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The 'Resturaunt to Another World' is actually a western-style resturaunt in Japan, and wows the fantasy folk with hamburgers and pizza as often as it does with sushi or ramen.
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Elfface posted:The 'Resturaunt to Another World' is actually a western-style resturaunt in Japan, and wows the fantasy folk with hamburgers and pizza as often as it does with sushi or ramen. Still not as good as mushy peas or tripe soup  .
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Dec 17, 2021 15:20
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Gladi posted:This a super popular cliche in japanese isekai, there is currently anime airing all about the premise of "superior Earth (Japanese) food bedazzles the natives". Like I do enjoy of variety of foreign foods, but mushy peas are good eating too y'know? The isekai cliche is more of "superior Japanese culture bedazzles the natives" than anything food-specific. Colonialist ideas in fiction is not exactly limited to western fiction.
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Dec 17, 2021 20:31
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dungeon meshi's insane focus on food works not just because its an exploration of the dungeon's ecology, but also because its not so much about the food itself as how loving weird the cast is
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PracGuide: I really liked the recent chapter. A bit of a deus ex machina, but one that makes sense (since the Herald was still a loose end story-wise and it had previously been indicated that the Kingdom Under was stagnating and not what it once was). I'm guessing Catherine's new aspect just told her "something important happening in two days, so bide time until then"? I feel like it might be a bit of a challenge to write the use of this aspect, since it seems to vaguely just be "even more powerful/effective understanding of how all the story-related moving parts work together." I think the parts before the end did a good job of heightening the tension and made perfect sense as an unavoidable problem (previously I had been kind of raising my eyebrows at how they were going to keep people fighting given the supply situation and low morale from the casualties of the previous chapter).Peachfart posted:I'm 90% certain these novels stole the food stuff from TWI. The other 10% is that everyone likes food. As others mentioned, the food stuff has been a party of Japanese (and probably Chinese/Korean) web novels before they became popular in the west (and Wandering Inn along with a number of other serials are to varying extents inspired by them).
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I'm reminded a bit of the Redwall book series, where the excessive food porn was one of the best parts.
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Larry Parrish posted:only villains do that avoids this trope in several ways but specifically with food it just describes how loving weird the local food is. it's all fairly normal stuff but the Flyfr are obsessed with making everything spicy and sour and it drives the protagonist insane. The author is really good at placing details that help flesh out the world and unpleasant tasting things is often forgotten about. It's a good detail to add to a setting where he likes a large number of people in said world but hates everything else about the world, from the organization right on down to them adding what he considers a garbage flavor to their wine. As for cooking in these stories: When you're trying to make your world inviting you want things that appeal to all the senses. Food is one of the most sensation packed positive experiences you can have. Writing about prepping food bumps your word count and it involves all the senses: The rich burble of boiling sauce, the aroma of tomatoes mixing with a hint of cooked sausage, feeling the warm steam above the pot, and tasting tomato as well as a hint of garlic mixed into the sauce right until chewing down on a soft peppery bit of sausage that mixes the sweetness of the tomato with a salty meat flavor... It's very easy to write a passage like as long as I can remember the dish and what's in it. Ingredients usually have scent, texture, and temperature component we understand and are easy to invoke too. Imagine fresh fish laying on ice in a market stall: can you imagine what the ice looks like then feels like? The texture of the cold fish? The smell of the fish mongers stall? Heck, do you see a particular fish even though you have no idea what type it is? (mine is always about 2 feet long and thin, dark scales on top with silvery below, I never imagine the fins on the top or sides unless I think about it) I think it's part of why you have animal people as romance targets in so many wish fulfillment stories: there are readers of these fantasy books that might not know what a boob feels like, but all of them probably have had a dog or cat and you can give them additional positive tactile triggers by evoking soft fur and the smell of a clean animal. Not to mention that authors always give them pet-like behavior to give the protagonist clear signals that no no, they really like them.
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well that post started out interesting and ended on telling me that creepy books with people who act too much like cats is actually for virgin furries and not furries. thanks, I guess. but yeah d.d. Webb is pretty good at negative association without making everything a horror scene. i like it.
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It's part of the dna of modern isekai and fits in with the idea that you can waltz in to a fantasy society and nobody ever sliced bread before. It might have jumped into my mind because Only villains is a work I recall as having the protagonist (and writer) think about power imbalance as a problem with accepting or expressing interest in his subordinates. I may be remembering it wrong and i know part of him not entangling himself is compounded by character trauma. In my mind its mixed together as writing about both food and sex in pulpy stories is all about satisfaction and what shortcuts are used in reaching it. The average webfiction romance is a hotdog for me: It tastes good and I know its not good for me and it gets gross if you think about what goes into it. But i still end up having a hotdog once in a blue moon.
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One of the most entertaining isekai/reincarnation series I've read was Upgrade Specialist in Another World, which subverts almost all the tropes. To the point I think the author had a checklist he worked through.
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Kalas posted:One of the most entertaining isekai/reincarnation series I've read was Upgrade Specialist in Another World, which subverts almost all the tropes. To the point I think the author had a checklist he worked through. One of the best things about web fiction is going from something like TUTBAD which is really meticulous about a party existing in its world and how fantasy rules would change people and society then flipping over to a murder hobo story where an MC gets a fortune in gold and exp for inventing peanut butter and knowing both exist because the author read possibly the same set of stories and it flung them out in totally different directions
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Whaleporn posted:It's part of the dna of modern isekai and fits in with the idea that you can waltz in to a fantasy society and nobody ever sliced bread before. Ah shortcuts in writing are such a fun topic. A thing is done in a story for a purpose, someone copies that thing and completely misses the point of why it was done. Now every story is doing the thing and none of them know why! It has gotten really funny with the advent of the Webnovel since the time between iterations of an idea has gotten so low, you can follow a trend in a matter of months instead of decades. Like so many of the stuff you find in Isekai started as a shortcut to be understandable to a Teenager, even the basic premise is a shortcut to make the main character relatable!
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MadHat posted:Ah shortcuts in writing are such a fun topic. A thing is done in a story for a purpose, someone copies that thing and completely misses the point of why it was done. Now every story is doing the thing and none of them know why! It has gotten really funny with the advent of the Webnovel since the time between iterations of an idea has gotten so low, you can follow a trend in a matter of months instead of decades. whats even funnier is when the reader uncritically absorbs the thing and then becomes frustrated when the thing isnt included in the story!
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TUTBAD 58: Hell yeah, ”Anyspoon” is now canon.
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Cicero posted:TUTBAD 58: Hell yeah, ”Anyspoon” is now canon. As is the criminally underused Anyentad. Alfric's family is so rich that they have an entad that copies any other entad, and they use it as one 78 ways to make food from thin air.
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LLSix posted:As is the criminally underused Anyentad. Alfric's family is so rich that they have an entad that copies any other entad, and they use it as one 78 ways to make food from thin air. Not quite, it only works on silverware you're holding, which is not nearly as useful. Still probably plenty of things with limited numbers of uses/etc you could get use out of it
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War Queen chapter 24 we are finally past the prologue. I never expected to cheer the giant red soldier turned into a tank A-team style with human armor and body parts to charge down the killing corridor. His confusion at the touching and illogical human interactions in the face of death was interesting too. Really love the alien feel of the colony's point of view.
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Kyoujin posted:War Queen chapter 24 we are finally past the prologue. I never expected to cheer the giant red soldier turned into a tank A-team style with human armor and body parts to charge down the killing corridor. His confusion at the touching and illogical human interactions in the face of death was interesting too. Really love the alien feel of the colony's point of view. The story does weird things to you when you realize you're cheering for a giant insect who welded dead human bodies onto himself as ablative armor so he could slaughter a bunch of people rebelling against a horrifying empire. I cannot wait for Svera to learn more about why her colony is being set to kill these specific humans and how she ends up dealing with that. Its also interesting to be in another bug's head, especially as they seem to be developing more individuality as their exposure to weird human behavior grows.
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Whaleporn posted:The author is really good at placing details that help flesh out the world and unpleasant tasting things is often forgotten about. It's a good detail to add to a setting where he likes a large number of people in said world but hates everything else about the world, from the organization right on down to them adding what he considers a garbage flavor to their wine. It can also be really effective as a plot device. Using food in a story can be absolutely helpful in setting the tone or expanding on a character's traits. It's one of the few things that is a basic necessity that everyone needs, so you have to include it at some point, but can also be a luxury. Like, in Kitty Cat Kill Sat the powerlessness of MC in their own personal life is underscored by how they've nothing to eat except food pellets that have all the nutrition they need but are absolutely bland and have become almost torture to consume. GRRM uses food in ASOIAF to show off wealth, with rich people throwing feasts and eating complicated dishes and having the best wine, while poor people get stew and beer. Wizard's Tower has the MC's alcoholism in the background with his obsession with wine. Demesne goes into their relative isolation, with meals being bland (and basically just stew) because they don't have a large variety in their diet. Or you can have meals in stories that highlight the difference between characters, like one being prim and proper while eating, another being really indulgent (I remember seeing Tarantino explain how this was part of Candy's character, in Django Unchained), someone being out of place because they don't know the proper etiquette and being mocked for it, etc. Going back to Tori Transmigrated, it kinda misses the mark here. The closest we get to using food for the plot is when Tori talks about how the people in the delta need to learn to fish. And while you do have the MC do a ton of cooking it's never really shown what others do (though we did get that neat scene in the latest chapter where they go to Axton's restaurant and the menu didn't have prices because if you had to ask you couldn't afford to eat there). Everyone just eats her food and tells her it's great. Compare that to TWI where we saw Erin and Lyonette struggle to learn and improve their cooking and use it to support themselves, with Lyonette showing a ton of character development especially, and Tori just kinda coasts along. Narmi fucked around with this message at 11:27 on Dec 19, 2021 |
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Did that Mother of learning guy ever do anything new or did he stop writing? It's been 22 months since he posted the afterword on royal road, but maybe he's posting elsewhere?
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Mulozon Empuri posted:Did that Mother of learning guy ever do anything new or did he stop writing? It's been 22 months since he posted the afterword on royal road, but maybe he's posting elsewhere? He got a publisher and cleaned up MoL and is currently putting it out as books on Amazon. First volume just came out and only covers a fraction of the story so I imagine he'll be busy with that for a while.
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Dec 19, 2021 18:23
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He's also... writing AU fanfic of his own story on RR 
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That sounds a lot better than zenith of sorcery
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He's posted the first two chapters of Zenith of Sorcery on patreon, as well as some updates on how he's progressing, though the past few updates have been about publishing MoL. His current plan is to have the first four chapters of ZoS done by the end of the year before he posts them, but he's also said that he's writing slower than he'd hoped, and will probably do rewrites before he's satisfied. Narmi fucked around with this message at 19:46 on Dec 19, 2021 |
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Cicero posted:TUTBAD 58: Hell yeah, ”Anyspoon” is now canon.
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Zore posted:The story does weird things to you when you realize you're cheering for a giant insect who welded dead human bodies onto himself as ablative armor so he could slaughter a bunch of people rebelling against a horrifying empire. I cannot wait for Svera to learn more about why her colony is being set to kill these specific humans and how she ends up dealing with that. Its also interesting to be in another bug's head, especially as they seem to be developing more individuality as their exposure to weird human behavior grows. I'm excited to see how the individuals develope since putting self over colony is considered frenzy and they are immediately killed and even the remains are isolated. I'm sure that will need to be addressed at some point and maybe a source of internal conflict for the colony.
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pirateaba is crazy but we all love her
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It's about Cara which would explain why there have been next to no chapters about her even though she seemed to be a very important character in the world.
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loving lol the most pirateaba thing
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Pirateaba is loving insane But yeah it explains why we've seen practically gently caress all of Cara despite her ostensibly being extremely well known for an earther in Terandria and having had her own Erin-esque adventures
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Zore posted:The story does weird things to you when you realize you're cheering for a giant insect who welded dead human bodies onto himself as ablative armor so he could slaughter a bunch of people rebelling against a horrifying empire. I cannot wait for Svera to learn more about why her colony is being set to kill these specific humans and how she ends up dealing with that. Its also interesting to be in another bug's head, especially as they seem to be developing more individuality as their exposure to weird human behavior grows. i doubt skthveraachk would be particularly moved by the the cause she is fighting for being manifestedly unjust, she absolutely comprehends simply by the nature of being forced to be the shock troopers of the sovereignty what's actually very interesting to me is that all of the members of the colonial do have a sense of individuality, its just very skewed compared to the sort we know. the drone strapped to the soldier's head was fully aware of the need to sacrifice herself, but she both justified it, and was exalted by the other members, out of need to protect the colony. also the way they use memories to improvise and have discussions about how to overcome obstacles by referencing parts of the song is incredibly neat
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God loving dammit pirateaba you're supposed to be taking care of yourself. 
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The Shortest Path posted:God loving dammit pirateaba you're supposed to be taking care of yourself. Yeah, it's always an ongoing fear that pirateaba is going to burn out or develop some really severe hand and wrist problems before finishing TWI.
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im still waiting for Pith Guy to come back who randomly hosed themselves up with RSI right when it was getting good lol.
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On the bright side, the author of Breaker of Horizons is back 
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Larry Parrish posted:im still waiting for Pith Guy to come back who randomly hosed themselves up with RSI right when it was getting good lol. Well, funny about that quote:madwhitesnake — Today at 7:05 PM
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Mazerunner posted:Well, funny about that Yeah I just saw that lol. F. Hopefully they got a publisher already lined up.
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That's, what, three Goon web serials going trad now?
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I feel more and more like I'm the only web serial author in the format because I don't like tradpub.
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Pirateaba: Hey! Patreon only announcement! Please don't leak it to the general public. Peachfart: Lol nah lemme just spread patreon-only content all over >_> Comeon. People generally don't spoil other creator's patreon-exclusive content, why you gotta do it here? Selkie Myth fucked around with this message at 13:57 on Dec 21, 2021 |
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