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Shimrra Jamaane posted:The tone of her voice also gave it away. You could tell pretty much The Whole cast were fed up with the later seasons and how key characters were left with nothing important to do..
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Varys's actor has a pretty good reaction when he's reading the script where Varys dies.
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bobjr posted:Varys's actor has a pretty good reaction when he's reading the script where Varys dies. both Conleth Hill and Peter Dinklage seemed real irritated that their characters who were presented as v. smart in the GRRM seasons got real fuckin dumb in the D&D seasons
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtMT5jJmvrE I think Kit Harrington is the one that didn't read it beforehand?
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just   that they thought filming that was a good idea
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Pattonesque posted:both Conleth Hill and Peter Dinklage seemed real irritated that their characters who were presented as v. smart in the GRRM seasons got real fuckin dumb in the D&D seasons Yeah plus sort of kills the appeal of character along with how both actors had great chemistry in the scenes in which they schemed and sized each other up.
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bobjr posted:Varys's actor has a pretty good reaction when he's reading the script where Varys dies. Throwing your script down like that when your colleague is mid-sentence seems like kind of an unprofessional thing to do. really shows how much it got under his skin imo.
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That's a far more dramatic take than how he actually does it in the clip. He's obviously unhappy with the script but that unhappiness is evident mostly in how he doesn't react.
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BiggestBatman posted:That's a far more dramatic take than how he actually does it in the clip. He's obviously unhappy with the script but that unhappiness is evident mostly in how he doesn't react. He also literally has nothing left to read because his character dies.
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etalian posted:Yeah plus sort of kills the appeal of character along with how both actors had great chemistry in the scenes in which they schemed and sized each other up. To be fair, sizing each other up is all they did towards the end
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Captain Splendid posted:To be fair, sizing each other up is all they did towards the end "You should consider yourself lucky. At least your balls won't freeze off."
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtMT5jJmvrE You can tell pretty well from his and Emilia Clarke's reactions they knew how bad it was. He's clearly momentarily stunned his character's big buildup to a confrontation with the Night King is completely nothing before he realizes he has to clap along with everyone else. Clarke is looking right at him trying to read how pissed he is through it. Both of them don't even try to pretend that Snow killing Dany was a good idea.
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This wasn’t the ending that the actors or the fans deserved but its the ending GRRM deserved.
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Yeah, when the series ended I at first felt bad for GRRM, but he has quite obviously stopped giving a poo poo about finishing the books so the show ending is really the only legacy he deserves.
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A fair few pages back now since I just caught up on this thread, but people were talking about Dany and he gently caress ups in Meereen and poo poo and, like, I kind of always felt that was the point, besides also her being entitled and vindictive. She's kind of a parody of the chosen one/destined princess archetype, and also a contrast to Jon. Dany constantly makes the wrong choices, and is constantly given free poo poo - dragons, an army, etc - by life, but is such a fuckup she always pisses it away. She's playing on easy mode and being given free stuff, but still fucks up. But also still somehow fails upwards. While Jon is a guy who's had to struggle and fight for and earn everything he has, but despite making (more or less) all the right calls and generally being competent, he's constantly poo poo on and life is constantly taking away all his hard-earned victories. Dany's ultimate goal is selfish; to impose herself as queen on a people that don't even know she exists, and Jon's is selfless; to literally save the world from an existential threat. Plus both are secret Targs, the scions of dead bloodlines, etc. And I feel like that also ties in a bit with the whole central dichotomy of the series and why the show had warning signs from before it even aired: the Game of Thrones is pointless. It's one of the central, if not THE central, themes of the books. Playing petty politics and squabbling and bickering like children is worse than useless in the face of a looming existential threat. 'Who is going to sit on the iron throne?' is not merely a pointless question, it's an actively harmful one. 'I don't know or care.' Is the correct answer. 'How are we going to save ourselves from extinction at the hands of the coming Long Night?' is the question that matter. The book series is called A Song of Ice and Fire because that's what matters, not the Game of Thrones. And that's why even Littlefinger, despite being one of if not the best players of that game, is hosed. He's the best Crusader Kings player around, but he fails to realize he's actually playing Left 4 Dead. By choosing to name the series 'Game of Thrones' and focusing so much more on that aspect and having Cersei not the Night King be the final boss, yeah. Even if the execution wasn't trash, they'd have still missed the whole central point.
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acumen posted:GRRMs buddies - Ty Franck and Daniel Abraham - today released their ninth and final main book in the Expanse series, the first of which came out a month before A Dance with Dragons. lol Holy poo poo
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:A fair few pages back now since I just caught up on this thread, but people were talking about Dany and he gently caress ups in Meereen and poo poo and, like, I kind of always felt that was the point, besides also her being entitled and vindictive. Except GRRM hasn't written anything that makes the zombies matter and never will, whereas he wrote five books about the political machinations. It is not surprising they focused on the stuff that actually existed instead of the stuff that GRRM doesn't have a single solid idea about Piell fucked around with this message at 03:16 on Dec 1, 2021 |
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Haven't read the expanse but Daniel Abrams is responsible for the dagger and coin books which aspire to the political complications and magic beyond crazy lights that asoiaf pulls off so majestically but unfortunately mostly succeeded in being the first series where I've simply gone and thrown the last book in the trash after finishing it. I'm happy to wait on a book that wraps things up in an organic way instead of braindead bullshit like that. No spoilers but don't bother anyway
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Piell posted:Except GRRM hasn't written anything that makes the zombies matter and never will, whereas he wrote five books about the political machinations. It is not surprising they focused on the stuff that actually existed instead of the stuff that GRRM doesn't have a single solid idea about Also that poo poo blows and shoulda just been about political machinations.
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Groovelord Neato posted:Also that poo poo blows and shoulda just been about political machinations. Yes. Explaining the Lord of the Rings mythology seems like a pretty boring option. I always liked the idea that the ice zombies are just an existential threat that the powers that be couldn’t be hosed to deal with because they have their own myopic political goals. That seems to be a thesis to Ice & Fire, if it has one: human self-interest is incredibly destructive, and in a realistic setting, Lord of the Rings wouldn’t have worked out because what’s in it for me?
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Piell posted:Except GRRM hasn't written anything that makes the zombies matter and never will, whereas he wrote five books about the political machinations. It is not surprising they focused on the stuff that actually existed instead of the stuff that GRRM doesn't have a single solid idea about The Others are kind of the big problem that make me think that even if George took an anti-aging potion and could write like the wind for the next hundred years, he would still need three or four more books to finish the series. All of the theory-crafting about how there could be peaceful solutions to the undead problem and that there are other societies on Planetos that could help, or this or that, and that George wouldn't end the problem with just one big battle. His narrative pace starting in Feast and Dance gets laborious, and any story that he would want to do that would make the undead plot more interesting would require thousands of pages at his current pace. I think George has a massive amount of Winds written, but that it would probably need to be over 2k pages if he wants to finish the series with just two books. He really screwed himself with the self-indulgence of Feast and Dance. Slightly more on topic, but I saw this Reddit thread that mentioned ideas that George had for the show that got nixed: https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/rewqcd/spoilers_extended_things_that_changed_or_were/ And then this thread was linked in the replies: https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/rf6mty/spoilers_extended_unused_elements_in_grrms_got/ Some are understandable in that they were likely cut for budgetary reasons, but it's really obvious that George probably felt that he had no control over his own show anymore.
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Several years on I maintain the big mistake, Night King aside, was not having Dany kill Jon instead. Then she rules as another petty tyrant with delusions of grandeur. Jaime raises Cersei's baby in exile and plots to take back the throne.
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Jon killing Dany was a beautiful, fitting ending if you described it to somebody who hadn't seen it and they filled in the gaps in their imagination based on the good show we all watched until the final season.
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Morrow posted:Several years on I maintain the big mistake, Night King aside, was not having Dany kill Jon instead. Then she rules as another petty tyrant with delusions of grandeur. Jaime raises Cersei's baby in exile and plots to take back the throne. If the last shot was it ending on him plotting, then knocking over a drink with his fake hand, I could go for it.
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LividLiquid posted:Jon killing Dany was a beautiful, fitting ending if you described it to somebody who hadn't seen it and they filled in the gaps in their imagination based on the good show we all watched until the final season. really a lot of the big plot beats in the final season would have been fine with more competent execution
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yall see that poo poo that dumbass said?
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The actors all deserved better. The story and realism did, too, even if it was a soap opera with magic and levels of technology that made no sense. The showrunners were decent at setting up "cool shots" but not anything else. Nothing new here. Shotcaller was p dang good if y'all wanna see more Nikolaj Coster-Waldau.
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That DICK! posted:yall see that poo poo that dumbass said? Which one?
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Strom Cuzewon posted:Which one? peter dinklage. he said people didnt like the got ending because they wanted the pretty white people to win. and he said, "it's fiction, there's dragons in it."
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I did want white people to win, I just wanted it to be the white walkers. Every character should have died at the end, their characters were already assassinated.
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That DICK! posted:peter dinklage. he said people didnt like the got ending because they wanted the pretty white people to win. and he said, "it's fiction, there's dragons in it." Dude is probably bitter that’s he’s typecast to this series for the rest of his life despite acting since the 90s.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Dude is probably bitter that’s he’s typecast to this series for the rest of his life despite acting I’m going to say this as kindly as possible and it doesn’t really matter because he is absolutely typecast, but he’s the least typecast little person ever.
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I don't think I've seen a worse take on the fans' hatred for the ending than Dinklage's. "fans wanted the pretty white people to win." The white people loving WON while the people of color, let's see, Missandei got captured and executed and chained to make Dany sad, Grey Worm became complicit in mass-murder (along with his entire army), and I can't think of any other notable people of color which probably says something about the series as a whole. I'd bring up the Dothraki but frankly they were nothing but a bad Mongol rip-off. Meanwhile Jon commits LITERAL MURDER and his only punishment is to be sent off to hang with his best friends, Tyrion is frightfully incompetent in the last few seasons but is given back the position of Hand of the King, Sam is completely unqualified to be Grand Maester but gets put on the Small Council all the same... Hell, I could bring up the entire point about how the """""noble""""" North had Dany and her armies lay their lives on the line for them and they were completely ungrateful because "they aren't from here."
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Super Deuce posted:I’m going to say this as kindly as possible and it doesn’t really matter because he is absolutely typecast, but he’s the least typecast little person ever. He’ll always be the wake up call guy on Seinfeld to me.
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Coquito Ergo Sum posted:The Others are kind of the big problem that make me think that even if George took an anti-aging potion and could write like the wind for the next hundred years, he would still need three or four more books to finish the series. All of the theory-crafting about how there could be peaceful solutions to the undead problem and that there are other societies on Planetos that could help, or this or that, and that George wouldn't end the problem with just one big battle. His narrative pace starting in Feast and Dance gets laborious, and any story that he would want to do that would make the undead plot more interesting would require thousands of pages at his current pace. I think George has a massive amount of Winds written, but that it would probably need to be over 2k pages if he wants to finish the series with just two books. He really screwed himself with the self-indulgence of Feast and Dance. The only way that finishing in 2 books makes sense to me is if the 2 books wrap up The Game of Thrones, but the Others fester. Then, the series ends with a ruined 7 kingdoms, no supplies for a long winter and a army of undead beginning to swarm.
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Sky Shadowing posted:I don't think I've seen a worse take on the fans' hatred for the ending than Dinklage's. maybe he meant the white walkers
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