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hambeet
Sep 13, 2002

i knew.

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hambeet
Sep 13, 2002

bif, they're guaranteed to vote one of us off now just to stop this

Bifauxnen
Aug 12, 2010

Curses! Foiled again!


hambeet posted:

bif, they're guaranteed to vote one of us off now just to stop this

Yeah that's how it usually goes. I've never known any way to get you lunched besides a thunderdome death pact

hambeet
Sep 13, 2002

cooler minds prevail

or something like that.


also you've gotten me lynched plenty of times.

Bifauxnen
Aug 12, 2010

Curses! Foiled again!


hambeet posted:

cooler minds prevail

or something like that.


also you've gotten me lynched plenty of times.

Yeah after I go freakin nuclear and scream at everyone, I've really been trying to not relive that part of the old days! Only the fun stuff like dunking on Anidav's scum meta

Bifauxnen
Aug 12, 2010

Curses! Foiled again!


Btw I still remember that cool heads prevail thing too, lol

I was mentioning something in some obschat about perceived breadcrumbs gone awry, and thought it would probably take too long to retell that particular story

TammyHEH
Dec 11, 2013

Alfrything is only the ghost of a memory...
Hams scum imo

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

hambeet posted:

man when yami wakes and see's all these posts from bif and i, they gonna be so mad.

Yes.

Also the scumteam are monsters. Actual irl monsters.

Which made me suspect taste u til i realized they flipped too.

Now, who would kill a newbie...

TammyHEH
Dec 11, 2013

Alfrything is only the ghost of a memory...
##vote hambort

hambeet
Sep 13, 2002

et tu tommu

Bifauxnen
Aug 12, 2010

Curses! Foiled again!


Yami Fenrir posted:

Yes.

Also the scumteam are monsters. Actual irl monsters.

Which made me suspect taste u til i realized they flipped too.

Now, who would kill a newbie...

Dude I would not do that to Circl again lmao

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

Bifauxnen posted:

Dude I would not do that to Circl again lmao

I honestly believe this.

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?
Cuz it's honestly the kind of thing that makes a newbie stop playing - it certainly did for me anyway.

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?
Whoever killed circl should feel bad because you are bad, and should just immediately scumclaim to atone for your crimes.

Anyway, I'll actually read stuff when I'm a) awake and b) out of work, I'm just ranting about killing newbies really

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?
Bif if it turned out you lied to me and DID in fact do that to circl we will have SERIOUS words after this game.

Bifauxnen
Aug 12, 2010

Curses! Foiled again!


Yami Fenrir posted:

Whoever killed circl should feel bad because you are bad, and should just immediately scumclaim to atone for your crimes.

Anyway, I'll actually read stuff when I'm a) awake and b) out of work, I'm just ranting about killing newbies really

Realtalk though, somebody always has to die early in Mafia and while I totally agree it's good to give newbies more time so they can actually get used to the game, it's also not very helpful to make people playing badguys in a game of good guys vs badguys feel bad for taking their badguy turn.

I hope any newbies around now or in the future please please please do not take anything to heart if they get ganked early. Imo, to love mafia is to cultivate an enthusiasm for dramatic death and martyrdom.

Yami Fenrir posted:

Bif if it turned out you lied to me and DID in fact do that to circl we will have SERIOUS words after this game.

I did not, but still see above.

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

Bifauxnen posted:

Realtalk though, somebody always has to die early in Mafia and while I totally agree it's good to give newbies more time so they can actually get used to the game, it's also not very helpful to make people playing badguys in a game of good guys vs badguys feel bad for taking their badguy turn.

I hope any newbies around now or in the future please please please do not take anything to heart if they get ganked early. Imo, to love mafia is to cultivate an enthusiasm for dramatic death and martyrdom.

I did not, but still see above.

Sounds like scum apologism to me.

Bifauxnen
Aug 12, 2010

Curses! Foiled again!


Yami Fenrir posted:

Sounds like scum apologism to me.

This is more of a rl meta tangent not related to anyone's alignment rn, just to hoping everyone has a good time in this game of catching liars for fun.

Toalpaz
Mar 20, 2012

Peace through overwhelming determination

Bifauxnen posted:

Dude I would not do that to Circl again lmao

I choose to belieb this.

##vote b-

Toalpaz
Mar 20, 2012

Peace through overwhelming determination

b-minus1 posted:

So yeah I’m good with voting anyone on that rf lunch

b-minus1 posted:

Uh I haven’t made a case

Come on, 'theres gotta be scum on the RF lunch' and 'im NOT CASING anynyan'

Pretty textbook wishy washing on an already weak binus d1.

Toalpaz
Mar 20, 2012

Peace through overwhelming determination
Town b- would have called us scum by now. Let's go!

Toalpaz
Mar 20, 2012

Peace through overwhelming determination
I have very important speculation I need to share with class but can't rn.

Just remind me later + sand should know.

Toalpaz
Mar 20, 2012

Peace through overwhelming determination
Tbh circl is an easy sk kill. I think scum would have come do a different kill.

This also means bif isn't really in tha clear.


Yami Fenrir posted:

Yes.

Also the scumteam are monsters. Actual irl monsters.

Which made me suspect taste u til i realized they flipped too.

Now, who would kill a newbie...

Slip that Yami knows who killed taste, and is sk killing a 'scum claim'.

Probably.

Toalpaz
Mar 20, 2012

Peace through overwhelming determination
The slip is assuming scum team killed circle, which we wouldn't know.

Toalpaz
Mar 20, 2012

Peace through overwhelming determination
If Yami is sk,

Scum team likely Merk, b-, and someone else.

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?
:thunk:

Why do you immediately assume there's an SK toal?

You know, like scum would.

My modbrain says that an SK in a 15 player game is somewhat unlikely.

Toalpaz
Mar 20, 2012

Peace through overwhelming determination
Claim a pro town killing role and sort me out Yami.

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?
Considering how hella awkward Toal was Day 1 and now going straight for 3P spec, I think I will revisit Toal.

For the record, my own thoughts were that adding a Vig when we notably had a Gunsmith and not a Cop made sense.

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?
Sorry to disappoint you toal but I am not any sort of killing role.

Toalpaz
Mar 20, 2012

Peace through overwhelming determination
Yes but you accuse scum team of killing circle. That isn't just 'thinking a vig exists' it implies knowing taste wasn't killed by scum team.

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

Toalpaz posted:

Yes but you accuse scum team of killing circle. That isn't just 'thinking a vig exists' it implies knowing taste wasn't killed by scum team.

Bad faith reading.

Toalpaz
Mar 20, 2012

Peace through overwhelming determination
If town bus driver hosed with me I need a claim stat

Toalpaz
Mar 20, 2012

Peace through overwhelming determination
[quote="CirclMastr" post="519179798"So clearly binus is scum this time.
[/quote]

:cool:

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

Toalpaz posted:

If town bus driver hosed with me I need a claim stat

FWIW I don't think it is.

They messed with a claimed "pro town" power that confirms people.

I wouldn't say your mason thing is, but that's what you claimed at the time.

Bifauxnen
Aug 12, 2010

Curses! Foiled again!


Yami Fenrir posted:

Considering how hella awkward Toal was Day 1 and now going straight for 3P spec, I think I will revisit Toal.

For the record, my own thoughts were that adding a Vig when we notably had a Gunsmith and not a Cop made sense.

I'm more suspicious of Toal for still really pushing along a quick momentum on me just as easily as they did for RF. Casing binus sounds nice when he's been too chicken to vote either me or Beet, but I'm not sure why Toal backed down from voting me just cause I wouldn't kill Circl. (in this particular game, in this particular context, where I'd just dayvidged him D1 in a game immediately prior, because it would just feel personally rude and not because it is abhorrent behaviour to ever kill a newbie in a game of mafia) As has been pointed out, that doesn't hard clear me or nothing.

But Beet is more suspicious!

Toalpaz
Mar 20, 2012

Peace through overwhelming determination

Yami Fenrir posted:

FWIW I don't think it is.

They messed with a claimed "pro town" power that confirms people.

I wouldn't say your mason thing is, but that's what you claimed at the time.

Gao gao

Sandwolf has a lot to answer for

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

Bifauxnen posted:

I'm more suspicious of Toal for still really pushing along a quick momentum on me just as easily as they did for RF. Casing binus sounds nice when he's been too chicken to vote either me or Beet, but I'm not sure why Toal backed down from voting me just cause I wouldn't kill Circl. (in this particular game, in this particular context, where I'd just dayvidged him D1 in a game immediately prior, because it would just feel personally rude and not because it is abhorrent behaviour to ever kill a newbie in a game of mafia) As has been pointed out, that doesn't hard clear me or nothing.

But Beet is more suspicious!

Yeah I ain't jumping on anything yet, there's a lot of stuff about toal that doesn't make sense from a theoretical scum toal perspective. I don't think scum toal would have claimed the way they did d1 and a scum mason recruiter is kind of out there too. Just don't like their recent behavior.

Granted there's also a lot of stuff that doesn't make sense from a town toal perspective... but... toal.

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

Toalpaz posted:

Gao gao

Sandwolf has a lot to answer for

Lol if they thought you were a cop and they busdrove you into the Godfather, that'd be hilarious

Bifauxnen
Aug 12, 2010

Curses! Foiled again!


Yami Fenrir posted:

Lol if they thought you were a cop and they busdrove you into the Godfather, that'd be hilarious

Wait what who is the 'they' here, Sandwolf or merk

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Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

Bifauxnen posted:

Wait what who is the 'they' here, Sandwolf or merk

Merk was the original target, busdrove into Sandwolf, right?

And merk claimed not to have busdrove himself.

Like, just to be clear, I haven't actually reread sandwolf, I just think the busdrive we know exists on toals "action that confirms someone as town" is extra scummy.

And what do scum bus drivers usually do? Swap a townie with a teammate to muddle results.

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