[Non-Doomsday Economics] Democrats end expanded entitlements, bailout Silicon Valley

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RadiRoot: Feb 3, 2007

spending for what hasn't kicked in yet for BIB? well ok

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# ? Dec 17, 2021 06:33

Shipon: Nov 7, 2005

Knight posted:

Certain businesses are very interested in you putting on a VR headset to login even if its just being used to simulate a virtual desktop and mouse just so you can't take a screenshot of your desktop or otherwise steal their IP

because of course you can't screenshot things in VR

# ? Dec 17, 2021 06:46

skooma512: Feb 8, 2012; You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.

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# ? Dec 17, 2021 06:52

Knight: Dec 23, 2000; SPACE-A-HOLIC; Taco Defender

Shipon posted:

because of course you can't screenshot things in VR

Sure, on your home PC, but not in a controlled environment. Security policies make it very easy to disable screenshots, and we're talking about the kind of setups where there is no internet access, printers, or working usb ports. The last bit of paranoia they have is about someone sneaking in a tiny camera or quickly taking a picture of their screen. Mockups have basically been a room with a wireless headset and controllers, and I don't think they're planning on running Windows 10 Home on it.

# ? Dec 17, 2021 07:27

skooma512: Feb 8, 2012; You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.

Knight posted:

Certain businesses are very interested in you putting on a VR headset to login even if its just being used to simulate a virtual desktop and mouse just so you can't take a screenshot of your desktop or otherwise steal their IP

They won�t be able to get our IP now!

*sends specifications and prototypes to 5 factories in China*

Our IP is safe.

# ? Dec 17, 2021 07:30

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skooma512 posted:

They won�t be able to get our IP now!

*sends specifications and prototypes to 5 factories in China*

Our IP is safe.

more like china did everything except the rebranding and still got blamed anyway

# ? Dec 17, 2021 07:33

Mustached Demon: Nov 12, 2016

Knight posted:

Certain businesses are very interested in you putting on a VR headset to login even if its just being used to simulate a virtual desktop and ensure your 100% full attention for maximum productivity

# ? Dec 17, 2021 08:08

Mister Bates: Aug 4, 2010

BornAPoorBlkChild posted:

https://twitter.com/DanKEberhart/status/1471592217651331077

I know they never will because they don't actually want to, but the Dems have absolutely zero excuses remaining to not go hard left.

they can do nothing, literally nothing at all, and still get Very Serious People calling them communists who are bankrupting the country with 'insane spending'

like, you're clearly not going to alienate anyone by actually improving the welfare state or increasing government spending on desperately needed social programs, economic aid to the poor, or maintaining the country's crumbling infrastructure. all the people who will be angered by that already believe you're doing it anyway, and will talk and behave as though you are doing it whether you do it or not, so what loving excuse do you have not to?

Mister Bates has issued a correction as of 08:33 on Dec 17, 2021

# ? Dec 17, 2021 08:27

Xaris: Jul 25, 2006; Lucky there's a family guy
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Mister Bates posted:

I know they never will because they don't actually want to, but the Dems have absolutely zero excuses remaining to not go hard left.

i don't think you've quite fully internalized how real power in the country, or even the globalized neoliberal hegemony, works. it's okay, it took a lot of us awhile to fully get it.

democrats are the party of capital and the structures they embody and gatekeep ensure that it's the party of well-to-do academic-educated upper-crust white northeastern elites. even the pelosi interns have to be rich because they make almost no money otherwise, as an example of slickly-designed gatekeeping at even the lowest levels. but it goes beyond that.

they make all their dough, the donations, the galas, the prestige, the votes, by being pawns to capital structures. for example almost every single massive financial institution is "democrat" party. you also seem to think they want to govern -- they don't. they want to fully maintain the neoliberal status quo, it's great for them and their wallets. the best way to ensure that and appease donors is to exactly not govern

all this media-adjacent poo poo-flinging like being called communists or whatever? it's theater. they know it, they love it. it's not about 'oh no what would the media' say, it's what would their actual power brokers do, and what would other inbred academic-educated northeastern elite brethren say?

# ? Dec 17, 2021 08:33

Griz: May 21, 2001

Mister Bates posted:

like, you're clearly not going to alienate anyone by actually improving the welfare state or increasing government spending on desperately needed social programs, economic aid to the poor, or maintaining the country's crumbling infrastructure. all the people who will be angered by that already believe you're doing it anyway, and will talk and behave as though you are doing it whether you do it or not, so what loving excuse do you have not to?

none of that benefits the rent-seeking donor class, therefore none of it will ever be done.

# ? Dec 17, 2021 08:36

Ice Phisherman: Apr 12, 2007; Swimming upstream
into the sunset

Xaris posted:

i don't think you've quite fully internalized how real power in the country, or even the globalized neoliberal hegemony, works. it's okay, it took a lot of us awhile to fully get it.

democrats are the party of capital and the structures they embody and gatekeep ensure that it's the party of well-to-do academic-educated upper-crust white northeastern elites. even the pelosi interns have to be rich because they make almost no money otherwise, as an example of slickly-designed gatekeeping at even the lowest levels. but it goes beyond that.

they make all their dough, the donations, the galas, the prestige, the votes, by being pawns to capital structures. for example almost every single massive financial institution is "democrat" party. you also seem to think they want to govern -- they don't. they want to fully maintain the neoliberal status quo, it's great for them and their wallets. the best way to ensure that and appease donors is to exactly not govern

all this media-adjacent poo poo-flinging like being called communists or whatever? it's theater. they know it, they love it. it's not about 'oh no what would the media' say, it's what would their actual power brokers do, and what would other inbred academic-educated northeastern elite brethren say?

Reiterating this.

It's not that they have no excuse to go hard left. It's that they don't want to and will stop as much leftist power at all costs. Actual leftist policy is an existential threat to their power.

# ? Dec 17, 2021 08:48

Stereotype: Apr 24, 2010; College Slice

you'd think it would be obvious after democrats spent the past decade directing all of their energy and campaigning squarely at destroying leftists and never at republicans

# ? Dec 17, 2021 09:18

Cup Runneth Over: Aug 8, 2009; She said life's
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Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate

I'm assured that we need a strong Republican party

# ? Dec 17, 2021 09:22

poopinmymouth: Mar 2, 2005; PROUD 2 B AMERICAN (these colors don't run)

euphronius posted:

I could see Congress allowing banks to revalue debt

That was the legislative change in Iceland that made banking profitable in the 80s. Our mortgages are nearly all inflation indexed, one has to be wealthy to afford the payments of a non inflation indexed mortgage.

I know people who have paid diligently every month yet owe 100-200k more on the house than when they bought it years ago.

# ? Dec 17, 2021 09:26

Cup Runneth Over: Aug 8, 2009; She said life's
Too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate

Ah excellent, infinite debt with no extra benefits. Our corporate slavemasters salivate at the thought of it in America I'm sure. They have to let you, like, pay for more stuff in order to put you in more debt.

# ? Dec 17, 2021 09:38

Ice Phisherman: Apr 12, 2007; Swimming upstream
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number go down

# ? Dec 17, 2021 09:45

Stereotype: Apr 24, 2010; College Slice

Ice Phisherman posted:

number go down

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# ? Dec 17, 2021 09:49

Ice Phisherman: Apr 12, 2007; Swimming upstream
into the sunset

Stereotype posted:

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# ? Dec 17, 2021 09:53

Xaris: Jul 25, 2006; Lucky there's a family guy
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Cup Runneth Over posted:

I'm assured that we need a strong Republican party

at this point republican party is more of a threat to capital's neoliberal status quo. there's been too much drinking the 'rally the rubes' garden hose that they no longer can be relied upon to embody the reaganomics free market no taxes ever ideals. see also every major bank being dnc donors now

not that republican party is ultimately a threat either, they have enough useful morons to make sure to give them tax breaks and 'private-public partnerships' just as well as dems can be relied upon to never do anything else either. but it's still a little more shakey. trump tariffs were very unpopular and capital wasn't happy with them but stayed quiet enough to not shake up the trump ire

Xaris has issued a correction as of 09:59 on Dec 17, 2021

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Steely Dad: Jul 29, 2006

hundreds of thousands of americans dying and millions more being disabled over the next few months is going to be great news for the DJIA. Like many others, I am #LongCovid

# ? Dec 17, 2021 10:29

Xaris: Jul 25, 2006; Lucky there's a family guy
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Mister Bates posted:

I know they never will because they don't actually want to, but the Dems have absolutely zero excuses remaining to not go hard left.

i stand by what i posted earlier which again drives the entire democrat party apparatus, but i think to reiterate something that someone much smarter than me said. you can get liberals to support you, but you have to give them a win and some pretense of legitimacy of the institutions (that fundamentally exist to oppress and facilitate accumulation of capital) as long as it's for Truth and Freedom. see also all this 1/6 judicial crackdown poo poo. you don't actually need to help 'the masses' if you can get liberals on board. it's theater, not being affected from theater from the right, but theater specifically appeasing liberals

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I mean to me I've probably said this on the show before but to me there's almost nothing more depressing than seeing footage of Woodstock and being told that was some sort of high point in American you know, the breaking of the wave for the American counterculture as Hunter Thompson would put it; and not the the absolute apogee of proof that everything supposedly countercultural could be co-opted into the simple spending habits of certain focus groups and you know, test marketed taste Publix. I mean, just loving revolting. I can't really stand to think about that very long without getting sick.

That after the horrors of the you know, mid and late 60s in particular, there was this era of liberal retrenchment we fought back. Hey, we ended that loving war. Okay. After only what 13 years and untold millions dead? We brought down Nixon! well, who's we exactly? You know, we fuckin expose the CIA, we fuckin expose the assassination! Well, hold on. And those those, what would you call 5-6-7 years have been absolutely critical in the liberal imagination, as delineations of what is still possible -- in first, the late 20th century, and then the early 21st century, because and this is a crucial, crucial point.

When you take phenomena like the endless delusion of bullshit, to which everyone is subjected in this moment, it's going to be very hard to satisfy anyone on the actual left and anyone among the various, you know, insane, religiously multiplying sects of the extreme right. Because there is is no sort of basis upon which to satisfy them. The actual left begins from the proposition that our entire way of, of conducting all sorts of social activity is fundamentally evil, and is correctly so, and the extreme right begins from such an idiosyncratic you know, rainbow of personal grievances, that you're never going to catch them all in the same hall. You know, you need different size nets.

But who can you get? You get liberals. You can always bring the liberals back because in an age of... i would say beyond merely hyper-normalization but something i might call hyper-fictionalization in which it is sort of realized even by the the dimmest bulb that all possible information out there is a form of fiction in one degree or another, and the question is simply of which sort of fiction has enough monetary backing and enough, ultimately when it comes down to it, and military force to abridge the the social awareness of its fictionality.

And this goes from you know the the use of currencies, for example the use of the the petro dollar as the currency in which all oil prices and oil exchanges are denominated, to the functioning of a stock market which can report you know record gains hit record highs as the economy of the country to which it refers is completely falling apart in the middle of an unprecedented global pandemic.

Um, the sort of fictionalization in which we all know; anyone who's looked into it the least little bit knows that we are overtaken our lives are controlled right now by companies, just to give one example like Uber that have never actually made any money. Tesla would be another excellent example. Companies that have never made a loving dime, and their entire value proposition is that they will burn through investor cash in order to make themselves monopolies in their fields. And then, and then once they've monopolized those fields, then they're going to start being able to charge the sorts of fees that will actually return profits.

Now I don't know how many investors actually take this seriously because as we've seen with places like Uber, they are: number one, getting dug out from below by other rideshare formats that are making exactly the same promises to their loving investors; and number two, they're basically having to mount a frontal assault on American Labor Law just to make any of this quasi-feasible, although god knows they're probably going to loving win.

And let me put a little note in here when you see these democratic scum fuckers suddenly lining up behind a $15 an hour minimum wage suddenly saying we're long overdue. The same people who in 2016 who were calling that �absolute pie in the sky socialist� nonsense. I mean Hillary Clinton being approached by fight for 15 and going well how about 12??? and now these people are all of a sudden they're they're on board with it. Hey, Nancy Pelosi believes in $15 an hour!? You know why they believe in $15 an hour because they also believe in the nationalization of Prop 22, the California ballot initiative that rendered it legal for companies like uber or postmates or doordash or whatever to stop their employees from being classified as employees, and thus stop themselves from having to pay those employees a minimum wage or allowing them to unionize or being responsible for any benefits of any kind. That's why this minimum wage poo poo is being talked about. And even if a $15 minimum wage should actually pass: number one, the bill is for a $15 minimum wage to pass by 2027 at which point $15 is probably going to equal what loving 7.25 does now; and number two, by the time that minimum wage is in place almost nobody left in America will be making the minimum wage it's a complete loving bait and switch it doesn't mean a goddamn thing jesus christ

How did they get started talking about this, oh right the idea of fictionalization and fictional value a company like Uber that has still never turned a profit has somehow also resulted in net billions of gains for investors who understand that the deal with that kind of proposition is not actually to wait until it makes any money. The deal is to wait until it begins appearing feasible that it will monopolize certain market share then the stock value will go up, the shareholders will cash out, and that is what therefore it does not loving matter if they ever actually make any money.

What matters is that at some point they provide a sufficiently large spike in shareholder value that they can be cashed out on same bullshit with Tesla. You know Telsa, their value proposition is that eventually every car on earth will be a tesla that is written into the basic statement of how it is that they're ever actually going to make a profit. Do you believe? That i don't believe that and i have a feeling that a lot of the biggest investors in Tesla they don't actually believe that either. What they do believe is that there are enough credulous assholes out there to make the stock price skyrocket for a little while at which point they're all going to cash out and i suspect to see some some Enron phenomena going on pretty quick here in the tesla realm.

So within this hyper fictionalized environment as i've mentioned, the actual left and the extreme right these people are lost to you, but you can hold on to liberals. And that is the real key here. And the reason you can hold on to them in a way you can't hold on to other people is that liberals still sink an enormous amount of faith and credulity into the idea that even if our institutions aren't perfect, even if there are oversights and mistakes, and even outright instances of corruption, ultimately our institutions are here for the good. And even if not you know most of the time, even if not even half of the time, but just sometimes, those institutions can work on behalf of the public benefit.

Now that's loving absurd, you and i know that's not true at all, but this forms the groundwork of the liberal worldview that we simply need more and more reformed institutions working better and better and this will you know the loving slow boring of hard boards -- this will eventually lead to you know the rectification of all things wrong within crony capitalism as if all capitalism wasn't loving crony capitalism. And i think anyone who has any actual power and is very bright at all understands quite well that in order to keep that power, he or she has to give the liberals a win. Or at least an apparent win every once in a while; he or she must maintain the liberals faith that ultimately we are an infinitely perfectible shining city on the hill whose institutions are sure� perhaps undergoing a particular threat at this moment due to the �unprecedentedly evil presidency of donald trump�, who's you know what's i mean top five bad presidents maybe, at worst.

They have to keep those people on board because without that you know sort of middle tranche of liberals. And when i say liberals here I don't necessarily mean people with you know socially liberal viewpoints, I mean everybody who still believes in the right functioning of capitalism as an institutional framework under which the wrongs otherwise presented by society can be rectified. You have to keep those people in the loving barn because when they get loose; when they stop believing; some of them may turn to the left. Enough of them perhaps to actually lend some loving credibility the left politics in this country and some of them may turn to the extreme right out of an extremity of personal grievance lacking any of the kind of historical structural economic framework that would make somebody understand this as a class issue instead of an issue of simple you know unfairness to oneself. And there's a whole middle section there, the section you've been relying on to vote for you to keep your- you know, but quote unquote, democratic elections, more or less legitimate. -- by getting what you know, a third of the electorate out there every few years. They say, �Well, this is enough people that it basically functions as a popular mandate, right?� A lot of those people might just stop loving voting.

And so the deep state the citadels of real extreme capital accumulation and manipulation, the military industrial complex, the elements of government that are largely unelected, and which are largely concerned with the smooth functioning of a bureaucracy that continues to pay them and their class dividends. These people know, the libs have to be given a victory every once in a while, what's more, a series of victories. And as long as those victories don't actually imperil our power in any way at all, it's fine, everything will go back to normal.

And in fact, we may be able to use those artificial patchwork victories to get away with more than we've ever gotten away with so far. And it seems to me, dear listener, that this series of events from 70, or 71, up to 76, or seven, was essentially that it was, in agency terms, one long, limited Hangout, where you let people see a little bit of the evil poo poo. So they can convince themselves that they know the entire story. And even more importantly, than convincing themselves, they know the entire story, they can also convince themselves that their institutions have been sufficient and reliable to suss out the entire story. That's the real crucial part.

It's not just the details that they may happen to uncover. It's the idea that government and institutions as they are meant to function are wholly capable of uncovering the truth about things, if we only let them if we are only deserving of our own great, beautiful history. If we just if we gently caress the flag in the right place, the flag will tell us the truth.

and something to add to that is you can even get 'the left' on board to fall in toe with the democrat party apparatchiks by telling them that 'innocent lived experienced BIPOCS and LGTBQIA+ poor undocumented immigrants marginalized unhoused will be irreparably harmed if orange man wins'. now most on the left without academic-guilt have largely just checked out for decades now and stopped participating because why should they, but there's enough academic-educated guilty people on the left that are credulous dumb fucks fall for it again and again. but not like they really matter anyways, it's mostly just icing on the cake and demonstrating of ability of power structures to subjugate even those who should be against it.

# ? Dec 17, 2021 10:30

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OK baizuo posted:

the only thing I have faith in is the global supremacy of Communist China in the 21st century

inshallah

# ? Dec 17, 2021 10:43

Shipon: Nov 7, 2005

look at the media screaming about inflation, nonstop. the right wing and the centrists are screaming up and down about how it's getting out of control. that should tell you something about who the effects of inflation hit the hardest. hint, it's not the bottom 50%, who are right now seeing massive wage increases compared to before this poo poo started (as they should)

we increased the money supply 5-fold and the inflation rate isn't even double digits. lmao at the notion of government spending pushing mass inflation

# ? Dec 17, 2021 10:50

euphronius: Feb 18, 2009

where are you seeing massive wage increases

# ? Dec 17, 2021 11:27

Stereotype: Apr 24, 2010; College Slice

I think nurses are getting paid more. I�m sure as hell not.

# ? Dec 17, 2021 11:29

PostNouveau: Sep 3, 2011; VY till I die; Grimey Drawer

Shipon posted:

look at the media screaming about inflation, nonstop. the right wing and the centrists are screaming up and down about how it's getting out of control. that should tell you something about who the effects of inflation hit the hardest. hint, it's not the bottom 50%, who are right now seeing massive wage increases compared to before this poo poo started (as they should)

we increased the money supply 5-fold and the inflation rate isn't even double digits. lmao at the notion of government spending pushing mass inflation

Government spending that isn't even happening for years and then requires a bureaucracy to get spun up and also has a bunch of associated tax hikes to pay for it.

Definitely that's causing inflation not the fact that we let commercial banks print their own money for 2 years

# ? Dec 17, 2021 13:03

double nine: Aug 8, 2013

only 2 years?

# ? Dec 17, 2021 13:41

Noblesse Obliged: Apr 7, 2012

there is only one political party in America

# ? Dec 17, 2021 13:45

AWWNAW: Dec 30, 2008

good numbers here

# ? Dec 17, 2021 14:12

Mr Hootington: Jul 24, 2008

Turkey 🤣

# ? Dec 17, 2021 14:21

Honest Thief: Jan 11, 2009

tf's happening with turkey??

# ? Dec 17, 2021 14:53

Orange Devil: Oct 1, 2010; Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Good time to buy a holiday home in Turkey in case anyone is interested.

# ? Dec 17, 2021 14:55

Pepe Silvia Browne: Jan 1, 2007

I hope that changing the name from "Doomsday Economics" to "NUMBER" is the thing that finally crashes the markets - one last thing for Goons to be wrong about :unsmith:

# ? Dec 17, 2021 14:57

shyduck: Oct 3, 2003

https://twitter.com/jaxson_davidson/status/1470933731548356614?t=4dm2eK1idv3DKUkT0fsyiQ&s=19

# ? Dec 17, 2021 15:00

Crusader: Apr 11, 2002

shyduck posted:

https://twitter.com/jaxson_davidson/status/1470933731548356614?t=4dm2eK1idv3DKUkT0fsyiQ&s=19

https://twitter.com/lilgalil17/status/1471719231754584065?s=21

# ? Dec 17, 2021 15:01

zetamind2000: Nov 6, 2007; ~~I'm an alien.~~

Honest Thief posted:

tf's happening with turkey??

Erdogan's doing some currency-based performance art

# ? Dec 17, 2021 15:02

JAY ZERO SUM GAME: Oct 18, 2005; Walter.
I know you know how to do this.
Get up.

look at all that wasted vertical space

# ? Dec 17, 2021 15:05

skooma512: Feb 8, 2012; You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.

shyduck posted:

https://twitter.com/jaxson_davidson/status/1470933731548356614?t=4dm2eK1idv3DKUkT0fsyiQ&s=19

every time I hate on coins for taking all the cards they act like video cards haven�t been the meta for years.

Would coiners just lie like that? :thunk:

btw pedocoins should die

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Pepe Silvia Browne posted:

I hope that changing the name from "Doomsday Economics" to "NUMBER" is the thing that finally crashes the markets - one last thing for Goons to be wrong about

who knows maybe my spellcasting abilities are all subsumed into something awful forum titles

# ? Dec 17, 2021 15:19

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