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Q.E.D. Edit: gently caress, what a lovely way to start a new page. If anybody can't read the WSJ article due to a paywall, here's an alternate link. Dick Burglar fucked around with this message at 18:22 on Nov 19, 2021 |
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Harrow posted:I didn't change it, but even then, a jokey thread title is not a derail. Even the #MeToo thread has an irreverent thread title. I changed that title and tbh it's meant to be horrifying, not funny. Because it's horrifying and I still can not get over how loving insane it is that they walked their shiny new zero tolerance for sexual harassment policy back and crossed out the zero in just a matter of hours. Harrow posted:I've updated the thread title and request from other mods and IKs to keep the title focused on the topic and not a joke. If there are big headlines that just broke, that can make a good thread title update. It was explicitly topical and was in response to blizzard announcing a zero tolerance policy on sexual harassment and then literally hours later announcing that it didn't apply to bobby kotick. E: posted before seeing harrow wanted to move discussion to feedback, my bad Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 20:39 on Nov 19, 2021 |
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Nov 19, 2021 20:25
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Apologies for my lovely post, it was super tone deaf and unnecessary. I’ve removed it.
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reminder that sometimes people use comedy to deal with upsetting things and situations
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Another senior Blizzard dev just resigned. He was the 'lead systems designer' for WoW and Hearthstone. https://twitter.com/JohnYangX/status/1461784086687666183 Cythereal fucked around with this message at 00:32 on Nov 20, 2021 |
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Nov 20, 2021 00:17
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FuzzySlippers posted:I saw Blizzard just hired a bunch of people
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Nov 20, 2021 01:58
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This seems like between the resignations and obvious dysfunctionality at every level of the company, this is pretty much the death of Blizzard for any kind of quality products. There's no way the next thing they release, no matter what it is, isn't going to be even more of a mess.
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rope kid posted:AFAIK they are offering Truly Ridiculous salaries (well, maybe not Riot level) to people because they are hemorrhaging so many devs. They could double their salaries I saw for senior developers and still only be at “eh it’s ok I guess” levels for senior SDEs in California. And I think those seniors would be “staff” or “principal” at a big tech company in which case they’d need to be paying 400k-500k to match “big tech”
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Nov 20, 2021 04:12
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My linkedin feed has shown about an equal number of people leaving and starting at Blizzard recently. No idea why anyone would actually be joining now, really.
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Nov 20, 2021 04:12
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Finally a chance for that  dream job in games.
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Nov 20, 2021 04:28
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There are no Truly Ridiculous salaries in the games industry. Even the executives get paid less than comparable Big Tech companies.
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Nov 20, 2021 04:35
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chglcu posted:My linkedin feed has shown about an equal number of people leaving and starting at Blizzard recently. No idea why anyone would actually be joining now, really. I'm wondering if it's people taking a gamble that the troubles will blow over/be dealt with and if they do you're now set with a position at an established company.
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Nov 20, 2021 04:40
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Kanos posted:I'm wondering if it's people taking a gamble that the troubles will blow over/be dealt with and if they do you're now set with a position at an established company. Also it could be people desperate for any opportunity.
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Nov 20, 2021 05:28
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A year or so ago I would tell my students that if you were single and relatively unattached that then would be an interesting time to get in at Blizzard as they are in a time of transition and it would be an interesting experience to see first hand what they turned into. But then the lawsuits and the really bad stuff came out and now I'm just sad.
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Nov 20, 2021 05:57
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mutata posted:A year or so ago I would tell my students that if you were single and relatively unattached that then would be an interesting time to get in at Blizzard as they are in a time of transition and it would be an interesting experience to see first hand what they turned into. I can't imagine that'd be anything but absolute misery and likely with nothing to show for it, and even your resume showing that you tried to join up with the rape factory after everyone knew about it.
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Nov 20, 2021 09:49
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I can't imagine that'd be anything but absolute misery and likely with nothing to show for it, and even your resume showing that you tried to join up with the rape factory after everyone knew about it. Recruiters and Hiring Managers would likely not care.
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Nov 20, 2021 10:20
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https://twitter.com/taliesinevitel/status/1461627370427793410?s=21 https://twitter.com/blizzjess/status/1461808493766320138?s=21
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https://twitter.com/WarcraftDevs/status/1461782076173139970 "Blizzard polish" means never looking at character models from the back.
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Nov 20, 2021 13:09
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I can't imagine that'd be anything but absolute misery and likely with nothing to show for it, and even your resume showing that you tried to join up with the rape factory after everyone knew about it. Yes this is why I specifically said I was referring to "Blizzard, company in transition" of 2018 or so and not what we know now to be "Blizzard, cubicle crawl central".
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1-800-ALLCOCK https://kotaku.com/report-activision-took-years-to-fire-someone-who-signe-1848094825 Kotaku posted:Report: Activision Took Years To Fire Someone Who Signed Emails '1-800-ALLCOCK'
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It's downright shocking to me that any company would allow that behavior. I really have no idea how that happened more than once, let alone for YEARS. That's some really loving deep dysfunction.
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Grondoth posted:It's downright shocking to me that any company would allow that behavior. I really have no idea how that happened more than once, let alone for YEARS. That's some really loving deep dysfunction. I have to wonder if it was someone whose last name was actually Allcock and the investigation was specifically into how they represented their name after it was brought to light, with people just passing it off as "oh that's just a funny joke" and someone having to go "hey, this actually feels really inappropriate." (I checked Linkedin and there's at least ten people with the last name Allcock in my area.) There's some give and tug over people with family names that sound really inappropriate or sexual, like a dude up here in Canada getting refused a custom license plate with his family name GRABHER on it.
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Arivia posted:I have to wonder if it was someone whose last name was actually Allcock and the investigation was specifically into how they represented their name after it was brought to light, with people just passing it off as "oh that's just a funny joke" and someone having to go "hey, this actually feels really inappropriate." (I checked Linkedin and there's at least ten people with the last name Allcock in my area.) There's some give and tug over people with family names that sound really inappropriate or sexual, like a dude up here in Canada getting refused a custom license plate with his family name GRABHER on it. Probably not.
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Nov 21, 2021 02:12
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I've known people in the workplace with names like Hancock, numerous people named Wang, and one guy named Dick Harden. Despite many ample opportunities for some of these people to make sex jokes about it, even among the few who were immature enough to be the kind to do that, they managed to stay professional and non-harassers. It is a plausible scenario at Blizzard, though.
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Nov 21, 2021 02:17
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Kanos posted:I'm wondering if it's people taking a gamble that the troubles will blow over/be dealt with and if they do you're now set with a position at an established company. That plus taking the opportunity to up their title. Would be a great opportunity to move from a junior dev to senior dev or get that project manager title, etc. Add it to your resume, jump ship in a year and repeat your applications starting negotiations from a higher position and salary.
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Cantorsdust posted:That plus taking the opportunity to up their title. Would be a great opportunity to move from a junior dev to senior dev or get that project manager title, etc. Add it to your resume, jump ship in a year and repeat your applications starting negotiations from a higher position and salary.
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That has been historically the case but what people have been mentioning on social media is that offers this year have been getting more competitive because there is no more prestige or future success they can tantalize workers with
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They’re probably scrambling to try to make up for the years of brain drain that were already going on even before the door was blown wide open by the lawsuits. At this point, it seems more likely than not that they’re crossing the threshold into a death spiral.
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They pretty much have to knock the next expansion out of the park with the casual/semi-casual portion of their fanbase. The only "break glass" they have left is Wrath classic. Whenever they get around to announcing one at least we'll know fast whether they've decided to milk whoever's left or try and save the franchise depending on how much obvious ~engagement~ bullshit is in it.
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:That has been historically the case but what people have been mentioning on social media is that offers this year have been getting more competitive because there is no more prestige or future success they can tantalize workers with IIRC they're also relatively close geographically speaking to Riot, and while the latter certainly has their historical issues in the workplace in many of these same areas, they are on a definite upswing in terms of depth of product lines and brand recognition. If a candidate is strong enough it's probably going to make more sense to go to Riot instead of Blizzard even if the salaries are improving at the latter.
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Riot is simply not comparable with the rest of the game industry, they pay google-tier wages for programmers and way more than anywhere else for other disciplines. They also have a west-coast-tech style campus with an arcade, free cafe, catered lunch, basketball court, etc. You're right that anyone who can work there probably is at this point, although for programming at least, they seem to hire more from outside the industry than inside.
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30.5 Days posted:Riot is simply not comparable with the rest of the game industry, they pay google-tier wages for programmers Edit: my original response was a bit aggressive. It’s not what I see on the usual salary comparison sites so I’m curious what the source is for this. Chasiubao fucked around with this message at 09:53 on Nov 22, 2021 |
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Nov 22, 2021 09:20
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Riot paying high is also a recent phenomenon, though less recent than blizzard. Also they still don't compare with MANGA.
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BULBASAUR posted:There are no Truly Ridiculous salaries in the games industry. Even the executives get paid less than comparable Big Tech companies. the ceo of games workshop only makes a million or so USD a year (designers of Games workshops million box selling models that are sold with a 34+% margin of profit make less than 30k USD a year)
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Kotick personally was the exception to 'no truly ridiculous salaries in games'
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TheDiceMustRoll posted:the ceo of games workshop only makes a million or so USD a year This is an apples and oranges comparison. GW generates about $350-$400 million in annual revenue and have significant manufacturing overhead costs. Activision has about $8 billion in revenue and software (in general) is much less capital intensive.
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stev posted:https://twitter.com/WarcraftDevs/status/1461782076173139970 Ever since Buttgate, Blizzard is afraid to look at their characters from behind. Thanks a lot, woke mob.
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They should always be looking at their characters from behind to make sure every model has a big rear end
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POV: Your Blizzard manager making you write a one-page summary of how you'll spend your week off.
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