stop me because you're afraid I'm not."
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:Utopian settings are pointless if you want to tell a story, because there’s no possibility for conflict if they’re truly utopian. Attempts at utopia that fall apart or don’t work right are about as close as you can get. Miracleman probably would have ended up there if the publisher hadn’t gone out of business or if Marvel had paid Gaiman the right amount to finish it. I don't buy that all interesting stories have to revolve around conflict (or that utopias are necessarily conflict-free, depending on how broadly you define "conflict"), but stories based around conflict, especially violent conflict, are probably easier pitches at the Big Two.
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Nov 8, 2021 03:50
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site posted:Agent Smith was right. Humans are unwilling to accept utopia even in fiction because they crave violence That’s ridiculous. I crave chicken nuggets, not violence
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thetoughestbean posted:That’s ridiculous. I crave chicken nuggets, not violence  Humans cannot accept Utopia because all they crave is violence to the chicken
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