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FamDav posted:dude apparently really lost it marak squires has problems, yeah
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I think it was pretty nice of him to have it break immediately, rather than wait two months before activating.
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prisoner of waffles posted:marak squires has problems, yeah wait, is that seriously the same guy?
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Jan 10, 2022 16:37
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probably the funniest thing about the js package breaking things is that at no point is any js developer going to take a moment to think about "wow, if one dude 57 dependencies down the chain can commit 'crash_app()' and it breaks thousands of builds everywhere, maybe we should be slightly concerned about an entire language built on the concept of implementing basic functions as open-source micro modules and the possibility of modules that are silently evil instead of just the obvious showstoppers" i imagine that state actors love this ecosystem because all you really have to do is find one or two packages you can poke stuff into and you're tapped into millions of dumb apps that said github locking the guy out of his own account is a pretty hearty lol
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Jan 10, 2022 17:04
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i dont condone that guys lovely behavior in real life but heartily condone him taking the code offline. gently caress github caught with their pants down siding with people going "uwu but we need this code for free"
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Jan 10, 2022 17:39
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rotor posted:"he should have just quietly taken his project offline"
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Jan 10, 2022 17:46
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Gazpacho posted:why can't he seek counseling instead of huffing qanon vapours and displacing his personal issues onto the industry "The Industry" can go fornicate itself with a sharp stick
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Jan 10, 2022 18:09
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akadajet posted:wait, is that seriously the same guy? https://twitter.com/marak/status/1320465599319990272
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Jan 10, 2022 18:44
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lol nobody should be giving this whack job any money
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Jan 10, 2022 19:02
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it would be kind of maddening to be struggling with homelessness while knowing that many large companies rely on your software for day-to-day operations and/or your poo poo got stolen by some vc who flipped it into a profitable thing.
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Jan 10, 2022 19:03
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post hole digger posted:it would be kind of maddening to be struggling with homelessness while knowing that many large companies rely on your software for day-to-day operations. it kind of would be yes idk what this dudes story is but the general reaction to this by the open source "community" has been to circle the wagons to protect industry from harm soooo
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post hole digger posted:it would be kind of maddening to be struggling with homelessness while knowing that many large companies rely on your software for day-to-day operations. especially after neglecting your child and burning your house down preparing for a terrorism
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Jan 10, 2022 19:06
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post hole digger posted:it would be kind of maddening to be struggling with homelessness while knowing that many large companies rely on your software for day-to-day operations and/or your poo poo got stolen by some vc who flipped it into a profitable thing.
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Jan 10, 2022 19:17
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it's funny how little these companies would have to spend in order to get goodwill from the foss people.
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Jan 10, 2022 19:20
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FMguru posted:if you have a problem with people making money off of your work and giving you none of it...maybe dont release under a license that lets people freely reuse it and not pay you anything? right, and to facilitate this truth we should speak out against the pervasive idea of how doing open source is inherently rewarding and good.
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Jan 10, 2022 19:20
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something tells me this fella wasn't employable even if he didn't do open sores
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Jan 10, 2022 19:38
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FMguru posted:if you have a problem with people making money off of your work and giving you none of it...maybe dont release under a license that lets people freely reuse it and not pay you anything? sure. im not really defending his actions, just saying i see that as a surreal life outcome.
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FMguru posted:if you have a problem with people making money off of your work and giving you none of it...maybe dont release under a license that lets people freely reuse it and not pay you anything? I think repeatedly reminding industry that they should pay for open source support by crashing their poo poo constantly is far more likely to result in actual corporate dollars being funneled to maintainers than quietly just declining to participate in the system.
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Jan 10, 2022 20:04
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rotor posted:I think repeatedly reminding industry that they should pay for open source support by crashing their poo poo constantly is far more likely to result in actual corporate dollars being funneled to maintainers than quietly just declining to participate in the system. or people will figure out caching proxies eventually and pin their deps to a version that exists in the company repo
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rotor posted:I think repeatedly reminding industry that they should pay for open source support by crashing their poo poo constantly is far more likely to result in actual corporate dollars being funneled to maintainers than quietly just declining to participate in the system. it just means the one or two problem idiots who do this poo poo will be banned from npm. oh look, that's what happened
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Jan 10, 2022 20:47
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there are better ways to "stick it to the man" than publishing malicious javascript dependencies
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Jan 10, 2022 20:48
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akadajet posted:there are better ways to "stick it to the man" than publishing malicious javascript dependencies given the manner in which his house burnt down, I think he knew that too.
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Jan 10, 2022 20:49
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post hole digger posted:given the manner in which his house burnt down, I think he knew that too. he took "direct action" against ever being employed again
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Jan 10, 2022 20:51
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akadajet posted:there are better ways to "stick it to the man" than publishing malicious javascript dependencies I'm not so sure there are
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Jan 10, 2022 21:01
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maybe set up and advertise a business entity that companies can pay for work done, regardless how it is licensed? something that this guy likely knew how to do as a startup founder oh wait, that's something you'd do if you actually want to rise out of your predicament, not drag others into it
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Jan 10, 2022 21:18
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Gazpacho posted:maybe set up and advertise a business entity that companies can pay for work done, regardless how it is licensed? something that this guy likely knew how to do as a startup founder yeah why didn't he just solve the issue of open source authors not being paid for their work? what a slug
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Jan 10, 2022 21:21
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akadajet posted:there are better ways to "stick it to the man" than publishing malicious javascript dependencies i mean maybe not the best, but its certainly a good way to do it plus its just good in general if it discourages the use of javascript
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Jan 10, 2022 21:22
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actually, duh, the right way to do it is to throw an incredibly punitive license on it so everyone who just blindly updates gets hosed super hard and you clean up.
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Gazpacho posted:maybe set up and advertise a business entity that companies can pay for work done, regardless how it is licensed? something that this guy likely knew how to do as a startup founder approaching US healthcare levels of building solutions to problems that shouldn't exist
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on the other hand a software guild/union where anyone that isnt a dues paying member can't use the software is something that i'd be in for
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Progressive JPEG posted:on the other hand a software guild/union where anyone that isnt a dues paying member can't use the software is something that i'd be in for hmm
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Gazpacho posted:maybe set up and advertise a business entity that companies can pay for work done, regardless how it is licensed? something that this guy likely knew how to do as a startup founder since we keep circling this i will try with less sarcasm: a lot of people keep getting told that they will reap real rewards from doing open source work. build a portfolio, make something useful and it is an inherent good, you will get recognized, the successful open source people do make money, etc. etc. and it is mostly bullshit. if everyone is a perfectly rational actor recognizing a supposed objective reality, sure, they're idiots for giving poo poo away to start with expecting anything. should just set up a entity charging for the work, sure. but a lot of people are getting lied to by a lot of people (and weirdly those groups overlap heavily). which does not mean all open source is bad, or that this insane guy is good, but we at least shouldn't fool young people into devaluing their (and others) work. e: also, this may not be everyones favorite angle on this, but imagine trying to actually organize labor in this industry with scabs already at work even before a strike starts. Cybernetic Vermin fucked around with this message at 22:05 on Jan 10, 2022 |
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:since we keep circling this i will try with less sarcasm: a lot of people keep getting told that they will reap real rewards from doing open source work. build a portfolio, make something useful and it is an inherent good, you will get recognized, the successful open source people do make money, etc. etc. and it is mostly bullshit. if everyone is a perfectly rational actor recognizing a supposed objective reality, sure, they're idiots for giving poo poo away to start with expecting anything. should just set up a entity charging for the work, sure. but a lot of people are getting lied to by a lot of people (the groups overlapping heavily at that). work for exposure is bad giving away your work devalues the work of others doing volunteer work for facebook is bad
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:since we keep circling this i will try with less sarcasm: a lot of people keep getting told that they will reap real rewards from doing open source work. build a portfolio, make something useful and it is an inherent good, you will get recognized, the successful open source people do make money, etc. etc. and it is mostly bullshit. if everyone is a perfectly rational actor recognizing a supposed objective reality, sure, they're idiots for giving poo poo away to start with expecting anything. should just set up a entity charging for the work, sure. but a lot of people are getting lied to by a lot of people (and weirdly those groups overlap heavily).
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:a lot of people keep getting told that they will reap real rewards from doing open source work. build a portfolio, make something useful and it is an inherent good, you will get recognized, the successful open source people do make money, etc. etc. it sounds like this dude did get recognized. it’s just that he got recognized as a crazy idiot who nobody wants to employ. and that was before this latest poo poo
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rjmccall posted:it sounds like this dude did get recognized. it’s just that he got recognized as a crazy idiot who nobody wants to employ. and that was before this latest poo poo seems to me like the open source economy has provided a niche for shitlords who can't work with other people but are ok at touching computer to be temporarily useful
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FWIW i split the difference with stuff where the source is technically available for "portfolio"/showing off purposes but it's all istp stuff that's not relevant to commercial interests, while also using a poison pill license on top of that just in case so the work is technically "exposed" (since i like showing it off anyway) but it's not given away
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also quick ad for sourcehut which fits this model really well because: - the issue tracker is your personal TODO list, not someone else's way to get free work. user reports can only be sent via mailing lists - mailing lists are an optional feature and you can just have repos that effectively don't accept bug reports
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Progressive JPEG posted:also quick ad for sourcehut which fits this model really well because:
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FMguru posted:what about a repo that responds to every bug report with "lol. lmao."? could you implement that functionality? github actions allow you to do that pretty easily
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