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Uncle Boogeyman posted:I would say that his best ever role by a huge margin, the one that put him on the map, is a villainous one.
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Martman posted:Geez I wasn't that into Cats, but you do you Cats ruled and if they get far enough adapting the series they should use that technology to depict Leto II
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Ramrod Hotshot posted:The actor needs to just ooze arrogance. Someone already posted this ages ago, as a Foundation joke, but Lee Pace would unironically be perfect
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the bagpipes in this movie are so good
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Xiahou Dun posted:I'm not married to Elba playing the Emperor or anything. I'd watch him play Little Orphan Annie cause he's a very, very good actor, but it's not like a hill I'd choose to die or anything. It's been a long time since I've seen the wire, but my main takeaway of Stringer Bell is that he aspired to make drug dealing as mundane as an office job, with himself as a legitimate businessman who happens to sell drugs. But not a sociopath by any means. Maybe it's that Idris Elba just doesn't seem to me as cold as the Emperor needs to be. Wafflecopper posted:Someone already posted this ages ago, as a Foundation joke, but Lee Pace would unironically be perfect Too much Galactic Emperor, but absolutely, yeah. banned from Starbucks posted:Baron is you taking notes on a galactic fuckin conspiracy?! lmao Ramrod Hotshot fucked around with this message at 09:05 on Dec 7, 2021 |
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One thing why this movie works on big screen is that the soundtrack and sound design are really good. And by good, I mean it is exactly on point for the "big weird machine doing thing" scene. In fact, I now believe it is a crucial part that makes the detached, almost alien atmosphere of the movie, beyond just the visuals and directing. As discussed previously, this is really the key achievement of the movie and the only thing that actually matters. I mean, I was shocked that it's a Hans Zimmer soundtrack, but I guess it makes sense. It has some weak parts as well if you listen to it on Spotify etc., but those pieces are mostly in scenes that don't matter (those with "human" "interaction" or "dialogue" and "story" and all that junk). This is also why it doesn't matter that the sound is mixed such that dialogue is sometimes not understandable on a 2-speaker setup. For this movie, accurately playing the 120db bass farts is more important. So: The movie is dope as gently caress on big screen not just because of the screen. Instead, you also need some way to reproduce the sound, which in terms of bass and soundscape is absolutely crucial to making this movie work. In fact, I watched it on my laptop (but close to my ugly stupid face to be fair), but with (really) good headphones. No, I didn't understand the dialogue for the most parts, but I had a boner pretty much the whole way through. So if you watch this with your 200$ soundbar or with the sound on your TV or laptop or whatever, chances are you dislike the movie. But this is your fault, for not getting what the movie is supposed to do, and for being a terrible human being, of course.
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Ramrod Hotshot posted:Too much Galactic Emperor never enough
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The more I think about it the more convinced I am that we're going to end up with Jared Leto or like Cumberbatch or maybe Johnny Depp as the emperor. I'd be happy to be wrong about this and for DV to pick someone a little more left field like John Tuturro or someone.
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Get Karl Urban and put him in the same costume that he had in Riddick. Including the hairstyle.  
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Perestroika posted:Get Karl Urban and put him in the same costume that he had in Riddick. Including the hairstyle. I still lol that they had just enough money to get Urban back briefly for the third Riddick movie but not enough for him to get that haircut again.
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Wow I had no idea there was a third Riddick movie made, was it any good? I mean in comparison to the first two.
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Less Fat Luke posted:Wow I had no idea there was a third Riddick movie made, was it any good? I mean in comparison to the first two. It's just called Riddick and is from 2013, it...isn't great but the first act is cool, then it just sort if meanders and rehashes some stuff from Pitch Black. So a must watch if you enjoyed the previous two movies. Kind of a waste of potential and good cast.
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I'm gonna take the fact that I never heard of it as a sign to not make it a priority
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The third one tries to split the difference between the first and the second films and mostly succeeds.
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2house2fly posted:I'm gonna take the fact that I never heard of it as a sign to not make it a priority
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2house2fly posted:I'm gonna take the fact that I never heard of it as a sign to not make it a priority Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:The third one tries to split the difference between the first and the second films and mostly succeeds. I'm not going to oversell the quality and writing, but you'd be making a mistake to not watch it if you enjoyed the previous films at all. The third one tries to regroup and reboot a bit. And the Director's Cut sets up a little something for a fourth film if Vin and Karl ever get their act together.
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:The third one tries to split the difference between the first and the second films and mostly succeeds. This I actually did like about it a lot, I still hope a 4th one happens that picks up where the director's cut left off.
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Ramrod Hotshot posted:It's been a long time since I've seen the wire, but my main takeaway of Stringer Bell is that he aspired to make drug dealing as mundane as an office job, with himself as a legitimate businessman who happens to sell drugs. But not a sociopath by any means. Maybe it's that Idris Elba just doesn't seem to me as cold as the Emperor needs to be. He has a bunch of people killed to protect that very mundane thing. Killing and violence isn't his interest, but he's perfectly happy to use it as a means to an end. Which is, arguably, more sociopathic than just getting off on the adrenaline of it.
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Baron von Eevl posted:Is the emperor supposed to be deeply likable and charismatic? I always thought of him as aloof, equal parts brilliant and barely hiding incompetence, vain but unsettling. I think Dali would have been great, and I think Bowie would have been interesting if he was basically doing "Baal took a shower and put on some nice clothes." I think someone with real screen presence is a must, but it kind of specifically has to be slightly uncomfortable to the viewer. Your eyes are drawn to them but you don't necessarily like what you see. Jack Black
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Snowman_McK posted:He has a bunch of people killed to protect that very mundane thing. Killing and violence isn't his interest, but he's perfectly happy to use it as a means to an end. Which is, arguably, more sociopathic than just getting off on the adrenaline of it. He called a hit on his best friend iirc
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It's been way too long since I watched it, but I think he just called the cops on him
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2house2fly posted:It's been way too long since I watched it, but I think he just called the cops on him Same thing
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2house2fly posted:It's been way too long since I watched it, but I think he just called the cops on him oh yeah it was the other way round.
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Less Fat Luke posted:I will watch any science fiction no matter how bad
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There's a hundreds of years breeding program right? Just have Stellan Skarsgård play the Emperor too and no on acknowledge any similarity. He's in a fat suit/etc. as the Baron anyway.
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Quick question: did anyone say the word "melange" at all in the film? I don't remember hearing it.
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Neo Rasa posted:There's a hundreds of years breeding program right? Just have Stellan Skarsgård play the Emperor too and no on acknowledge any similarity. He's in a fat suit/etc. as the Baron anyway. Corollary to this, have Chalamet play Feyd and never mention it.
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Rabelais D posted:Quick question: did anyone say the word "melange" at all in the film? I don't remember hearing it. Doesn't the little inforeel Paul watches at the beginning mention that it's an alternate name for spice?
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Ramrod Hotshot posted:It's been a long time since I've seen the wire, but my main takeaway of Stringer Bell is that he aspired to make drug dealing as mundane as an office job, with himself as a legitimate businessman who happens to sell drugs. But not a sociopath by any means. Maybe it's that Idris Elba just doesn't seem to me as cold as the Emperor needs to be. Stringer Bell put out a hit on a twelve year old and didn't think twice about it. He was cold as hell.
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Patrick Spens posted:Stringer Bell put out a hit on a twelve year old and didn't think twice about it. He was cold as hell. He also tried to kill Omar after church while he was with his mother. And had Brandon tortured to death. And was responsible for the deaths of witnesses, including ones who recanted. Goddamn he's a monster. Just goes to show the effect it has on a character for them to be played by someone as sexy as Idris Elba, the real life Barbados Slim.
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Also he ordered a hit on a state senator which although to be fair if you know any state senators this might be considered a good deed.
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Stringer was just trying to be the best capitalist he could be.
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Back on Dune movie topic, read elsewhere an interesting take on the movie's version of the Baron: His use of the antigravity implants combined with a massive robe that touches the floor even when he's near the ceiling makes him able to project a massive presence- and look a little like a sandworm himself. As well as foreshadowing the fate of his great-grandson, it seems to more readily symbolise the power he represents over Arrakis to the point of resembling its most important inhabitants.
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After a bit of a break, I continued reading the novel, and this part reminded me of an earlier discussion regarding the politicizing and a whole bunch of "why don't they just"s: The Count is sent by the Emperor. So basically, despite working together to get rid of the Atreides, they are both well aware that what they did should not come to the attention of the other Houses. And they keep reminding each other that they have about three steps of contigency plans in case one of them decides to use this secret knowledge to his advantage. Basically, from just the text of the movie, you can always speculate one step further regarding who might do what and reveal which secret and how that might be received, denied, countered, retaliated etc. - and you'd always be correct. Everything in Dune relies on a very, very tenuous balance of power, with every House amongst themselves and also the Emperor being in a constant standoff. The threat of House Atomics that are taboo to use but still everybody keeps them is just one facet of this. Ultimately, it works (so far!) because nobody has an interest in being the one to tip the balance, because best case you'd be instantly obliterated, worst case the entire system burns down (but still you first). Removing the Atreides is a tip of that balance, but it required two factions that are nominally opposed to work together, which - see above - hasn't been easy for either of them, and ultimately only created more issues for them to try and keep contained. They just figured that keeping the Atreides around would be an even greater issue.
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gently caress it, just go full circle and have Brad Dourif play the emperor
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