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Macaluso posted:They should always be looking at their characters from behind to make sure every model has a big rear end Not looking at character models from behind is a really big oversight in wow since that’s literally the standard most useful camera angle for playing the game
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Reviewing these things takes manpower and time and I don't know what to tell you? You can't possibly expect them to view it from every angle, do you?
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Chasiubao posted:Edit: my original response was a bit aggressive. https://www.levels.fyi/company/Riot-Games/salaries/Software-Engineer/ 220ish for their level 3 (5ish years/experienced?) and 250ish for their level 4 (10ish years/senior?) so a modest hit from a MANGA but Blizzard was paying $100k less. Theres a 350k up there for a staff/level5 distributed systems engineer, thats similar to amazon. hobbesmaster fucked around with this message at 17:52 on Nov 22, 2021 |
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Nov 22, 2021 17:48
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Grondoth posted:
This just sounds like MAGA chuds on staff trying to sneak racist poo poo through again and hoping nobody will notice. They've been called out on this before with class abilities having questionable names. Just purge the company to the bedrock.
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Nov 22, 2021 18:07
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hobbesmaster posted:https://www.levels.fyi/company/Riot-Games/salaries/Software-Engineer/ Okay. I don’t think the top salaries are a good comparison but clearly I was wrong in that at least some positions do pay comparable to at least one MANGA.
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Boogle posted:This just sounds like MAGA chuds on staff trying to sneak racist poo poo through again and hoping nobody will notice. They've been called out on this before with class abilities having questionable names. Posts like these are hardly constructive nor based on anything at all and I could do with a lot fewer of them.
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stev posted:https://twitter.com/WarcraftDevs/status/1461782076173139970  I've seen this ten times and still stricken by disbelief that it ever saw the light of day. Holy poo poo!
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How the hell do you not notice that, considering you’re going to be looking at the back of your character 95+% of the time?
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mutata posted:Posts like these are hardly constructive nor based on anything at all and I could do with a lot fewer of them. Same but they keep doing chud poo poo in the game
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Nov 22, 2021 19:47
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There was a Shaman talent in one of the PTR builds that was named "Blood and Soil". Thankfully, it did not make it to live.
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mutata posted:Posts like these are hardly constructive nor based on anything at all and I could do with a lot fewer of them. Wouldn't be the first time something slipped in.  Destiny 2 had some issues with that too IIRC.
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Heran Bago posted:POV: Your Blizzard manager making you write a one-page summary of how you'll spend your week off. Does this count as my summary 
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dreffen posted:Wouldn't be the first time something slipped in. I can see someone trying to make an incredibly weak argument for the patterns "coming together unintentionally"... until you see the isolated swastikas on the shoulder "buttons." Jesus Christ. gently caress whoever designed that. I hope they got fired.
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Nov 22, 2021 20:28
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mutata posted:Posts like these are hardly constructive nor based on anything at all and I could do with a lot fewer of them. yeah it's not like blizzard has a history of tolerating and even enabling white supremacist recruiting in their games or being actively hostile to LGBT groups or writing storylines that have plot beats of "fascism and genocide are good, actually" or glorifying confederate imagery or
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Kith posted:yeah it's not like blizzard has a history of tolerating and even enabling white supremacist recruiting in their games or being actively hostile to LGBT groups or writing storylines that have plot beats of "fascism and genocide are good, actually" or glorifying confederate imagery or Its not like there's a documented pattern or something.
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Kith posted:yeah it's not like blizzard has a history of tolerating and even enabling white supremacist recruiting in their games or being actively hostile to LGBT groups or writing storylines that have plot beats of "fascism and genocide are good, actually" or glorifying confederate imagery or I think going for "maga chuds are sneaking in KKK imagery" is a p. out there accusation, and all of the things you posted don't really touch the art team at all? I'mma guess that the Warlock set they posted is their third version of it, and what looked okay in the first two colors turned KKK unexpectedly in the third (the overall theming for a lot of the mythic gear that tier is very white).
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Dick Burglar posted:I can see someone trying to make an incredibly weak argument for the patterns "coming together unintentionally"... until you see the isolated swastikas on the shoulder "buttons." Jesus Christ. gently caress whoever designed that. I hope they got fired. That's both a common pattern of ornamentation (seriously you'll see it all over the planet and it extremely pre-dates nazis) and it's still probably a pretty unwise thing to throw in a game in 20whenever. also just gonna leave this here https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Of_Blood_and_Honor Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 20:56 on Nov 22, 2021 |
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Nov 22, 2021 20:52
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Studio posted:I think going for "maga chuds are sneaking in KKK imagery" is a p. out there accusation, and all of the things you posted don't really touch the art team at all? I'mma guess that the Warlock set they posted is their third version of it, and what looked okay in the first two colors turned KKK unexpectedly in the third (the overall theming for a lot of the mythic gear that tier is very white). the concept art makes it look like an updated/restylized version of that awesome plague doctor tier from Wrath, it's just not politically/socially a good thing to do in White right now
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Studio posted:I think going for "maga chuds are sneaking in KKK imagery" is a p. out there accusation, and all of the things you posted don't really touch the art team at all? I'mma guess that the Warlock set they posted is their third version of it, and what looked okay in the first two colors turned KKK unexpectedly in the third (the overall theming for a lot of the mythic gear that tier is very white). Just because you haven't been paying the slightest bit of attention doesn't mean it hasn't happened, repeatedly. Herstory Begins Now posted:That's both a common pattern of ornamentation (seriously you'll see it all over the planet and it extremely pre-dates nazis) and it's still probably a pretty unwise thing to throw in a game in 20whenever. dawg i am well aware of the history of the swastika in india and asia in general. aint nobody designing vvv Thank you for the correction. Dick Burglar fucked around with this message at 21:50 on Nov 22, 2021 |
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For the record the swastikas were an anthem thing not a destiny thing.
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imweasel09 posted:For the record the swastikas were an anthem thing not a destiny thing. did bioware move at some point? because if they didn't i can understand how they'd confuse swastikas for a national anthem in southern alberta
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Studio posted:I think going for "maga chuds are sneaking in KKK imagery" is a p. out there accusation, and all of the things you posted don't really touch the art team at all? I'mma guess that the Warlock set they posted is their third version of it, and what looked okay in the first two colors turned KKK unexpectedly in the third (the overall theming for a lot of the mythic gear that tier is very white). yeah https://twitter.com/StarCraft/status/835628121663537152?s=20 yup  mhm https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1836179-Anybody-else-weirded-out-by-the-talent-name-Blood-and-Soil sure https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Path_of_Glory
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Part of having a serious place to discuss the crimes of a company that has been clearly fostering a nationalist white heteronormative group of anti-social rejects, is immediately bouncing concern trolls from the thread so that they're not allowed to dominate discussion. There is no reason to actively try and educate someone who, in the best light, is actively ignoring the rise of white supremacy in America, and how these dysfunctional institutions are preying on and profiting from, that.
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i genuinely do not understand what these two have to do with nazis at all, one is a generic military recruitment poster and the other is a picture of a city with a spacecraft flying over it? e: oh, I think you mean the confederate flag or whatever it is that's in both pictures, Starcraft used it for good ol Southern boys and yeah it's aged like sour milk
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Arivia posted:e: oh, I think you mean the confederate flag or whatever it is that's in both pictures, Starcraft used it for good ol Southern boys and yeah it's aged like sour milk correct! that is, in fact, the thing i was talking about here: Kith posted:or glorifying confederate imagery
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Boogle posted:Its not like there's a documented pattern or something. So, that's not a pattern. GMs went form saying "hey you can have your lgbt guilds just don't talk about them" to "hey your guild is fine but I don't have a way to stop the automated tools from doing this again." They're both problems, but one can be ascribed much more maliciously. The other is more of an oversight - automated reporting tools tend to be really good for fast responses. In the case of name reporting though, a GM should've easily been able to flag a name as a appropriate and immune from autoban. That's an oversight from Blizzard, but without the malice of "don't talk about lgbt."
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Dick Burglar posted:Just because you haven't been paying the slightest bit of attention doesn't mean it hasn't happened, repeatedly. Nah I'm not referring to the swastika, I'm referring to that exact pattern of ornamentation of which the swastika looking bit is just a part of the larger thing. eg of which there are a ton of variations used all over the planet 
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There are swastika buttons on the shoulders. How are you this loving credulous. Do I need to mark it more clearly? Dick Burglar fucked around with this message at 22:14 on Nov 22, 2021 |
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Studio posted:So, that's not a pattern. GMs went form saying "hey you can have your lgbt guilds just don't talk about them" to "hey your guild is fine but I don't have a way to stop the automated tools from doing this again." They're both problems, but one can be ascribed much more maliciously. The other is more of an oversight - automated reporting tools tend to be really good for fast responses. In the case of name reporting though, a GM should've easily been able to flag a name as a appropriate and immune from autoban. That's an oversight from Blizzard, but without the malice of "don't talk about lgbt." "Oh it's the system we're in now that's at fault, we can't do anything about it" is still pretty damning! also they don't have anything to mark it as exempt because quote:...customer service had warned them that player reports may see it automatically changed again in the future if other players continue to report it, as there is no way to prevent that from happening.
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imweasel09 posted:For the record the swastikas were an anthem thing not a destiny thing. The Destiny thing people are thinking of is that Destiny 2 at launch had an issue where a piece of armor resembled symbols of “Kekistan,” a fictional nation often dreamed of and joked about by white nationalists. 
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Boba Pearl posted:Part of having a serious place to discuss the crimes of a company that has been clearly fostering a nationalist white heteronormative group of anti-social rejects, is immediately bouncing concern trolls from the thread so that they're not allowed to dominate discussion. There is no reason to actively try and educate someone who, in the best light, is actively ignoring the rise of white supremacy in America, and how these dysfunctional institutions are preying on and profiting from, that. Yeah the convo over 'is x thing deliberate or incidental??' misses the greater point that most of this poo poo is stuff that someone 1) probably actually did pick up on and raised as an issues, as we've heard time and again from ex-blizz people and 2) when the people with final say are historically almost entirely white guys, you end up with stuff that reflects what they consider a big deal/not a big deal.
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Dick Burglar posted:There are swastika buttons on the shoulders. How are you this loving credulous. Yeah I was thinking the same thing until I saw the button that straight up isolated the swastika part.
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There is a difference between discussing the racism inherent in a company that clearly has no one who will point out that their new design looks a lot like a KKK hood, and positing that there are secret nazis embedded in the art team. The latter has the risk of sending this thread down a very conspiratorial path that I would like to avoid.
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Jesus christ, this thread. Ok, have fun, y'all. I'm a card carrying socialist lefty radicalized nutjob but the conversation here is pretty inane and of no use to anyone, aka it's another Blizzard thread. Have fun, I'll pop back in if Kotick gets canned.
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Kith posted:yeah Wait, the StarCraft Confederacy was the bad guys, as in comically bad guys, turned a planet into a nuclear wasteland bad guys.
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RagnarokZ posted:Wait, the StarCraft Confederacy was the bad guys, as in comically bad guys, turned a planet into a nuclear wasteland bad guys. Yeah and 'blizzard is lazy and overly relies on fascist imagery in some games' is a very different argument from 'art team is full of nazis/white supremacists/secret chuds' or w/e else (which imo is dumb and there's zero evidence of). Hell, to their credit, the wow team instantly rolled that warlock design back and unambiguously ate crow. This literally may be the first good thing I've said about blizzard in months, but they responded to that exactly how they should have. E: \/ yeah that's not good Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 23:02 on Nov 22, 2021 |
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Dick Burglar posted:There are swastika buttons on the shoulders. How are you this loving credulous. thank you (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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HonorableTB posted:Does this count as my summary thank you
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imweasel09 posted:For the record the swastikas were an anthem thing not a destiny thing. thank you
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