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Maybe “Radical Edward” will be a weird informant they use throughout but never see or meet until the season finale and it’s a big surprise that it’s a young, well…Edward. I wouldn’t be surprised if they make Ed non-binary. “Edward is Edward.” I wish I got to hear the new music. I still say that even if the show is garbage, it’s a net positive for allowing new Seatbelts music to exist. Some of the dialogue and lighting in the trailers is rough, but I like the cast and actually think the CGI ships look outstanding. We’ll all know soon enough.
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Radical Edward doesn't have an actor listed because she will literally just be the character from the anime, Roger Rabbit-style
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The problem is actually that they haven't come up with the technology to properly depict the computer that we see Cowboy Bebop at. You can't have him without that
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JoJosSiwaAdventure posted:The problem is actually that they haven't come up with the technology to properly depict the computer that we see Cowboy Bebop at. You can't have him without that Eds a girl.
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DoomTrainPhD posted:Eds a girl. It's a meme 
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Ithle01 posted:AS only showed it once a year and this was after they stopped doing regular episodes. 12 and 13 have definitely not aged well, but my point is that there's like a total of eight episodes of Bebop that have an actual plot and the rest is just whatever and that's probably one of the best things about the series. Just replace 12 and 13 with Ed's father and either the mushrooms or the bad food episode and that's a decent 2-ish hours of tv. It's been a long time since I watched Jupiter Jazz, but did it really not age well? The character I assume you're talking about is a gay man in love with and betrayed by Viscous who got on medication to deal with his depression over it, that depression medication had a side effect of stimulating breast growth (which is a side effect some medications can have in real life), and being a former soldier when the time was right he used this to his advantage by disguising himself as a woman to try and get answers/revenge. Faye is pretty insensitive about it, but she's, you know, Faye. I can see how the story is on the problematic side, but I never felt like it was over any lines or harmful to trans/intersex people or anything. If I'm forgetting something or missing something, I'm glad to be educated though. Either way I don't think its even possible to completely erase those two episodes because they're two of the those eight with the plot in them.
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Look up Julius from that episode. Yeesh.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szmSWh7-Fz0 https://twitter.com/IndieWire/status/1460230603266088972 "This new show is the product of a culture that exhumes yesterday because it’s run out of fresh ideas for tomorrow, and its vision of the future is so sterile and uninspired that it often feels like nothing more than a cheap vision of the waking life that everyone in Watanabe’s original was trying so hard to sleep off." Assepoester fucked around with this message at 15:46 on Nov 15, 2021 |
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Nov 15, 2021 14:25
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Sanguinia posted:If I'm forgetting something or missing something, I'm glad to be educated though.
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Omon Ra posted:It isn't anyone's responsiblity to educate you, you transphobic bigot! How dare you have a nuanced interpretation of this? Yikes. Omon Ra posted:Goons will never stop bitterly muttering about how crypto is worthless, even as it's literally worth a trillion dollars.
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You know, the more I read these 7-ish score reviews about how it's kinda bleh and misses the mark in some ways, the more I feel like it'll end up like the first season of Preacher. I remember watching that first season (having read the full comic run and enjoyed it) and thinking that it was okay but spinning its wheels. I was never expecting a masterpiece with this adaptation and would just be fine with a high-budget fan production. It might be that's all this ends up being, so that's not the end of the world, right? EDIT: The writing style of this review hurts my head. Oh, right, this is David Ehrlich, the guy who wrote "‘Dune’ Review: Denis Villeneuve’s Epic Spice Opera Is a Massive Disappointment" I dunno if I can take his opinion seriously... JazzFlight fucked around with this message at 16:22 on Nov 15, 2021 |
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io9 also has their review up, which comes off as negative in the title, but reads mixed to positive in the review, so who knows: https://gizmodo.com/cowboy-bebop-cant-keep-itself-from-clapping-on-the-1s-a-1848039503
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Alan Sepinwall of Rolling Stone seemed to like it: https://twitter.com/RollingStone/status/1460156140709466113?t=8z5VxZNs_oJQFA_fgWa_UQ&s=19 I'm not expecting a lot but I'll give it a.chance.
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I think for fans of the anime it might not live up to overlarge expectations, but might be good for normal people
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Watermelon Daiquiri posted:I think for fans of the anime it might not live up to overlarge expectations, but might be good for normal people That's my hope. I don't think I could ever get my dad to watch the original because he just doesn't vibe with animation. He liked The Shyamalan Last Airbender because the world was so cool and the story seemed cool, but he could tell how trashy it was in a lot of places, so I bought him the complete series box set and told him to give it a chance. It's still plastic wrapped a decade later. I think he'd like Bebop, and if this is the only version I could get him to try, I hope it'll be at least good enough to be worth seeing.
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I don’t have high hopes but I’m a Trek nerd so I can’t pretend I’m better than this trash. Annoyed to hear about all the changes though. I never once, while watching the anime for the first time, thought “you know what I could use more of? Julia and Vicious”
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I don't have a problem with an adaptation of Bebop but I broadly have a problem with simply reusing plots in a remake of a series that focuses so little on serialized storytelling. Just give us some new stories with the live action guys and let it stand or fall without necessitating a comparison of whether the cartoon or live action version did a better job at the one where environmental terrorists dressed as rats attack
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I'm working on the assumption they're planning on doing more than one season so to condense the arcs of the anime into the first is a good way to set the stage for more original stuff in a second. But who knows!
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BiggestBatman posted:I don't have a problem with an adaptation of Bebop but I broadly have a problem with simply reusing plots in a remake of a series that focuses so little on serialized storytelling. Just give us some new stories with the live action guys and let it stand or fall without necessitating a comparison of whether the cartoon or live action version did a better job at the one where environmental terrorists dressed as rats attack Yeah, I couldn't really shake that weird feeling when they just keep showing the shot-for-shot remakes in the previews. Like...I can still just watch the anime if I want to watch the anime. Is it really just going to be for people too embarrassed to watch a cartoon? Why not give us a little something new. The setting is rich as hell and can go in pretty much unlimited directions. 
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BiggestBatman posted:I don't have a problem with an adaptation of Bebop but I broadly have a problem with simply reusing plots in a remake of a series that focuses so little on serialized storytelling. Just give us some new stories with the live action guys and let it stand or fall without necessitating a comparison of whether the cartoon or live action version did a better job at the one where environmental terrorists dressed as rats attack They did this with the final fantasy remake and it was bogging awful I'm hype for an adaption not for some brand new thing. Its been 23 years, that's more than enough time to give something before reinterpreting it
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JollyBoyJohn posted:They did this with the final fantasy remake and it was bogging awful The problem is when an adaptation is so slavish to the original its not worth existing. The reviews are saying that didn't happen here, but the exact shot-for-shot recreations of some stuff did have me worried at first. Nobody wants a Dragonball Evolution, but nor should they want a Live Action Lion King
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If there's one thing about anime fans I've learned over the years, it's that they get really pissed if an anime adaptation deviates from the original too much, like they don't understand the concept of different continuities. The only property that I've seen be immune to that is Akira, because it's a classic and I don't think most people read the manga anyway. So in this case I don't blame the marketing for focusing on similarities with the original.
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All along this has looked like people trying their best at something that's fundamentally a bad idea and the reviews all seem consistent with that. Remake flawed but interesting things, not good things.
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Xibanya posted:I don’t have high hopes but I’m a Trek nerd so I can’t pretend I’m better than this trash. Annoyed to hear about all the changes though. I never once, while watching the anime for the first time, thought “you know what I could use more of? Julia and Vicious” I'm still looking forward to the Netflix adaptation, but adding more Julia kind of misses the entire loving point. JollyBoyJohn posted:They did this with the final fantasy remake and it was bogging awful God the FF7 remake is still so utterly disappointing to me.
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:Pre-reviews are clickbait trash hth... I really don't think this is true tbh.
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Sanguinia posted:The problem is when an adaptation is so slavish to the original its not worth existing. The reviews are saying that didn't happen here, but the exact shot-for-shot recreations of some stuff did have me worried at first. Nobody wants a Dragonball Evolution, but nor should they want a Live Action Lion King The Lion King Remake made like 1.6 billion at the box office dude. People love watching adaptions and reimaginings. Vandar posted:God the FF7 remake is still so utterly disappointing to me. On the one hand its nice they didn't just make ff7 HD but thats kinda all i wanted JollyBoyJohn fucked around with this message at 10:26 on Nov 16, 2021 |
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this is violence https://twitter.com/midfalutin/status/1460286013687877648 Assepoester fucked around with this message at 11:00 on Nov 16, 2021 |
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Nov 16, 2021 10:57
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https://twitter.com/tomatograndpa/status/1460269358379380742?s=21 Ooooooooof. Nothing about this sounds great. Especially stuff like how they appear to have treated Faye’s and Vicious’ characters. The apparent changes to the end of the pilot/first episode are brutal and just scream “we don’t have the budget for this” but this is loving netflix c’mon
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I think with cowboy bebop I'm going to take my wifes approach to a new heartland series being released and just watch the entire thing in a day without forum posting or really caring what anyone elses opinion is
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The United States posted:this is violence  Heyyyyy. How ‘bout that music???? https://youtu.be/ZINRNNNRNVE Nanigans fucked around with this message at 16:19 on Nov 16, 2021 |
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“I’m not gonna carry that weight” is some Dexter level handling of the source material holy poo poo lmao
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I really hope she says that in response to being asked to help move some heavy equipment.
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Jaxts posted:I really hope she says that in response to being asked to help move some heavy equipment. Note the use of the word "dramatically".
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I hope there’s a dramatic pause and camera zoom before it followed by looking directly at the camera after.
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Ooooooooof. Nothing about this sounds great. Especially stuff like how they appear to have treated Faye’s and Vicious’ characters. The subjectivity and incompleteness of character backgrounds was oddly a strength in the anime, I'd say. The original gets a lot of mileage out of very little, brief flashes of things like Faye's life in the past or Spike's history with the syndicate or how he remembers Julia. "Fleshing out" some of these details sounds like a huge mistake, because the minimalism of the original made them much more poetic. Everything about their past is filtered through memory, usually imperfectly, leaving us to fill in the blanks. I don't need more Vicious, because elaborating on him almost certainly makes him more boring. He's Spike if he never fell in love with Julia, a syndicate heavy who never had some spiritual awakening to inspire him to leave his life of violence.
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