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Nov 10, 2021 06:24
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Torquemada posted:That’s the Orange Catholic Bible mentioned extensively in the novel, he quotes from it regularly. Ya, Gurney seems like the spiritual core of the Atreides in this iteration. This could be him just being poetic:  "My lungs taste the air of Time, Blown past falling sand ..." Could be a line out of Led Zeppelin's Kashmir. But this feels way more biblical:  "They shall suck of the abundance of the seas, and the treasure hid in the sand." And then we also have a shot of worshipers using little books similar to Gurney's:  It's a neat direction to go, and I hope it comes to something in the following movie. He bumps hard off of Stilgar when they first meet, but he seems like the kind of guy that would be downright fanatical once "converted". Or ... that would actually try to take Paul down if he thought he'd fallen too far to be saved.
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Nov 10, 2021 07:08
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This just lines up perfectly, including the bowl dipping sound in the original song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fT0liQFO6oQ
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Nov 10, 2021 07:21
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That is loving art.
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Nov 10, 2021 07:49
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I love these dune memes
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Nov 10, 2021 09:49
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Ok, I learned in this thread the Fremen are bribing the guild to keep satellites from spying on them. Why wouldn't the guild spy on them themselves, given that the planet is the source of their power? I'd keep an eye on it at all times. I would imagine they wouldn't take well to showing up one day and going, "Oh, look, a cool terraforming project, huh."
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Nov 10, 2021 10:22
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https://twitter.com/bonerwizard/status/1458303484508340225?s=21
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Nov 10, 2021 10:35
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Georgia Peach posted:Ok, I learned in this thread the Fremen are bribing the guild to keep satellites from spying on them. Why wouldn't the guild spy on them themselves, given that the planet is the source of their power? I'd keep an eye on it at all times. I would imagine they wouldn't take well to showing up one day and going, "Oh, look, a cool terraforming project, huh." This is explicitly explained in the book appendix so: the Guild use their limited prescience to look at Arrakis but everything they see tells them that taking any action at all there causes a nexus of uncertain events, most of which lead to spice production ending. This terrifies them so they don't do anything.
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Nov 10, 2021 10:45
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Alchenar posted:This is explicitly explained in the book appendix so: the Guild use their limited prescience to look at Arrakis but everything they see tells them that taking any action at all there causes a nexus of uncertain events, most of which lead to spice production ending. This terrifies them so they don't do anything. If that's the case, isn't transporting massive armies to Arrakis taking action? Why not just tell Emperor Paddy to chill out with the schemes and just keep the spice coming? Maybe I should just read the book.
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Nov 10, 2021 10:55
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Georgia Peach posted:If that's the case, isn't transporting massive armies to Arrakis taking action? Why not just tell Emperor Paddy to chill out with the schemes and just keep the spice coming? Maybe I should just read the book. You can't just hide your anti-Irish racism in spoilers  It's a good book tho
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Nov 10, 2021 11:02
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Georgia Peach posted:If that's the case, isn't transporting massive armies to Arrakis taking action? Why not just tell Emperor Paddy to chill out with the schemes and just keep the spice coming? Maybe I should just read the book. There's another appendix to the book written as a post-hoc investigative report where Herbert does a tongue-in-cheek acknowledgment of a bunch of stuff that doesn't quite make sense in the story (or rather, where you just have to accept that things go one way and not another) with 'it's all a greater conspiracy!'
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Nov 10, 2021 11:10
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I liked the bagpipes. It spoke to my Scot DNA.
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Nov 10, 2021 11:33
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I liked em too, it was cool to hear something besides Amazing Grace or Scotland the Brave on bagpipes.
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Nov 10, 2021 11:52
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The book starts out pretty good, but after my second read through noticed a massive drop in quality in the writing after Paul drinks the water of life. The entire ending is hurried, overstated and clumsy, even barely comprehensible in places.
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Nov 10, 2021 11:56
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Or it's diegetic to Paul doing massive quantities of psychotropics.
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Nov 10, 2021 12:24
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It does get a little choppy especially with how the Fremen go from being damned good fighters to like "a small regiment of Sardaukar tried to take whatever sietch but a handful of Fremen children turbo-murdered 300 of them with no losses and took a 40 of them prisoner" and stuff. Will they show the Fremen war drums made from the skins of Harkonnens?
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Nov 10, 2021 14:59
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Georgia Peach posted:Ok, I learned in this thread the Fremen are bribing the guild to keep satellites from spying on them. Why wouldn't the guild spy on them themselves, given that the planet is the source of their power? I'd keep an eye on it at all times. I would imagine they wouldn't take well to showing up one day and going, "Oh, look, a cool terraforming project, huh." I feel like the actual answer is "satellites had been invented when dune was written but not enough anyone was thinking about them in terms modern audiences do"
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Nov 10, 2021 15:47
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:I feel like the actual answer is "satellites had been invented when dune was written but not enough anyone was thinking about them in terms modern audiences do" Yea I'm reminded of a movie like Enemy of the State where the big thing was "oh poo poo, you mean there are satellites that the government can use to spy on our every move?!?!?", and of course satellites had been a thing for 30+ years at that point but people didn't really think about their capabilities and the potential of what they could do.
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Nov 10, 2021 15:50
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Torquemada posted:The book starts out pretty good, but after my second read through noticed a massive drop in quality in the writing after Paul drinks the water of life. The entire ending is hurried, overstated and clumsy, even barely comprehensible in places. I mean it's kind of hard to show a two year guerilla war that results in the emperor showing up just in time to lose the last city on Arrakis. This is why it was just a montage in the Lynch film.
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Nov 10, 2021 16:48
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Lynch's version kind of mirror's the end of the book... you can almost hear Lynch himself saying "And so on and so on and so on, you get it, we all get it" to the montage of Fremen armies doing Fremen poo poo.
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Nov 10, 2021 20:07
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Basebf555 posted:Yea I'm reminded of a movie like Enemy of the State where the big thing was "oh poo poo, you mean there are satellites that the government can use to spy on our every move?!?!?", and of course satellites had been a thing for 30+ years at that point but people didn't really think about their capabilities and the potential of what they could do. In fairness, the capabilities of satellites as depicted in that movie are physically impossible.
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Nov 10, 2021 23:34
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bro there's tictacs flying through international space, anything's possible
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Nov 10, 2021 23:39
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Eason the Fifth posted:bro there's tictacs flying through international space, anything's possible You can't get around, eg, minimum sizes of lenses
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Nov 11, 2021 00:22
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Captain von Trapp posted:In fairness, the capabilities of satellites as depicted in that movie are physically impossible. 
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Nov 11, 2021 00:44
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After letting it simmer since dropping and rewatching a few others, I’m pretty set on this being my least favorite Villenueve film. Somehow it’s the blandest thing he’s made. It doesn’t help that I watched The Green Knight soon after which is mesmerizing in comparison.
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Nov 11, 2021 00:53
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I actually blame Enemy of the State for a lot of the insane paranoia I've seen in regards to government technological capability
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Nov 11, 2021 00:54
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Torquemada posted:The book starts out pretty good, but after my second read through noticed a massive drop in quality in the writing after Paul drinks the water of life. The entire ending is hurried, overstated and clumsy, even barely comprehensible in places. You get the impression Frank was getting tired of writing the serial by that point and just wanted it done. He may also have been doing more drugs.
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Nov 11, 2021 01:29
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Theres an entire act full of swerves and character deaths cramped into the last chapter alone. The book easily needed another 100 pages.
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Nov 11, 2021 02:54
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Inspector Gesicht posted:Theres an entire act full of swerves and character deaths cramped into the last chapter alone. The book easily needed another 100 pages. I think it is a right of passage to experience the whiplash of "Wait, what? That's it?" on how abrupt the ending is. At least it doesn't NEED another 150 pages like most Neil Stephenson books though. That's an author that you can tell is just like 'gently caress this, I am done" only 80% into most of his stuff.
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Nov 11, 2021 03:42
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ALFbrot posted:I actually blame Enemy of the State for a lot of the insane paranoia I've seen in regards to government technological capability and then the orange man tweeted a photo that was supposed to be impossible so 
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Nov 11, 2021 03:56
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jeeves posted:At least it doesn't NEED another 150 pages like most Neil Stephenson books though. That's an author that you can tell is just like 'gently caress this, I am done" only 80% into most of his stuff. Oh man, I just finished "Fall: or Dodge in Hell" and was tremendously irritated at the whole thing. I've read eight of his previous novels and liked every one of them, even if the endings tend to fall apart a bit on some of them. Fall was terrible from start to finish. Among other structural and plotting problems, early in the book (not even at the end!) there's an embedded hundred-fifty-page political satire subplot that not only flatly contradicts the rest of the setting, it literally does not affect any of the subsequent plot in the slightest and is never mentioned again.
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Nov 11, 2021 04:21
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 This is turgid as hell, I basically ended up skimming the rest because it was so bad. Maybe another few hundred pages could have saved it, because the pace is certainly off relative to the rest of the book.
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Nov 11, 2021 08:27
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Once Paul embraces his role, the tone and pacing shift drastically all the way through Dune Messiah. It starts jumping around in kind of confusing ways, but I think this is used to emphasize that Paul is now losing himself to the current of this action hero narrative. We're kinda thinking "wait, they're suddenly blowing up the wall... He's already emperor wtf?" And then there's an even more massive skip throwing you into the deep end in Messiah. It worked really well for me when they finally do the big rug-pull moment in Messiah where Paul explains very literally that he has become Worse Than Hitler by a huge margin. And it's not that you can't see any reveal like that coming at all, I just thought it was a fun way to play with our desire to see the hero story go well while leaving so much unsaid that we start gradually getting less comfortable with what's going on. I dunno I don't find that excerpt to be particularly bad, but I do remember feeling that things were suddenly changing in very odd ways at that point in the book. Martman fucked around with this message at 17:39 on Nov 11, 2021 |
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Nov 11, 2021 09:35
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Maud’ Dib is my favorite invader Zim character
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Nov 11, 2021 10:10
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I really like how the end of Dune is structured. Paul takes a nice long nap while everything else falls into place and then wakes up to have his climactic showdown. As Martman points out, once Paul gives himself over to his "terrible purpose", it's just a matter of letting all the familiar beats play out.
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Nov 11, 2021 16:13
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Does anyone have any theories what happened to Jamis to make him so grumpy that day?
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Nov 12, 2021 00:05
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He was high and wired. Too much coffee.
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Nov 12, 2021 00:26
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Halloween Jack posted:He was high and wired. Too much coffee. Someone spit in it
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Nov 12, 2021 00:39
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Spice latte
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Nov 12, 2021 01:27
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Bedshaped posted:Does anyone have any theories what happened to Jamis to make him so grumpy that day? Sometimes your stillsuit lets a little of your pee/sweat/jizz into your drinking water
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Nov 12, 2021 01:33
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