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El Gallinero Gros posted:Has Dahlin ever had a decent coach? Just this year. Granato has that team looking like they may actually know how to play hockey. They're not really the best at it, but they're not skating around without purpose.
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Are offensive defensemen the most underrated players in the league? It feels like everyone shits all over them even if they are pulling in 70+ point seasons.
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Twin Cinema posted:Are offensive defensemen the most underrated players in the league? It feels like everyone shits all over them even if they are pulling in 70+ point seasons. Maybe among fancystats enthusiasts? I feel like casuals are more likely to associate points with greatness. If you watch games closely though, the defensive blunders are more viscerally hurtful. e: While I think Carlson would be a perfectly fine ceiling for Dahlin, I don't really consider him a big superstar. He's a big PP producer, but it would be pretty shocking if he won the Norris. I was not mad at all that he got beat by Josi. Chad Sexington fucked around with this message at 23:45 on Dec 17, 2021 |
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Defensemen that score more points are possessing the puck more often than their peers. Possessing the puck is arguably the best form of defense because the other team isn't on offense if you have the puck. It does make their mistakes more noticeable though.
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I love me a puck handling defenseman, but playing defense is also a pretty big part of the "defenseman" job and guys like Carlson are really just forwards playing at the defenseman position. Which is by no means always necessarily a bad thing but IMO guys of that type tend to be somewhat overrated if anything, because the goals they generate are more obvious to see than the goals their adventurous play in their own end help create for the opposition. Although devil's advocate against my own position here, a really good offensive d-man is really critical to a good PP unit (RIP  )
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I think players like Dmitry Orlov are probably more underrated. He plays big even strength minutes and generally is fantastic in them. But he doesn’t put up huge point totals because most of his good work is done in the defensive and neutral zones, and he doesn’t play many PP minutes because Carlson is in front of him. It was either JFresh or Dom who kind of had a hot take and said that Orlov was the best Caps defenseman and in the top 30 in the league and honestly I didn’t disagree with their analysis.
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https://twitter.com/jfreshhockey/status/1471981288533938178?s=21 https://twitter.com/jfreshhockey/status/1471982428667404292?s=21 This is the best survey he’s ever done lol More results going up in the thread
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If that survey had been done 10 years ago i imagine the Wings fans would be near the top of a lot of these. As it it hard to be annoying when your team is dogshit
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Finally the Leafs win something
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Powershift posted:Wait, Calgary has a fanbase? The 4th most common response to what team you are a fan of in that survey was Calgary, and yet no one notices Calgary fans. Maybe the entire fanbase is just too embarrassed to admit they are fans except in anonymous surveys?
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I think it's fair to say that Jack should have played at least one year of college, definitely agree with everyone saying that.
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https://twitter.com/EdmontonOilers/status/1472016442753048582 Duncan Keith could not biohack his way out of getting COVID, it appears.
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I’m probably forgetting an easy example, but the Jets having Dave Lowry (interim) coaching his son Adam is the first time I can remember a father coaching his son in the NHL, and feels weird e: 0-1 in the Lowry Era fire him The Dirty Burger fucked around with this message at 04:31 on Dec 18, 2021 |
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Cartoon Man posted:I like how the new interim coach for the Jets hooked us with a second goalie pull so Ovi could get an empty netter and keep chasing Gretzky. Ovie’s gonna have like 100 more ENGs before his career ends. And it’s gonna kick rear end.
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goldrush posted:this is a cool save Holy poo poo that is incredible
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stab posted:Finally the Leafs win something https://twitter.com/GreedLanderSZN/status/1471983164981747727?s=20
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The Dallas Stars are complete rear end and I sincerely hope history remembers the past decade for the team putting together a fun but flawed offensive team, only to realize they'd be better served going older and slower and shittier with contracts they couldn't move, drunkenly stumbling into a SCF by accident and returning to a dumpster. I don't know how I'm this negative about a team two years removed from a Cinderella playoff run, but jesus christ this team is absolutely garbage. I was more optimistic about the team's future when they were bankrupt and without an owner.
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God drat the ducks need to get their poo poo together defensively. I lost count of how many times an Arizona player was left completely alone in front of the net that match.
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this is a pretty scary look at how carolina at calgary with calgary being omicron covid carriers caused a bunch of outbreaks across the league: https://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/2021/12/17/timeline-how-nhl-outbreaks-connect-to-one-game-in-calgary.html media's got to do the contact tracing, NHL won't tell us themselves e: it looks like the other big outbreak is someone on colorado getting omicron before the 12th, then sharing it with florida on the 12th and then to nashville on the 16th. Arivia fucked around with this message at 12:30 on Dec 18, 2021 |
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Arivia posted:media's got to do the contact tracing, NHL won't tell us themselves Rumor is there's talks about pausing the season for a couple weeks but some teams are pushing back because there's high profit games coming up soon. So that's cool.
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Shinjobi posted:The Dallas Stars are complete rear end and I sincerely hope history remembers I think they're mostly safe on this front, unfortunately. Also, the Minnesota Wild are the new fun largely ignored Western team.
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https://twitter.com/billmeltzer/status/1472231747412705280?s=21 BRING BACK ROB ZEPP Also https://twitter.com/pr_nhl/status/1472231648825692160?s=21
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fermun posted:The 4th most common response to what team you are a fan of in that survey was Calgary, and yet no one notices Calgary fans. Maybe the entire fanbase is just too embarrassed to admit they are fans except in anonymous surveys? we're here, we've just been subjected to 30 years of absolute mediocrity with a brief flash in the late 80s where Lanny led us to the promised land. we're also all cool as hell
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Dang, thought a few more folks would join me in choosing the Blue Jackets for "cool other fanbase".
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Motte, Spezza and Simmonds all placed in COVID protocol ahead of tonight's Toronto/Vancouver game Fantastic. Can't wait to see the fallout from this game.
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grack posted:Motte, Spezza and Simmonds all placed in COVID protocol ahead of tonight's Toronto/Vancouver game Myers also put on COVID protocol now. You have to think there's a fair chance of it being cancelled. Plus our defense right now is, OEL - Juulsen, Hughes - Ashton Sautner (I think? They signed him and called him up today), Bowey - Burroughs and I'm really not sure if that's good or not.
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Quinn Hughes is gonna die on the ice tonight after they make him play all 60 minutes
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“Power through” = ruining more players Christmases by giving their families Covid. Great idea.
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The Canucks had to sign a guy today (Ashton Sautner) just so they can ice a full d-corps. Injured/COVID'ed defensemen: Myers, Poolman, Schenn, Hunt, Brisebois, Keeper, Rathbone The D tonight (if the game actually goes ahead) will be something like: Hughes-Burroughs OEL-Juulsen Sautner-Bowey They're down to like their 14th string guy on the depth chart. Basically what I'm saying is that the Canucks are still gonna beat the Leafs tonight because the Leafs only lose games with these types of narratives.
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