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PeterWeller posted:Paul foresees the birth of Leto II. He does not foresee that Leto II will have a twin sister. Wrong, exact opposite
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It's not much, but GEoD describes the Navigators as using 'linear prescience'. Paul and Leto's prescience shows them multiple branching futures, so that might help explain why the Guild never used their foresight as effectively.
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Nov 8, 2021 22:31
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Isn't it allso because prescient people can't see the future of other prescients once these last ones get turbo high? Like how Leto II couldn't see Siona after the point when she had to take the spice from his flap-water? Or am I misremembering? Also, saw the movie. DUNC good. Wish we had more time with Yueh, since in the books his betrayal is really heartbreaking, especially what with his relationship to Jessica and Paul. Wish we had more Piter as well. I like Dastmalchian and I think he woul've made the part really fun.
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Nov 8, 2021 22:41
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Vincent posted:Isn't it allso because prescient people can't see the future of other prescients once these last ones get turbo high? Like how Leto II couldn't see Siona after the point when she had to take the spice from his flap-water? Or am I misremembering? Siona had prescience shielding genes. That was Leto II’s end goal, to make someone immune or outside of it, and then get them to pass those genes.
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Nov 8, 2021 22:47
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Lol flap-water
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Cerv posted:and why not A young Silvio Berlusconi puts down his translated paperback copy of Dune Messiah, inspired
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Nov 8, 2021 23:12
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In dune messiah theres a dwarf named bijaz. A character uses super ninja voice inflection to tell an 80 year old woman shes not a sex object. The bene gesserit try to make paul and his sister gently caress.
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porfiria posted:In dune messiah theres a dwarf named bijaz. A character uses super ninja voice inflection to tell an 80 year old woman shes not a sex object. The bene gesserit try to make paul and his sister gently caress. Sold in the first sentence dude, you can stop selling
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Failed Imagineer posted:Sold in the first sentence dude, you can stop selling You're in for a wild ride. That is mostly talking. But wild! tbh Children of Dune is the more filmable of the sequel books. It has Leto II hulking out and clowning on people with his total precognition and sandtrout skin at 500 km/h as a huge payoff. Most of Paul's limitations were a result of his internal resistance to the Golden Path and Leto II choses to embrace it because he's already a monster. To be the Messiah is to be born a monster. You could turn aside from it, but being born this thing, your love for humanity is greater than your love for being human. Hodgepodge fucked around with this message at 00:11 on Nov 9, 2021 |
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Nov 9, 2021 00:05
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I gotta read these fuckin’ books.
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Does this ever get answered in the books?ruddiger posted:Do the books ever reveal what formed the hand of god formation on the larger moon? I’m assuming it’s from when whatever space god squatted over arakkis to poo poo space worms all over it and gripped the moon for balance.
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Nov 9, 2021 00:34
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:Paul could make rather astute guesses at where Edric had been, I believe, because people (I suppose Irulan?) would sometimes vanish - which is why he knew of the conspiracy and even that it was Irulan who'd poisoned Chani. I think it was precisely because his second son was born a full KH, immune to his prescience, while his first was not.
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Nov 9, 2021 00:40
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ruddiger posted:Does this ever get answered in the books? I assume it's the same thing that formed visible shapes on Earth's moon, which is volcanic eruptions.
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Do they say how the Harks get Dr Yuehs wife in the book? Do they snatch her from the Ateides compound or is she off on some other world?
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Might have missed something but in DUNC are the highliners acting more like tunnels instead of transports?
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In 60s and 70s SF there were a lot of SF authors debuting their really weird fetishes in print. Herbert wasn't the worst by a long shot; I think most of the sex in the Dune series is consensual...ish. Still, he does win the cover art prize.
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Tirranek posted:Might have missed something but in DUNC are the highliners acting more like tunnels instead of transports? I always got the impression that the heighliners weren't stationary, that they still moved to various major planets/trade hubs/whatever from which they fold space to get a ton of ships somewhere further out. So showing them as more of a tunnel here seems to let them do that in a sensible way. I always thought you not being allowed to know who else is going through with you was sort of stupid. Like IIRC in the book they mention the Harkonnen/Sardaukar troops flying in on the same heighliner all the Atreides folks are and it's like, no one saw a whole fuckton of Harkonnen ships streaming out on the heighliner's Arrakis stop? Them moving around themselves makes more sense to be to pull off stuff like that.
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ruddiger posted:Does this ever get answered in the books? I don't even remember the formation being mentioned in the book at all, although it probably was. But no, I don't think it was addressed for the same reasons they don't provide the background for why stilgar was named that or what mechanism causes the whites of your eyes to turn blue after enough spice exposure.
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A Buffer Gay Dude posted:Wrong, exact opposite Oh, poo poo yeah. My bad. A Buffer Gay Dude posted:Siona had prescience shielding genes. That was Leto II’s end goal, to make someone immune or outside of it, and then get them to pass those genes. Yeah, this is why he starts getting really worried about her when they're in his desert.
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Whether heighliners Act as star gates or as teleporting shipping containers really doesn’t matter. The main reason for the change is just so that audiences who read the books or or familiar with the previous adaptations would perk up while watching the new one
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Steve Yun posted:Whether heighliners Act as star gates or as teleporting shipping containers really doesn’t matter. The main reason for the change is just so that audiences who read the books or or familiar with the previous adaptations would perk up while watching the new one I also think part of it is the heighliner boarding/folding space part of the Lynch movie legit absolutely fuckin' rules so by doing it this way they avoid any comparison to it completely, though it was still cowardly to not actually show a navigator's face.
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It occurred to me that it’s hard to imagine how highliners struggled before navigators and spice. The book says that one in 10 space folds would fail and be lost. How does that happen when Highliners act as Stargates?
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Steve Yun posted:Whether heighliners Act as star gates or as teleporting shipping containers really doesn’t matter. The main reason for the change is just so that audiences who read the books or or familiar with the previous adaptations would perk up while watching the new one Also it's good to keep in mind that we're guessing based off of a really small amount of data from the film. We have the books, but those may or may not be used as a basis for the movie going forward. And we have the small number of shots of the highliners*, some of which show a weird view of a different kind/part of space in(?) the ship. We then posited that it was some kind of portal similar to a Stargate or something, cause that's a thing we're familiar with in another piece of fiction and jives with the idea of folding space. But for all we know that could just be what it looks like when you fold space and it creates weird optical illusions. Or space gets "folded" through another chunk of space that's neither the origin or the destination. Or that's Steve the Trainee Navigator's pet solar system or something. Like, to me, personally, the jump-gate thing seems most likely to be what they're going for, but we shouldn't start pretending that we aren't just making our best guesses (for fun because the movie owns and it's enjoyable to discuss it). Even if someone stole Villeneuve's diary where he outlines his whole spiel about how they work, we wouldn't actually know because he could change it and make that explicit in a later movie. (Assuming we care about the creator's opinions, death of the author, etc.) *That, unless I'm mistaken, we're just kind of assuming that's what they are : I don't remember a scene where someone points at one and goes, "Why yes, this is a highliner. Look at it lining highly." It's a very reasonable inference to make and it'd be weird if it wasn't true, but we're still reading between the lines even if they're pretty legible ones.
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Have you considered that the blue object visible inside the DUNC liner shot is actually just a muted spicy navigator hot tub? Some say it symbolizes their iris looking out at the infinite universe while others maintain it stands for the gigantic blue balls the Guild has.
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Steve Yun posted:It occurred to me that it’s hard to imagine how highliners struggled before navigators and spice. The book says that one in 10 space folds would fail and be lost. How does that happen when Highliners act as Stargates? Critical Existence Failure
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Neo Rasa posted:I also think part of it is the heighliner boarding/folding space part of the Lynch movie legit absolutely fuckin' rules so by doing it this way they avoid any comparison to it completely, though it was still cowardly to not actually show a navigator's face. 
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Hodgepodge posted:You're in for a wild ride. That is mostly talking. But wild! I do want to see how they handle the sandtrout stuff. Like we want to talk something that's hard to visualize without looking ridiculous but is also absolutely necessary to what happens later...
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Just have him look like Psycho Goreman after they merge with his skin problem solved.
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the golden path is lined with hunky boys
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Maxwell Lord posted:I do want to see how they handle the sandtrout stuff. Like we want to talk something that's hard to visualize without looking ridiculous but is also absolutely necessary to what happens later... It's ultimately body horror + superpowers + vocel pride; they'd work something out.
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PeterWeller posted:Paul foresees the birth of Leto II. He does not foresee that Leto II will have a twin sister. Dune Messiah posted:Two children, Paul thought wonderingly. The vision had contained only a daughter. Jo Joestar posted:It's not much, but GEoD describes the Navigators as using 'linear prescience'. Paul and Leto's prescience shows them multiple branching futures, so that might help explain why the Guild never used their foresight as effectively. It's pretty clear that the Bene Gesserit was breeding the Kwizats Hadarach because of the unique ability of that person to see all of the futures, since one of the things they wanted was to avoid the stagnation of humanity - Leto II as GEoD hints at this when talking about why he took the breeding program from them. Vincent posted:Isn't it allso because prescient people can't see the future of other prescients once these last ones get turbo high? Like how Leto II couldn't see Siona after the point when she had to take the spice from his flap-water? Or am I misremembering? Only once is there any indication that she experiences prescience, which is when s he sees the possible future that the golden path is meant to guard against. Hodgepodge posted:I think it was precisely because his second son was born a full KH, immune to his prescience, while his first was not. Doesn't explain why his first son wouldn't be a full Kwizats Hadarach, though. BlankSystemDaemon fucked around with this message at 11:51 on Nov 9, 2021 |
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Do the books go more into Duncan and Gurney's relationship? In the movie at least, I was sure they were a couple.
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bushisms.txt posted:Do the books go more into Duncan and Gurney's relationship? In the movie at least, I was sure they were a couple. Interesting, do they even interact in the movie?
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bushisms.txt posted:Do the books go more into Duncan and Gurney's relationship? In the movie at least, I was sure they were a couple. They kind of have a special bond over being two of the people with the most intense hatred of the Harkonnens in the universe, but beyond that I don't remember them having much of a vibe goin on
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Duncan is basically the younger new model of Gurney. They're both the Duke's most badass fighters (though IIRC in the book it's said Gurney cam still defeat Duncan consitently when they train?) and greatest haters of Harkonnens. I actually found it weird how little they interact at all considering that.
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Movie stuff: I got the impression that they made Gurney more of a poet than a bard/singer. When they arrive in Dune, he's reading a little book and then recites a stanza, instead of singing. The same on the tactical meeting attended by Paul after the hunter-seeker. I know Paul says to him "sing us a song, old man" in the training scene, but that's all. No baliset, or anything.
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Vincent posted:Movie stuff: I got the impression that they made Gurney more of a poet than a bard/singer. When they arrive in Dune, he's reading a little book and then recites a stanza, instead of singing. The same on the tactical meeting attended by Paul after the hunter-seeker. They filmed the baliset stuff and cut it apparently
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:Well, Paul himself wasn't a full Kwizats Hadarach either - he was born a generation too early. He was trained as a mentat because Leto thought it would be a pretty neat idea to have a mentat Duke, which might have helped him achieve some of the abilities of the full Kwizats Hadarach.
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Neo Rasa posted:I also think part of it is the heighliner boarding/folding space part of the Lynch movie legit absolutely fuckin' rules so by doing it this way they avoid any comparison to it completely, though it was still cowardly to not actually show a navigator's face.
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