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Looks like Rush won't be sticking around permanently, BF twitter confirms it's going away in a week. This is probably the dumbest possible course of action they could take - re-introduce a well-loved game mode that actually makes the new maps tolerable and with much smoother performance, let people play it for a few weeks and really start to enjoy it, then just rip it out of the game and never talk about it again. The negative backlash over it is going to be massive, and incredibly easy to avoid. The pessimist in me believes that they only want to rotate game modes in and out because the population is dying so fast that they fear heavy dilution of players across too many modes, or something equally moronic.
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That sucks, and other fps switch out game modes and it’s dumb as heck. Looking forward to being able to disable cross play immediately tomorrow.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:also holy gently caress the operator writing/personality stuff is just so loving flat and it's implementation here is utterly antithetical to every other game that has succesfully done hero-based shooters It's the opposite of a labor of love
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Tiny Timbs posted:It's the opposite of a labor of love It's a bowel movement of pure distilled hatred. edit:  Get your breakpoint kaleidoscope rooftop bot farming in while you can, rooftop objectives are being removed from Breakthrough
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nightwisher posted:Looks like Rush won't be sticking around permanently, BF twitter confirms it's going away in a week. This is probably the dumbest possible course of action they could take - re-introduce a well-loved game mode that actually makes the new maps tolerable and with much smoother performance, let people play it for a few weeks and really start to enjoy it, then just rip it out of the game and never talk about it again. The negative backlash over it is going to be massive, and incredibly easy to avoid. The pessimist in me believes that they only want to rotate game modes in and out because the population is dying so fast that they fear heavy dilution of players across too many modes, or something equally moronic.
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They're going to introduce a 5 minute briefing when you start the game describing the current set of maps in the rotation
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rush should be a main game mode with a giant button right next to conquest/breakthrough and they need to fix some of the glaring issues like no pre-game where people are already starting the objectives before like half the lobby loads in lol
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comedyblissoption posted:rush should be a main game mode with a giant button right next to conquest/breakthrough and they need to fix some of the glaring issues like no pre-game where people are already starting the objectives before like half the lobby loads in lol yeah 100% this
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nightwisher posted:Looks like Rush won't be sticking around permanently, BF twitter confirms it's going away in a week. This is probably the dumbest possible course of action they could take - re-introduce a well-loved game mode that actually makes the new maps tolerable and with much smoother performance, let people play it for a few weeks and really start to enjoy it, then just rip it out of the game and never talk about it again. I still miss standard issue rifles mode from bf1
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Dang maybe "live service" is bad from both a user and development perspective and expansion packs--despite non-stop bitching about them dividing the userbase--were good???
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I loving loved rush in BF3 & BF4 so obviously they won't make it last in 2042 which is increasingly looking expertly designed to irritate the hell out of my fond memories of BF4.
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Dec 9, 2021 02:13
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Clavavisage posted:I still miss standard issue rifles mode from bf1 After playing 5-6 hours of the 10 hour trail of BF 2042 I uninstalled and am reinstalling BF1, I hope there are still some people playing on PC in Australia.
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Hot Diggity! posted:Dang maybe "live service" is bad from both a user and development perspective and expansion packs--despite non-stop bitching about them dividing the userbase--were good??? or both where/are bad and the common denominator is pushing developers to do poo poo that isn't good for the game in general?
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Defenestrategy posted:or both where/are bad and the common denominator is pushing developers to do poo poo that isn't good for the game in general? Publishers are going to try to squeeze every drop of revenue they can from an IP, regardless of a developer's vision. The world of self-hosting Enemy Territory servers and either getting donations (which...never were exploited) or paying oneself has been effectively dead for a a long time now. IMO Battlefield doesn't work too well as a live service type game. The matches are long, the scale is too big, the general gameplay is too casual (in the sweatlords typically get mocked sense).
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Herstory Begins Now posted:of the 'what went wrong with bf2042' vids i think they massively, hugely overstate how much of an impact length of employment matters to, like, anything at all. Maybe if it was ~6 month empoyees, but 2-5 years? With the time it takes to make games 2-5 years could still mean this is the first project of this size and scope a lot of people worked on. Even if you're technically "up to speed" on your role, it can still make a big difference if this is your first time vs gone through the cycle a few times. There was a huge loss of institutional knowledge. Add on top of that working from home so less access to mentoring and equipment, a big change in direction, and ridiculous deadlines. They definitely should have delayed. Hot Diggity! posted:Dang maybe "live service" is bad from both a user and development perspective and expansion packs--despite non-stop bitching about them dividing the userbase--were good??? DrBox fucked around with this message at 04:15 on Dec 9, 2021 |
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Doesn't BF1 do some kind of rotating free DLC system? I know I never purchased ANY BF1 dlc but yet sometimes I can play DLC maps in operations, and other days its different dlc operations.
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Hot Diggity! posted:Publishers are going to try to squeeze every drop of revenue they can from an IP, regardless of a developer's vision. The world of self-hosting Enemy Territory servers and either getting donations (which...never were exploited) or paying oneself has been effectively dead for a a long time now. IMO Battlefield doesn't work too well as a live service type game. The matches are long, the scale is too big, the general gameplay is too casual (in the sweatlords typically get mocked sense). I mean the problem is You go back to expansions and either the expansions fail to sell or you repeatedly divide the gameplay population and you get where you can't find a decently full match of the expansion a few months past launch. Finding a full Euro Forces/Special Forces/Armored fury server was a nightmare a month or two post launch and people defaulted back to just playing 24/7 Karkand/Gulf/Dragon Valley. I didn't play the BF3 expansions besides Return to Karkand so I can't comment on that, but others have similar in this thread. or You go live service, incentivizing developers to play this weird insane balancing act of putting enough poo poo in with the base game that it's good enough to develop a player base and we need to update it to keep up the player numbers, but we also need a lot of worthwhile vehicles for monetization so whales can keep the gravy train rolling. You can basically see this in 2042 with the tarkov mode and the specialist system neither of which add much to the base game besides a place to put loot boxes[eventually] or new fancy skins or more cynically new specialists you buy.
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DrBox posted:I hate expansion packs. Last couple times i tried playing BF1 a few months ago I could not find any servers with good pings running only the base game maps, so I just uninstalled. Splitting the player base is bad. Cosmetics seem way better when done right. Are you in the US and on PC? Because I can think of 3 community run servers off the top of my head that are base maps only. I'm tempted to rent a BF1 server just for more diversity
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jisforjosh posted:Are you in the US and on PC? Because I can think of 3 community run servers off the top of my head that are base maps only. In Canada and this was maybe 2 months ago last time I tried. It was a month or so before 2042 release. Got tired of cheaters in BF5 so installed BF1, went through the beginning into (awesome, immersive, but annoying when it's the third time you've seen it and just want to set up key binds!), and could not find any servers with good pings to play. Uninstalled 10 minutes later.
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DrBox posted:With the time it takes to make games 2-5 years could still mean this is the first project of this size and scope a lot of people worked on. Even if you're technically "up to speed" on your role, it can still make a big difference if this is your first time vs gone through the cycle a few times. There was a huge loss of institutional knowledge. Add on top of that working from home so less access to mentoring and equipment, a big change in direction, and ridiculous deadlines. They definitely should have delayed. sure, but dice has always had a lot of turnover and I would be exceedingly surprised if their past games were all made by long-time employees. It's certainly possible that newer employees combined with the struggles of wfh during covid slowed down the dev pipeline (which it almost certainly did), but I think the suggestion that there is some intangible spirit of battlefield gameplay that only 5+ year employees can properly implement is just ridiculous. Similarly the suggestions that like 40% of the devs don't play FPS just seems equally irrelevant to the final product compared to, again, the huge issues with how rushed the development clearly was and how obtuse frostbite is to work with and the dice/ea corporate structure the issues with bf2042 seem almost entirely like stuff that comes from a rushed development timeline so yeah I agree 100% that it should've been delayed. There are enough flashes of stuff done very well that imo if they released this with another year of polish they'd have had a barn burner of a game
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Herstory Begins Now posted:sure, but dice has always had a lot of turnover and I would be exceedingly surprised if their past games were all made by long-time employees. It's certainly possible that newer employees combined with the struggles of wfh during covid slowed down the dev pipeline (which it almost certainly did), but I think the suggestion that there is some intangible spirit of battlefield gameplay that only 5+ year employees can properly implement is just ridiculous. Similarly the suggestions that like 40% of the devs don't play FPS just seems equally irrelevant to the final product compared to, again, the huge issues with how rushed the development clearly was and how obtuse frostbite is to work with and the dice/ea corporate structure I'm not totally disagreeing with you or saying having more veteran staff would have solved all issues. Maybe it was the people who have been around longer and that are now in higher positions are the ones that hosed up on some of the direction of the game, tone mismatch etc. I just wanted to point out that 6 months in or 2 years in may not matter as much if this is still your first project and the real lessons come from after you get one shipped. A lot of this comes down to bad project management and unrealistic timelines. I'm stoked for the patch tomorrow. It will be nice if the sound tweaks make a substantial improvement. Did not manage to get my Tier 1 prox grenade badge in time but oh well. No mention in the patch notes of the weekly challenges or 64 player conquest mode coming tomorrow so hopefully that's still happening.
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DrBox posted:In Canada and this was maybe 2 months ago last time I tried. It was a month or so before 2042 release. Got tired of cheaters in BF5 so installed BF1, went through the beginning into (awesome, immersive, but annoying when it's the third time you've seen it and just want to set up key binds!), and could not find any servers with good pings to play. Uninstalled 10 minutes later. thats really strange. I was playin BF1 right before launch too, but in the US, and there were definitely a few populated community servers running just the base maps. I was kinda annoyed cause I wanted more DLC servers one weird quirk of the server browser is that the more options you select, the more it shows. So instead of not selecting any map or player count for the filter, select all the maps and every player count besides the lowest one to get it to populate more servers
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ScootsMcSkirt posted:thats really strange. I was playin BF1 right before launch too, but in the US, and there were definitely a few populated community servers running just the base maps. I was kinda annoyed cause I wanted more DLC servers There's a few community run "all" map servers but the tend to have 7 person queues or more that I don't care to wait through
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DrBox posted:I'm not totally disagreeing with you or saying having more veteran staff would have solved all issues. Maybe it was the people who have been around longer and that are now in higher positions are the ones that hosed up on some of the direction of the game, tone mismatch etc. yeah same, i'm ranting at some of the popular speculative youtube vids, not really anything I've seen anyone here saying. Also the tom henderson video seemed pretty good and was, from what I saw of it, pretty grounded in concrete info on the games' development also gonna add that the higherups at dice have had an extremely bad reputation for I think the better part of a decade now and are, as far as I have heard, the main reason why they struggle so much to retain talent and experience. afaik the main polarizing dice execs are almost all still there. quote:I just wanted to point out that 6 months in or 2 years in may not matter as much if this is still your first project and the real lessons come from after you get one shipped. A lot of this comes down to bad project management and unrealistic timelines. That's a good point Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 06:40 on Dec 9, 2021 |
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jisforjosh posted:Bullfrog (Syndicate, Dungeon Keeper) - Purchased by EA in 1995; shut down in 2001. For shame leaving out their very best game, Magic Carpet. Ever since the last update I've been rubberbanding like crazy in game. I like the new portal modes, especially the gun master thing and the all ages conquest, but drat, what is up with the lag? What's this about removing rush? god drat...
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Soflam trip report: If your coordinating with friends you can wreck every vehicle on the map. 2x Wildcats with 1 person spotting will dominate the field. We racked up close to 40 vehicles killed between the three of us. In a pub match though you'd be lucky for anyone to even notice. Its super powerful and flaring/smoking out of it doesn't seem to totally break the lock.
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I like that i can spend an entire match just spotting with the Soflam and giving out goodies as Angel/Falck. :)
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Patch is live. I'm stuck at work, can someone look at the portal tab and explain what "Conquest of ages" is? It's that 64 player? They also have Gunmaster and kept Rush another week.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:yeah same, i'm ranting at some of the popular speculative youtube vids, not really anything I've seen anyone here saying. The "BF2042 is DEAD/in TROUBLE/A MISTAKE" video cycle is now definitely in full swing on Youtube right now. Feels similar to what Cyberpunk had a year ago.
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Collapsing Farts posted:Rush needs to be a standard mode DrBox posted:Patch is live. I'm stuck at work, can someone look at the portal tab and explain what "Conquest of ages" is? It's that 64 player? They also have Gunmaster and kept Rush another week. I'm getting a matchmaking error when trying to start any game. Hmmmm... Jeff Fatwood fucked around with this message at 09:31 on Dec 9, 2021 |
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Collapsing Farts posted:Rush needs to be a standard mode…. Agreed! Jeff Fatwood posted:I'm getting a matchmaking error when trying to start any game. Hmmmm... Did you download the patch? Some folks had to restart the launcher.
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DrBox posted:Did you download the patch? Some folks had to restart the launcher. No idea. Steam is doing nothing even after restart and it's quite obtuse. Also no idea if it did anything when I wasn't looking. It lets me launch the game multiple times without trying to update it. Validating game files also nothing. Trying to host a portal game ends up in "Server not found" Weird. Looking at r/battlefield2042 looks like Steam just hasn't gotten the update yet. Uhh... e. It's updating now. Had to restart Steam again after waiting. Jeff Fatwood fucked around with this message at 10:05 on Dec 9, 2021 |
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Jeff Fatwood posted:e. It's updating now. Had to restart Steam again after waiting. Glad it's working. Looks like the weekly missions will show up at 12 zulu (2 hrs 45 min from now).
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So they removed BF3 and 1942 Conquest and BC2 Rush modes from Portal and now just added "Conquest/Rush of ages" which randomly places you in a map and equivalent game so you don't get to choose what you play anymore. I just... I don't know what they're thinking that they're doing but it's really dumb. I guess they're consolidating it all to a single matchmake button so that matches have a chance to be more populated but you better like what you get or gently caress off I guess. Jeff Fatwood fucked around with this message at 10:38 on Dec 9, 2021 |
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Jeff Fatwood posted:So they removed BF3 and 1942 Conquest and BC2 Rush modes from Portal and now just added "Conquest/Rush of ages" which randomly places you in a map and equivalent game so you don't get to choose what you play anymore. Well that's annoying. I can understand not wanting 20 different spotlighted modes on the front but there should at least be a list of official portal modes on a tab somewhere. Any sign of 64 player 2042 anywhere? That was rumored to be showing up too.
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DrBox posted:Well that's annoying. I can understand not wanting 20 different spotlighted modes on the front but there should at least be a list of official portal modes on a tab somewhere. Any sign of 64 player 2042 anywhere? That was rumored to be showing up too. As far as I can tell, no 64 player 2042 modes yet. Portal front page looks like this now 
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holy poo poo the PKB is a loving laser now edit: slap a 3x scope on, long barrel, use standard rounds and the bipod and no joke this poo poo is busted, just a tiny bit of vertical jump on the first shot and it's after it's almost recoilless edit edit: just won a rush map as defense that lasted less than ten minutes, and in that time I got 58 kills with the pkb just sitting at range mowing down attackers lmfao nightwisher fucked around with this message at 11:15 on Dec 9, 2021 |
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