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The United States posted:Isn't that what the SciFi channel Children of Dune miniseries did? Children of Dune had the misfortune of having a pretty good/great cast, great soundtrack, pretty good effects (for a TV miniseries), but a really middling story that just feels like a middle part of more interesting events.
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Ravel posted:If the Jamis/Paul friendship scenes were prescience of an unrealised future, then the way to have kept both Jamis and Paul alive is for Jessica to be left behind. Obviously you could interpret them as metaphorical visions. One thing that popped into my mind was the decision not to let Paul join the advance team on Arrakis. Had he been with Duncan on first contact with the fremen, an entirely different future could have played out. Duncan was obviously well received by the fremen of Tabr and with him there as Paul's guide, the initial meeting might have been one that opened Jamis up to the idea that the boy could be a friend and was worthy to learn fremen ways. This decision was prominent enough to be the focal point of 2 different scenes, so for me it stuck out as an integral branching of possibilities. FLIPADELPHIA fucked around with this message at 22:07 on Nov 15, 2021 |
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Nov 15, 2021 22:05
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People keep saying the SyFy Dune is cheap, but it’s hard to explain what a high-production budget that was for TV twenty years ago: huge, detailed matte paintings, boatloads of costumed extras, and a lot of SFX work (which hasn’t aged well, but was years before  showed that good sfx could be done on TV)...
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Mokelumne Trekka posted:I watched the Lynch Dune last night... Don't really get how things looked junky besides the Fremen. All of the factions in the opening have very different costuming and settings with the extravagant royal opulence of the emperor, the simple militaristic look of the Artreides, or the industrial grunge of the Harkonnen. Its not as clean looking as modern films but instead has some of that Lynch dirt. Actually, ok the cat milker was pretty junky looking and I would not trust that. It is interesting how much time they spent on the Shield scene in Dune 1984 only to never use it again the movie. The personal shields never came up at all. The new film is a bit better with this in that it allows Duncan to have some great fights, but still lots of shielded soldiers just get wrecked by explosions anyways.
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Nov 16, 2021 01:19
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I love the crazy costumes in the Dune miniseries, especially the Corrino tacky technicolor silk and crystal motifs.
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Nov 16, 2021 01:19
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The Dune miniseries always has a place in my heart because the first book's adaptation lowers your standards so much that the second miniseries seems awesome in comparison. Also, I distinctly remember telling my college girlfriend at the time how fukken awesome Dune was and how rad it was being finally adapted properly only for her to fall asleep by like the second commercial break.
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Nov 16, 2021 01:20
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checkplease posted:It is interesting how much time they spent on the Shield scene in Dune 1984 only to never use it again the movie. The personal shields never came up at all. Duncan is using a shield in the scene where he gets shot in the head. You forget about it because the movie goes out of its way to make Duncan entirely forgettable.
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Nov 16, 2021 01:38
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Oh right, there is a similar bullet/dart scene in the new film, but here Duncan swats it away. Gurney and the pug get more screen time than Ducan in the old film.
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Nov 16, 2021 01:42
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I actually only remember him being in two scenes: the scene where he's introduced and the scene where he dies. I assume there's a third scene I forgot about
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Nov 16, 2021 01:58
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he has, like, 10 seconds alone with Duke Leto after they land and are getting the lay of Arrakeen. Says something about how Leto was right about the Fremen and they need to ally with them
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checkplease posted:Oh right, there is a similar bullet/dart scene in the new film, but here Duncan swats it away. God-Pug of Dune
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6bpI7D_oXA
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Mokelumne Trekka posted:- the worm designs WERE cooler in Lynch imo On the other hand, the 5 seconds of worm riding[ that we see at the end of Dune 2021 looked epic.
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Sodomy Hussein posted:God-Pug of Dune You joke, but that pug plus about 5000 years of careful breeding is how we get to chair dogs.
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https://youtu.be/6n1ntwMNrI4 Honest Trailers
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Was it me or did the score seem to invoke 84s Prophecy theme at the end as they were looking at the sunrise? That song 's crescendo is haunting, one of my favorite pieces of movie music.
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:Was it me or did the score seem to invoke 84s Prophecy theme at the end as they were looking at the sunrise?
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david_a posted:The shields do look pretty goofy but I think it adds a baroque, inelegant quality to them. The clunkiness kind of helps sell that they don’t have computers in this setting.
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Nov 17, 2021 15:12
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Zimmer is apparently a huge Dune fan and poured all of his effort into the score and it really shows. The music elevates almost every scene, except for the Wonder Woman Call, which is this generation of film’s Inception Button.
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It occurs to me that a warrior who combines those shields with conventional body armor would be unstoppable. The Sardaukar wore body armor when they attacked Arrakis, but Duncan had no trouble knifing them. Do they not have Kevlar gorgets in the far future?
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Nov 17, 2021 15:32
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The knives are vibrating really fast so they go through body armor easily
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Stephane Picq's score is better than Zimmer'sKurzon posted:It occurs to me that a warrior who combines those shields with conventional body armor would be unstoppable. The Sardaukar wore body armor when they attacked Arrakis, but Duncan had no trouble knifing them. Do they not have Kevlar gorgets in the far future? This was addressed in the roleplaying game they did in the 90s. Everyone's uniforms are made of space-age fabric that protects better than modern body armor while being light and breathable, which explains why the books never describe body armour besides ceremonial helmets. There were also fussy little rules for adjusting the level of your shield, and adjusting the pressure in a stunner pistol to penetrate that shield. Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 16:39 on Nov 17, 2021 |
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Yeah, I'd assume when swords and knives have been the standard of warfare for like 4000 years, they'd probably end up developing ludicrously good blades. As for the Fremen Crysknives, they probably got some unnatural super sharpness going on by default because Arrakis.
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took my dad to see this last night and he seemed to have no trouble picking up that the Harkonnens are vicious people. Maybe in part 2 we can spend a bit more time with the Baron and his "delights" but I think we can all agree that maybe making the villain the only one that has hedonistic tendencies isn't the greatest look in 2021. Also something I had missed in my first viewing, at the beginning when the Fremen attack the Harkonnen harvester they are pretty clearly using Lasguns and my thought (much like every other instance of them being used in the film) was that the ones wielding the Lasguns were well aware of the risk of encountering a shield but were prepared to accept the MAD consequences. Last night as I was watching I remembered what Liet-Kynes says about using shields on harvesters and so then I realised "oh, THAT'S why the Fremen are using them, they know even the Harkonnens aren't stupid enough to employ shields in worm territory" With that said, I do wonder if we will see that happen in part 2, I had thought that when Duncan got back up that he was going to throw himself in the path of the cutting laser, knowing he would die with all the Sardukar but maybe he knew the resulting explosion would still harm Paul, Jessica, and Liet-Kynes. Fun stuff to think about and while I think it does make sense that all the hand communication is supposed to be the Atreides Battle Language, considering that it is 95% done by Jessica to others, I had presumed it was the Bene Gesserit hand communication and she only taught it to specific people that she trusts, hence why Dr. Yueh knows it, Paul knows it, and her personal guards know it
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Part Two should mention the Butlerian Jihad and the ban on thinking machines. A key plot point of Dune is that the spice is essential for space travel, but how then did humans get to Arrakis in the first place if Arrakis is the only source of spice?
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:Zimmer is apparently a huge Dune fan and poured all of his effort into the score and it really shows. The music elevates almost every scene, except for the Wonder Woman Call, which is this generation of film’s Inception Button.
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Lynch's quote that he wanted to keep the spirit of Dune and throw out everything else seems really accurate to me. Lynch's movie definitely gets the spirit in tone in a way Villenueve's lacks (and I'm a big V fan, but this was maybe his least interesting movie).
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Kurzon posted:Part Two should mention the Butlerian Jihad and the ban on thinking machines. A key plot point of Dune is that the spice is essential for space travel, but how then did humans get to Arrakis in the first place if Arrakis is the only source of spice? This isn’t covered super well, but I think there are two types of FTL in the Dune universe. Folding space with a Holtzman drive is instantaneous but requires a navigator (either machine or organic). They either first discovered Arrakis before the Butlerian Jihad or did it without a navigator. I don’t know how FTL works in this universe without navigators - maybe they just have to take super small jumps at a time so it takes forever (comparatively) to get anywhere, or maybe they also have some Star Trek FTL that’s just way slower. The encyclopedia mentions the Guild having a ton of smaller ships besides the Heighliners, and given that FTL communications don’t appear to exist in this universe it makes sense there would be a big swarm of smaller ships hopping between planets.
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The sequel will determine how good this thing ultimately is, because Dune '84 is pretty coherent right up until we actually get to the desert and then gets truncated to hell and back until we have a wizard baby declaring "Movie over!" Dune '84 is very influential over every other Dune adaptation, but it's fundamentally true that it was butchered in the editing room, even if that butchery gives the last half of the movie an even trippier quality. People are fairly surprised that the Baron was not given 20m to just go absolutely ham and that seems like the biggest departure from the past. Evidently the idea is to save Feyd entirely for the sequel.
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Danger posted:Lynch's quote that he wanted to keep the spirit of Dune and throw out everything else seems really accurate to me. Lynch's movie definitely gets the spirit in tone in a way Villenueve's lacks (and I'm a big V fan, but this was maybe his least interesting movie).
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Lynch dune, with its point of 'what if charismatic leaders are loving awesome actually', is a necessary part of the dialectic
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What if Lynch is the powerful and charismatic person whose best intentions were twisted beyond his control MetaDune
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Kurzon posted:Part Two should mention the Butlerian Jihad and the ban on thinking machines. A key plot point of Dune is that the spice is essential for space travel, but how then did humans get to Arrakis in the first place if Arrakis is the only source of spice? Thufir Hawat's Mentat was sick. Dude made his eyes white to multiply two numbers together.
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:The spirit of the book which somehow involves making a character into a magic space wizard that can make it rain on a planet that has almost no free water, subverting the entire point of the actual book which is about how even the best intentions of powerful and charismatic people will be twisted out of their control? it would have been a very clever ending if they had simply made it clear that water destroys the worms. in that sense, paul chose to end galactic civilization as it was known, which is more interesting.
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Aces High posted:Maybe in part 2 we can spend a bit more time with the Baron and his "delights" but I think we can all agree that maybe making the villain the only one that has hedonistic tendencies isn't the greatest look in 2021. We can?
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I think the Baron is gay in the books.
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Nov 17, 2021 18:30
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He's not even really "gay," the sum total of his sexuality is preying on adolescent boys.
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*libertarianishly* Actually, I think you'll find that the age of consent on Geidi Prime is
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Kurzon posted:It occurs to me that a warrior who combines those shields with conventional body armor would be unstoppable. The Sardaukar wore body armor when they attacked Arrakis, but Duncan had no trouble knifing them. Do they not have Kevlar gorgets in the far future? The thing that occurred to me is that it is a bit unclear why Fremen stillsuits are a big deal when the Harkonnen and Sardaukar are clearly wearing full environment suit-armour.
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Alchenar posted:The thing that occurred to me is that it is a bit unclear why Fremen stillsuits are a big deal when the Harkonnen and Sardaukar are clearly wearing full environment suit-armour. Because the Fremen suits are canonically awesome at allowing people to survive in the desert for a long time, and theres no suggestion that the Sardaukar have the same tech
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