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dioxazine posted:talk about sunk cost, but at the same time yeah.. that's just something you don't do on your first day it wasn't so much that he wanted to work super hard it was more he was brought in to be a pretty high level / competent developer and once he actually saw our stack he had, understandably, A LOT of questions in hindsight the CTO was blatantly using the company as his own playground to groom his resume to springboard off to somewhere else. we had the worst case of 'not invented here' syndrome i've ever seen. we had our own inferior internally built version of spring. we had our own inferior internally built version of jenkins. i'm honestly surprised the guy didn't try to get our offshore team to make our own source control tool too. the company itself wasn't billing itself as a tech company at all. we just offered a SaaS for international trade orchestration / compliance. the companies buying our stuff didn't care about being able to use our stuff to spin up god knows what, they just wanted their shipments / tracking to be accurate. everything, EVERYTHING, in our stack was simultaneously way overengineered for what we needed it to do while also being pathetically inferior to other standard free products out there on the market. it had its own custom built task scheduler, messaging system, loving DEADLOCK detection, etc. and that's just the backend. i didn't touch the front end that much but it was just as much if not more of a nightmare. unsurprisingly the more these tools were built out the more brittle and unstable the entire product was getting to the point that it would take me a week of wrestling with the engineering team to get a single field to update so yeah. according to legend the meeting started out with him just wanting to understand what he was looking at and it slowly transformed into the 'senior developers first day' version of this gif  honestly the guy probably wanted to be fired after realizing the mess he'd been suckered into. if my younger self was wiser when i was working there i would have gotten out asap too
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PIZZA.BAT posted:the cto did springboard off to amazon, too. lol! well I wouldn’t want to work at a company with such a dumpster fire of a backend, can’t say I blame him
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PIZZA.BAT posted:it wasn't so much that he wanted to work super hard it was more he was brought in to be a pretty high level / competent developer and once he actually saw our stack he had, understandably, A LOT of questions oh wow, that sounds like a lot of pre-existing baggage for the company. i've experienced the whole building more stuff on top of a garbage pile so that everything explodes eventually, i don't think that's overly uncommon.. but having your CTO purposely sabotage the show is something else
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PIZZA.BAT posted:it wasn't so much that he wanted to work super hard it was more he was brought in to be a pretty high level / competent developer and once he actually saw our stack he had, understandably, A LOT of questions
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cjs: have things that need to get done, but it's all hazy and undefined. would be nice to have a specific thing i could talk about during my one-on-one this morning 
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dioxazine posted:oh wow, that sounds like a lot of pre-existing baggage for the company. i've experienced the whole building more stuff on top of a garbage pile so that everything explodes eventually, i don't think that's overly uncommon.. but having your CTO purposely sabotage the show is something else we had a cto who was an early investor in a startup, uh, influence our decision to use that startup's tech as the core of one of our entire product lines. and it was a crapshow, lol.
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jesus WEP posted:there are people who get to be seniors by sitting in the same chair for 5 years copy pasting poo poo from stackoverflow please don’t reveal me like this
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$10,000 for copying stack overflow $80,000 for knowing which articles to copy $90,000 for knowing which articles not to copy
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Captain Foo posted:$10,000 for copying stack overflow lol also 
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bob dobbs is dead posted:bigger charlatan ratio than any engineering discipline, you mean they exist. as far as I can tell they must have cheated their way through school
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FAT32 SHAMER posted:I interviewed a guy on camera and we decided to hire him and then some other guy who was not the guy I interviewed showed up for his first day and I was like who the gently caress are you and we had him escorted out of the building lol
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Captain Foo posted:$10,000 for copying stack overflow
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FAT32 SHAMER posted:I interviewed a guy on camera and we decided to hire him and then some other guy who was not the guy I interviewed showed up for his first day and I was like who the gently caress are you and we had him escorted out of the building the closest thing ive ever seen to this was hiring interns once. we had one guy show up for an interview and he seemed really annoying so we passed on him, and then 2 days later he somehow showed up for another interview again for the same position and tried to be way overconfident and idk how he got past hr that 2nd time. rejected again
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I remember, back when Experts Exchange still let me sit on interview panels, one candidate had something like six pages of resume. The rest of the panel each printed out the whole thing while I shrunk the first two pages and printed them on one sheet. The interview was over phone and involved us asking a question and the candidate telling a fifteen-minute story that didn't really answer it. At the end of the hour, the rest of the panel was like, "They seem to really know their stuff!" while I was like, "Did they? They didn't really answer anything, we barely got through half the questions, and this resume looks like they've been managing for twenty years and not doing a lick of coding." They were hired anyway and immediately started asking us why we didn't do X or have we tried Y and all that. I told them it'd be great if the existing crap code supported X and Y, but no, we have to do Z. A few weeks later, their first PR comes in, loaded up with X and Y. They didn't make it past their six-month probation or whatever. Experts Exchange was still not the worst onboarding environment I've seen.
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i do not program the computer, op
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rotor posted:boots, webos, tall, old, that's pretty much my entire brand right there i also heard you have great hair but that is apparently not the case?!?
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Jan 11, 2022 16:53
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my hair is great because i havent any
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i have both bed head and perfect hair every day and nobody can tell the diff
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jesus WEP posted:there are people who get to be seniors by sitting in the same chair for 5 years copy pasting poo poo from stackoverflow The senior people in my old department are 50% this, and 50% the type of people who could come out with the entire design and codebase for complex things in a week.
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I'd like a better job but I am so bad at whiteboarding, my brain actively shuts down. I don't have many problems doing stuff like leetcode or even the problems after the interview. At the only interview I ever had to do, I just walked through a problem with the interviewee. We talked about design, did some pseudocode, and some actual code for some of the more complex chunks. They ended up joining another company for way more money so good on them.
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born on a buy you posted:I’ve started to break the ice by asking them to reverse a string with access to all of the standard libraries. people still avoid just saying .reverse() lmao I answered this question with an algorithm answer once and was cajoled into saying reverse() eventually. the interviewer asked why I hadn't said that first and I replied "because this is a job interview." seemed to be a satisfactory answer
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i always just assumed that once i got to CTO of someplace my next move would be to retire. seems like any position at amazon would be a downgrade from being the literal top of the tech org of anywhere
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Corla Plankun posted:i always just assumed that once i got to CTO of someplace my next move would be to retire. seems like any position at amazon would be a downgrade from being the literal top of the tech org of anywhere old cto went to be a director at facebook. and he was a cto at a bunch of other places. it was very confusing. we still don't have a new cto and the ceo is resiging today at 12! this place is doing great!
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Corla Plankun posted:i always just assumed that once i got to CTO of someplace my next move would be to retire. seems like any position at amazon would be a downgrade from being the literal top of the tech org of anywhere i'm now making more still as an individual contributor than he probably was as the cto of that place
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drat that's young for a CEO
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i dont particularly ever want to be in any kind of management position much less some kind of CTO or a director, unless the role involved me managing code or design and not people i think they call that an "architect" nowadays though
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CPColin posted:drat that's young for a CEO I have digital archives of the old Computer Gaming World magazine and since it was sort of a trade mag back in the day they covered the business of video games and entertainment in general. It was cool to read an issue from 1989 and see how all these CEOs they brought up from all sorts of companies including airlines and media conglomerates were in their late 30s/early 40s.
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lol ceo is out next week for a great opportunity as a cmo elsewhere. totally normal. definitely not forced out by parent co.
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i just wanna be a lackey the rest of my life while making money - which is what im doing now and its good
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its easy to be a young ceo if you do a startup
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Penisface posted:its easy to be a young ceo if you do a startup yeah, ive been an entrepreneur and a job creator ever since i began remote consulting
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Vintersorg posted:i just wanna be a lackey the rest of my life 
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Cat Face Joe posted:i also heard you have great hair but that is apparently not the case?!? I used to, but most of if is gone now, 
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Vintersorg posted:i just wanna be a lackey the rest of my life This, except I wouldn't mind skipping the middle management level entirely for the exec level.
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bob dobbs is dead posted:bigger charlatan ratio than any engineering discipline, you mean when you have a very lucrative field with no acknowledged standards body saying who is competent this is exactly what you get. Since there's no journeyman programmer exam, every hiring manager has to administer their own hosed up version locally.
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squeeze hard for figs, be ambivalent about titles imo
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bob dobbs is dead posted:squeeze hard for figs, be ambivalent about titles imo this is backwards imo
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why would you want more responsibilities for less pay
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