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"Internally, we had this super hardcore men's group – we’ve got a lot of hardcore fuckheads at Blizzard – that tested boundaries, and we got it to the point where they thought it was sexist enough, then we doubled it."
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Dec 9, 2021 15:36
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The Gadfly posted:So you're saying that they made the kitchen the breastfeeding room? I'm not sure, but if I were to guess I'd wager it being a former break room, based on the thing about people charging their phones and such. From a pure corporate perspective it's a lot easier to tell your humans that room 4 is a breastfeeding room than it is to move your servers or filing cabinets out of rooms 1, 2, or 3. If that makes your mostly male employees mad at the  for taking away their break room (y'know, instead of being mad that your women colleagues are being put in that position and showing some loving solidarity like a rational person with a shred of empathy), that's probably a bonus in a corporate culture like that.
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Dec 9, 2021 15:42
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Yeah, I mean, I think someone who is breastfeeding would have a reasonable expectation of privacy.
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Dec 9, 2021 18:04
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^ good for themExternal Organs posted:"Internally, we had this super hardcore men's group – we’ve got a lot of hardcore fuckheads at Blizzard – that tested boundaries, and we got it to the point where they thought it was sexist enough, then we doubled it."
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Reveilled posted:I'm not sure, but if I were to guess I'd wager it being a former break room, based on the thing about people charging their phones and such. From a pure corporate perspective it's a lot easier to tell your humans that room 4 is a breastfeeding room than it is to move your servers or filing cabinets out of rooms 1, 2, or 3. If that makes your mostly male employees mad at the While working for Blizzard Austin, we moved from a decrepit, literally being swallowed by the earth by sinkholes building to a brand new bigass nice building. The undoubtedly favorite feature was “The quiet room”. A room with 4 big comfy black couches, barely lit, with a rule of complete silence. Naps on lunch, quick rests on your breaks, peaceful. After only like 2 months, it got converted to the nursing mothers room, which made a bunch of dudes mad. On the one hand, sure, losing the quiet room sucked. But don’t blame nursing mothers, blame Blizzard for literally building a new building from the foundation, with over 100 rooms, but not deigning to designate one as a nursing mothers room from the beginning. In TRUE Blizzard fashion, the transition to nursing mothers room wasn’t just a welcome (albeit way overdue act). They waited until it was CONVENIENT FOR THEM, because the quiet room was actually closed because people kept moving couches in front of the door and loving in there. I worked in the restaurant industry for years before starting at Blizz, but the amount of employees loving at Blizz put restaurants to shame.
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Dec 9, 2021 18:35
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Dec 9, 2021 18:44
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While I certainly wouldn't expect anything official, it will be interesting to see if anyone accepting awards at the Game Awards expresses solidarity with ABK.
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Dec 9, 2021 19:03
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Digital Flower posted:I am grateful that every time I'm feeling a moment of weakness and think of resubbing on WoW (fully aware there's a hundred reasons why I shouldn't), something new and horrible emerges to snap me out of it.    WoW filled some sort of hole in my ADD brain, just logging in and working towards a project or goal in that game. poo poo like this makes me want to go back less and less despite that little monkey in the back of my head. Especially with the brain-drain going on as more and more people leave/less and less are interested in working at ActiBlizz with these stories coming and and somehow finding a way to get worse. I fully expect WoW to limp along and die out, just being nothing more than WoW:Classic servers in a few years.
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Dec 9, 2021 21:15
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Doom Rooster posted:In TRUE Blizzard fashion, the transition to nursing mothers room wasn’t just a welcome (albeit way overdue act). They waited until it was CONVENIENT FOR THEM, because the quiet room was actually closed because people kept moving couches in front of the door and loving in there. What the I shouldn't be surprised by the Blizzard stuff anymore, but jesus.
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Dec 9, 2021 21:44
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hell yeah dude
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Dec 9, 2021 21:47
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Fair Bear Maiden posted:What the Blizzard CS and Blizzard dev seem to have had opposite problems. Dev was rife with harassment and abuse, while CS was drowning in drama of employees dating, cheating on each other, dating best friends after breaking up, etc… in the 7ish years I was there, even as a manager I only heard of 1 instance of harassment, and it actually was dealt with quickly, and the harasser was term’d immediately. I am CERTAIN that there was more that went unreported/I didn’t hear about, but it was not the cesspool that dev was. Just a totally different kind of cesspool!
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Dec 9, 2021 21:56
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Splorange posted:
I'd assume the harassment is the point, or maybe it's a fetish thing, or both.
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Dec 9, 2021 22:07
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Doom Rooster posted:Blizzard CS and Blizzard dev seem to have had opposite problems. Dev was rife with harassment and abuse, while CS was drowning in drama of employees dating, cheating on each other, dating best friends after breaking up, etc… in the 7ish years I was there, even as a manager I only heard of 1 instance of harassment, and it actually was dealt with quickly, and the harasser was term’d immediately. Never forget the email reminding employees to not deal drugs on company grounds and that the gym shower stalls were one person at a time.
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Dec 9, 2021 22:27
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Please tell me that was in the same email lol
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Dec 9, 2021 22:35
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Zil posted:Never forget the email reminding employees to not deal drugs on company grounds and that the gym shower stalls were one person at a time. Oh man. The drug email was hilarious. For everyone else’s info, every time an employee left the company a template email would get sent to all staff that amounted to “so and so is no longer an employee of Blizzard, if you see them in the building, report it to security, etc…” with their badge picture. Quit or fired, didn’t matter. Exact same email. A buddy of mine quit on good terms. Served his full two weeks, well-liked, all good. The day comes and he leaves. The standard email goes out about him not being an employee anymore, but then… ALMOST IMMEDIATELY after that email, comes the big email about not dealing drugs on company property. Everyone who didn’t know him well immediately assumes that he got fired, and was selling drugs. Dude is pissssssedddd. Like “WHAT IN THE EVERLOVING gently caress. I DON’T SELL DRUGS”. I assume people still rib him about it to this day. It was hilarious. Sorry bud.
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Dec 9, 2021 22:37
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Doom Rooster posted:For everyone else’s info, every time an employee left the company a template email would get sent to all staff that amounted to “so and so is no longer an employee of Blizzard, if you see them in the building, report it to security, etc…” with their badge picture. Quit or fired, didn’t matter. Exact same email. That seems extremely excessive? I’ve worked for industries with WAY higher security requirements and nothing even remotely close to that is ever done.
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Dec 9, 2021 23:24
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Cyks posted:That seems extremely excessive? I’ve worked for industries with WAY higher security requirements and nothing even remotely close to that is ever done. industries with high security requirements probably treat their employees better OP, if you treat your employees like poo poo that you can get for a dime a dozen the walkout process is based around how you'd expect them to react if you were in that position
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Dec 9, 2021 23:53
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E: Oh gently caress it who cares
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Keighley going up and giving an extremely vague "we do not tolerate abuse and harassment" statement after an introduction plastered with Ubisoft games and then immediately being followed up by the voice actor for the dude from Far Cry 6 to give an announcement sure was a moment.
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Kanos posted:Keighley going up and giving an extremely vague "we do not tolerate abuse and harassment" statement after an introduction plastered with Ubisoft games and then immediately being followed up by the voice actor for the dude from Far Cry 6 to give an announcement sure was a moment. He might as well have taken a drink of breastmilk onstage
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Kanos posted:Keighley going up and giving an extremely vague "we do not tolerate abuse and harassment" statement after an introduction plastered with Ubisoft games and then immediately being followed up by the voice actor for the dude from Far Cry 6 to give an announcement sure was a moment. What did the voice guy from far cry do?
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MarcusSA posted:What did the voice guy from far cry do? The actor is guilty of nothing that I'm aware of and the issue isn't with him as a person. Ubisoft is almost as mired in poo poo as ABK so bookending your "no harassment" speech with an opening trailer featuring Ubisoft games before and then a presenter who is being primarily credited for his work headlining an Ubisoft game after is pretty lovely.
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Dec 10, 2021 03:56
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I'd love someone to ask them how they don't tolerate harassment exactly. Like, in what way do they not.
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Ursine Catastrophe posted:between this story and someone on a discord I'm on responding to that article with "yeah that's common enough in bad workplaces that it's a common recommendation to buy a dedicated breast milk cooler and keep it locked in your car", I just Kinda thread adjacent but... Is that like a tech/game industry specific thing? ]would unionization even help with some of these issues being a widespread issue amongst rank and file male employees? Acerbatus fucked around with this message at 04:11 on Dec 10, 2021 |
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Acerbatus posted:Kinda thread adjacent but... Is that like a tech/game industry specific thing? A lot of the worst type of guys also have strong opinions about unionisation, so maybe.
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HopperUK posted:I'd love someone to ask them how they don't tolerate harassment exactly. Like, in what way do they not. Condemn harassment? No, tolerance!
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I'm not well versed but aren't statements like that hilariously illegal? All the anti unionization stuff I've heard of is more subtle / coded kind of language.
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Dec 10, 2021 19:28
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SkeletonHero posted:Condemn harassment?
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External Organs posted:I'm not well versed but aren't statements like that hilariously illegal? All the anti unionization stuff I've heard of is more subtle / coded kind of language.
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Acerbatus posted:Kinda thread adjacent but... Is that like a tech/game industry specific thing? the very act of organizing towards unionization would make it clear that a majority of employees do not approve of that poo poo, among other things. it's no coincidence that ABK hired a firm known for union busting to "investigate" the harassment complaints. Ash1138 fucked around with this message at 21:34 on Dec 10, 2021 |
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John Oliver recently had a really good episode about union busting. Seems like Activision is totally playing from union busting playbook. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Gk8dUXRpoy8
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External Organs posted:I'm not well versed but aren't statements like that hilariously illegal? All the anti unionization stuff I've heard of is more subtle / coded kind of language. It's pretty standard for anti-unionization. We support your right to vote how you like, we think everyone is better off without a union, and by the way a union means that it's the union and not you that negotiates salary and benefits. There's no flagrantly illegal threat, no implication that employees will get less with a union, it looks like it was passed through those lawyers at the union busting firm. Overall it's relatively soft as far as anti-union notes go. It won't stay that way if support for unionizing keeps growing, but WilmerHale knows what they can get away with and they probably won't send out any flagrantly illegal communications, especially in the wake of the NLRB giving Amazon workers in Alabama a do-over of the election.
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