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Xakura posted:strong Finnish air force energy this. the ok hand symbol and the swastika are comparable. practically the sam erthing frankly.
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# ? Jan 9, 2022 21:58 |
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Weird getting lectured that context matters, then having it said a gesture can only ever represent one single thing ever in the same post. You can send your hot takes to the ADL and have this egregious injustice corrected if you want. Either way, poo poo was a couple years ago and would be outdated by now, so it's not like I actually care to argue if it's still a dogwhistle now. Pepe the frog was a big alt thing in 2016, but it's still used often on twitch and streamer VODs now and I don't think they intend it that way there either since it doesn't align with their personalities or how they're using it. The underlying point is the same idea as the example of people posting black person emojis whenever there's a black player streaming could be racist, but none of you took issue with that. There's also nothing inherently racist about a watermelon emoji either, but it can totally be used in a racist way.
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# ? Jan 9, 2022 22:14 |
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yook posted:Weird getting lectured that context matters, then having it said a gesture can only ever represent one single thing ever in the same post. You can send your hot takes to the ADL and have this egregious injustice corrected if you want. The entire point of the OK thing was "let's laugh at idiot leftists freaking out over something incredibly stupid and mundane".
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# ? Jan 9, 2022 22:20 |
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yook posted:The underlying point is the same idea as the example of people posting black person emojis whenever there's a black player streaming could be racist, but none of you took issue with that. There's also nothing inherently racist about a watermelon emoji either, but it can totally be used in a racist way. yeah who could possibly work out what the difference is between these examples and the ok symbol. truly an impossible task. guess theyre the same then.
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# ? Jan 9, 2022 22:21 |
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weird
16-bit Butt-Head fucked around with this message at 23:10 on Jan 9, 2022 |
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Lol you all are seriously replying to stux and endorph. Goons will fall for anything (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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CharlestheHammer posted:Lol you all are seriously replying to stux and endorph. but they arent wrong? the okay hand sign is not racist or tied to white supremacy unless you want it to be and you shouldnt want it be 16-bit Butt-Head fucked around with this message at 23:10 on Jan 9, 2022 |
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Racists sometimes use it as a racist thing and most people use it as a not-racist thing and it's almost always very easy to tell which you're looking at.
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# ? Jan 10, 2022 00:29 |
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Quibbling over the ok sign is very far from this threads purpose. Please move on.
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# ? Jan 10, 2022 00:33 |
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CharlestheHammer posted:Lol you all are seriously replying to stux and endorph. stux and endorph are literally two of the most good-faith-only posters in games?? unlike you so i guess joke's on me.
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# ? Jan 10, 2022 01:20 |
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I hope it's not considered continuing the derail to point out that pepe emotes are a good example of something that can actually be used as a "bigots are safe here" emote with plausible deniability. They're more generally a hate symbol in that they've been heavily co-opted by the alt-right and were disowned by the creator for that reason, and can and are easily used to "test the boundaries" of a stream - I'm a mod for a few streams including one that's partnered, and I definitely notice that new chatters who end up being a problem often tend to use certain emotes like pepes or kappas, so I treat them as a red flag. They often seem to be seeing what they can get away with before pushing more outright boundaries. Banning those symbols is another way, along with proactive anti-bigotry messaging, to flag "we don't want your kind here" to those individuals. I know they're used by some people with good intentions, and a lot of partnered streamers have their own variations on them, but several twitch channels I frequent actually disable those emotes outright or replaced them with something else to discourage use, like a speech bubble saying "Please ban me" (for pepes, because those are not native to Twitch - they're from a third party extension, so you can change what shows up). It's done good work. That is an example of a good worthwhile emote ban that is not easily replaced by another imo.
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# ? Jan 10, 2022 01:51 |
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most people who use the cartoon frog on twitch are not dog whistling
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# ? Jan 10, 2022 01:59 |
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Tiny Myers posted:I hope it's not considered continuing the derail to point out that pepe emotes are a good example of something that can actually be used as a "bigots are safe here" emote with plausible deniability. agreed 100%. last night i was wa tching jerma and there were TONSOf pepes in the chat, which i felt was pretty sus on its own, but then he himself said "monkas" and i realised i was watching a nazi channel and closed the tab. hope twitch does something about these sickos.
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# ? Jan 10, 2022 02:05 |
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context literally isn't real and doesn't exist, it cantr hurt you
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# ? Jan 10, 2022 02:19 |
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Tiny Myers posted:I'm a mod for a few streams including one that's partnered, and I definitely notice that new chatters who end up being a problem often tend to use certain emotes like pepes or kappas, (...) They often seem to be seeing what they can get away with before pushing more outright boundaries Tiny Myers posted:I know they're used by some people with good intentions, and a lot of partnered streamers have their own variations on them,
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# ? Jan 10, 2022 02:21 |
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SirSamVimes posted:most people who use the cartoon frog on twitch are not dog whistling dogs can't even whistle you fool
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# ? Jan 10, 2022 02:25 |
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literally every terminally online zoomer uses pepes
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# ? Jan 10, 2022 02:26 |
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pepe being labeled a hate symbol was a really stupid overreaction and just led to nazi's trying harder to claim him as their own. just use the frog if you want too because any sane person should be able to tell the difference between a regular cartoon frog and a racist cartoon frog using simple logic and context
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# ? Jan 10, 2022 02:29 |
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:pepe being labeled a hate symbol was a really stupid overreaction and just led to nazi's trying harder to claim him as their own. just use the frog if you want too because any sane person should be able to tell the difference between a regular cartoon frog and a racist cartoon frog using simple logic and context While I agree with you in theory, in practice people are not nearly as sane as you think they are and will not care about logic and context, and constantly harping that they should will not change that. Most people believe what they're told and take things at exact face value, and that includes symbols that "logically" are totally innocent like the Swastika, Pepe, and that hand sign, so we need to treat them appropriately and not just assume the best of the online masses.
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e: uhh this was the wrong thread.
Acerbatus fucked around with this message at 03:01 on Jan 10, 2022 |
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With XIV, my understanding is that they actually did try to get more servers in anticipation of the expansion launch spike, but there were literally none (not even at grossly marked up prices) to be had.
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Acerbatus posted:e: uhh this was the wrong thread. No wait come back it's better then pepe chat
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# ? Jan 10, 2022 03:04 |
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The FF14 servers were expected to explode, but the global supply chain means they couldn't buy the physical hardware. Stopping sales is a bad look, but that plus the free game time is probably the best thing they could have done for the people who'd already spent money and couldn't play. Maybe they offered refunds, too, I forget. FF7R sounds like a mess, apparently the pc port was supposed to break new ground with $70 as the new normal for games, but the frame rate can take a poo poo when the camera whips around too fast. Their CEO's new year's statement was a bunch of whacking off about the glorious future of NFTs and blockchain games, so prepare for fun with that. Moola posted:dogs can't even whistle you fool yook fucked around with this message at 03:16 on Jan 10, 2022 |
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square has been badly mismanaged all the way back to before the merger with Enix and has nearly gone bankrupt multiple times. it owns lol
16-bit Butt-Head fucked around with this message at 03:22 on Jan 10, 2022 |
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square is one of those companies that has always succeeded in spite of itself. the history behind final fantasy, the progenitor of a flagship series and arguably one of the most influential videogames of all time, is hilarious:Wikipedia posted:Hironobu Sakaguchi had intended to make a role-playing game (RPG) for a long time, but his employer Square refused to give him permission as it expected low sales of such a product. However, when the RPG Dragon Quest was released and proved to be a hit in Japan, the company reconsidered its stance on the genre and approved Sakaguchi's vision of an RPG inspired by Ultima and Wizardry.[9] Only three of his colleagues volunteered to join this project headed by him because he was thought of as a "rough boss" in spite of his unsuccessful creations. Eventually, Final Fantasy was developed by a team of seven core staff members within Square referred to as the "A-Team". Also Wikipedia posted:When the project started to show promise, designer Hiromichi Tanaka and his "B-Team" joined to aid development. The lack of faith in Sakaguchi's team, as well as its unpopularity within the company, motivated the staff members to give their best.
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# ? Jan 10, 2022 03:40 |
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it is genuinely hilarious how many times SE has self owned Sideshow Bob style, Spirits Within and FFXIV 1.0 being the most obvious examples also, consider that apparently some of the sub fee profits from FFXIV go toward funding new games. So while 14 is raking in money, it sometimes is just directly funnelled down the toilet to make the videogame equivalents of The Room, with The Quiet Man and then Balan Wonderworld lol
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# ? Jan 10, 2022 04:00 |
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Good imo.
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Moola posted:it is genuinely hilarious how many times SE has self owned Sideshow Bob style, Spirits Within and FFXIV 1.0 being the most obvious examples Don't forget The Avengers!
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# ? Jan 10, 2022 04:12 |
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FF14 money is being funneled down the NFT toilet which is some poo poo
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# ? Jan 10, 2022 04:16 |
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Hopefully everybody yelling at them about how much they suck will get them to pull away from nft garbage.
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Hunter Noventa posted:Don't forget The Avengers! I keep forgetting this game exists And I own it and beat it lol
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Golden Goat posted:Hopefully everybody yelling at them about how much they suck will get them to pull away from nft garbage. Isn't it the CEO leading the charge towards NFTs? Much like with Ubisoft anything short of taxes and regulations on the items will only encourage them to try harder. Like angry investors could literally invade their office to beat them black and blue and that would just further convince them they're more right. And the only reasons taxes and regulations will work is because that's what they're trying to avoid yook posted:yes they can its called a fart It's true: dogs are champion farters!
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Alkydere posted:Isn't it the CEO leading the charge towards NFTs? Much like with Ubisoft anything short of taxes and regulations on the items will only encourage them to try harder. Like angry investors could literally invade their office to beat them black and blue and that would just further convince them they're more right.
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I'm waiting for the metaverse implementation he promised.
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# ? Jan 10, 2022 04:53 |
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SyntheticPolygon posted:I'm waiting for the metaverse implementation he promised.
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# ? Jan 10, 2022 06:43 |
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CEOs like NFTs because they promise infinite money for doing absolutely nothing and of course big companies like the sound of that. But when every implementation is accompanied by bad press and financial loss I find it hard to imagine them not abandoning ship. I mean, yes, they are dumb for believing in NFTs for even half a second, but to them it's just the latest fad they want to get in on, not a hill to die on.
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Moola posted:it is genuinely hilarious how many times SE has self owned Sideshow Bob style, Spirits Within and FFXIV 1.0 being the most obvious examples Wasn't FFXI a massive loss too?
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# ? Jan 10, 2022 06:54 |
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No, XI made a stupid amount of money and was Squenix's biggest source of cash for a very long time, at least until somewhere around XIV in Stormblood or so when XIV took over.
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pentyne posted:Wasn't FFXI a massive loss too?
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FF11 is the third most profitable Square Enix game ever made. This is counting everything Squeenix owns the rights to, even retroactively, so Dragon Quest, Tomb Raider, Deus Ex, etc. And for reference they own the rights to Space Invaders so that's taking up the number one slot, so if you don't want to count that it's the second.
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