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Atrocious Joe posted:depends what you're protesting Wait a minute... the law... is applied unfairly??? No, this can't be right.
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idk if its been brought up in this thread yet but if Gaige Grosskreutz had wasted Kyle when he had the chance, all those "self defense" arguments would still apply, right? he knows Rittenhouse is the only active shooter, he watches him reload after he puts his hands up, clearly this is what the "good guy with a gun" should be doing here right? but instead he decides not to kill him but to disarm him instead and got both a permanent disability and a lifetime of death threats for it
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JAMOOOL posted:idk if its been brought up in this thread yet but if Gaige Grosskreutz had wasted Kyle when he had the chance, all those "self defense" arguments would still apply, right? lol
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JAMOOOL posted:idk if its been brought up in this thread yet but if Gaige Grosskreutz had wasted Kyle when he had the chance, all those "self defense" arguments would still apply, right? he knows Rittenhouse is the only active shooter, he watches him reload after he puts his hands up, clearly this is what the "good guy with a gun" should be doing here right? but instead he decides not to kill him but to disarm him instead and got both a permanent disability and a lifetime of death threats for it That would be a consistent application of the arguments put forward by the defense in this case as far as I can tell.
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JAMOOOL posted:if Gaige Grosskreutz had wasted Kyle when he had the chance, all those "self defense" arguments would still apply, right? They would but the guys who made them would be sitting on the other side so no
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I was going to make a joke about mutual combat in common law, but Rosenbaum's death would at least be considered a manslaughter under some definitions of it. Rittenhouse using a gun when Rosenbaum was unarmed may also make it inapplicable. https://www.duhaime.org/Legal-Dictionary/Term/MutualCombat quote:Russell on Crimes, Third Edition described mutual combat as follows:
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JAMOOOL posted:idk if its been brought up in this thread yet but if Gaige Grosskreutz had wasted Kyle when he had the chance, all those "self defense" arguments would still apply, right? he knows Rittenhouse is the only active shooter, he watches him reload after he puts his hands up, clearly this is what the "good guy with a gun" should be doing here right? but instead he decides not to kill him but to disarm him instead and got both a permanent disability and a lifetime of death threats for it If Grosskreuts had wasted Kyle then the cops would have gunned him down in the street. Leftists don't get trials.
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JAMOOOL posted:idk if its been brought up in this thread yet but if Gaige Grosskreutz had wasted Kyle when he had the chance, all those "self defense" arguments would still apply, right? he knows Rittenhouse is the only active shooter, he watches him reload after he puts his hands up, clearly this is what the "good guy with a gun" should be doing here right? but instead he decides not to kill him but to disarm him instead and got both a permanent disability and a lifetime of death threats for it in theory yes, the courts are legitimizing the idea of street confrontations where both parties can claim self defence. in practice,
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Retromancer posted:If Grosskreuts had wasted Kyle then the cops would have gunned him down in the street. Leftists don't get trials.
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Atrocious Joe posted:I was going to make a joke about mutual combat in common law, but Rosenbaum's death would at least be considered a manslaughter under some definitions of it. Rittenhouse using a gun when Rosenbaum was unarmed may also make it inapplicable. the  of course ebing that american judges are just free to decide whether (a particular) common law applies without the possibility of appeal or argument
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wonder how many people are losing it over his trigger discipline or whatever
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i can't believe they threatened to kill that poor innocent boy in the court room unless he said he loved antifa and black lives matters
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I wish they had the fat prosecutor pose with the gun. He seems like the smarter one though.
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Shocking that a coworker of the guy that shot an unarmed Black man multiple times in the back sucks at trigger discipline.
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vyelkin posted:in theory yes, the courts are legitimizing the idea of street confrontations where both parties can claim self defence. in practice, this is kind of where I'm going, I tried to make this argument to some idiot friend of mine who responded that Gaige couldn't shoot him because he didn't know the circumstances that led to him killing 2 people which is to say, if you're concealed carrying and find yourself in an active shooter situation, you can't make a move on the shooter unless you personally verify he isn't committing a crime, since open carrying an AR-15 across state lines and killing two unarmed people apparently may actually be legal if one of 'em throws a bag of toothpaste at you first? am I reading this right?
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Do we know who Rittenhouse called right after he murdered Rosenbaum?
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JAMOOOL posted:this is kind of where I'm going, I tried to make this argument to some idiot friend of mine who responded that Gaige couldn't shoot him because he didn't know the circumstances that led to him killing 2 people Yeah this case seems to be "setting the precedent" (lmao) that you're totally free to ignore the cops telling you to stay in your home or risk being arrested, carrying a loaded gun (which Rittenhouse wasn't even technically legally allowed to), and kill someone if you get spooked. Like you say, it's all horseshit - if Rittenhouse was black, if Rittenhouse was on the other side of the protest, if Rittenhouse killed an undercover cop, he wouldn't even be in court, he'd be loving dead already. They sure as poo poo wouldn't be talking about how actually he's a good little angel because of the barrel length of his weapon.
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Ringo Roadagain posted:wonder how many people are losing it over his trigger discipline or whatever  trigger discipline
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Ringo Roadagain posted:wonder how many people are losing it over his trigger discipline or whatever Umm I'm an proud American. I don't get 'trigger'ed. 
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Ringo Roadagain posted:wonder how many people are losing it over his trigger discipline or whatever 90% of gun ownership in the US is performative. I've found that most the people who are shittiest at using guns are the ones who won't shut the gently caress up about them.
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JAMOOOL posted:this is kind of where I'm going, I tried to make this argument to some idiot friend of mine who responded that Gaige couldn't shoot him because he didn't know the circumstances that led to him killing 2 people pretty irrelevant imo, nobody is going to prosecute a dead person nobody is pressing charges against the two dead men and saying Rittenhouse was allowed to kill them because they were committing a crime, and nobody will ever be able to say that in a factual legal sense because nobody is going to prosecute them and therefore prove they were killed while in the act of committing a crime. if the one protester with a gun had shot Rittenhouse, been charged with murder for it, and survived to trial then (theoretically, in some frictionless vacuum legal scenario where he gets the same leeway Rittenhouse is getting right now) his lawyers would be making the exact same arguments that he was committing self-defence against someone who had just killed two people and was now pointing a rifle at him
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I was watching the trial when that picture was taken. The defence objected because he was facing the wrong way. At least Judge Maga overruled that.
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This feels like video game end credits which remind the player what characters and carnivorous mushroom enemies they met during their journey.
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"and thats when i murdered in self defense, you can see that yellow pixel, no zoom, thats the self-defense bullet coming out of my perfectly legal long barrel, not a shop." https://twitter.com/ndelriego/status/1460349638750396416
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*Proud boy being shot at a protest out of fear going on Rittenhouse style shoot spree.* "Nooo Rittenhouse was innocent that means you're supposed to feat me!" mazzi Chart Czar has issued a correction as of 22:26 on Nov 15, 2021 |
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