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infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

Nomnom Cookie posted:

well, what the gently caress are you posting about

an oddly sanctimonious muppet insisting that no one will ever drill into their roof.

grover would have been cool with it

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Nomnom Cookie
Aug 30, 2009



infernal machines posted:

an oddly sanctimonious muppet insisting that no one will ever drill into their roof.

grover would have been cool with it

grover is a piece of poo poo and if you ever listen to him you deserve whatever you get from it

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.
Grover is one of the few goons who built himself a house and moved in

as far as goon project goes, he beat out the yoga retreat and the Syrian journalist sniper medic, but came short of the tree punk child macerator

The_Franz
Aug 8, 2003

infernal machines posted:

an oddly sanctimonious muppet insisting that no one will ever drill into their roof.

grover would have been cool with it

Can a drywall roof support solar panels?

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
for a while at least, probably.

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through
depends on how often it rains

Just a Moron
Nov 11, 2021

Endless Mike posted:

embedded windows 11 and everything is a UWP app imo

Yeah but then you're using windows...

If I had some time to learn and experiment I would want to try it with a pared down Linux-based OS. The OS would handle safety critical information output directly. I'm assuming there are some good libraries for interfacing with the CAN bus. The actual UI for safety critical info could probably reasonably be a C++ based Qt project, maybe some other F/OSS GUI framework. That info would be an always present top/bottom/side bar. Safety critical input should always have a separate, discrete, tactile input mechanism like a button or switch so maybe or maybe not include it in the touch screen.

Everything else that could otherwise be considered fail-safe would go into its own separate process that's an abstraction level higher, so something like a .NET application or gently caress it even a JS webbrowser based solution, who cares. Set it up so the operator can trigger an infotainment system restart that leaves safety critical displays intact.

El Mero Mero
Oct 13, 2001

solar roof tiles seem like such a nightmare. It's like "we could install this thing with 10 interlocking parts and mostly isolate it from the other critical parts of your house...but what if we made it 1,500 interlocking parts and if it fails you're also suddenly homeless because you need some specialist to repair it instead of some dude with a hammer, some tar, and a blowtorch."

Powerful Two-Hander
Mar 10, 2004

Mods please change my name to "Tooter Skeleton" TIA.


I'm kind of surprised musk hasn't "promised" a space based solar collector yet. "It'll beam the power right to your house!!"

go play outside Skyler
Nov 7, 2005


how do these roof tiles actually connect electrically to each other? do you actually need to run wires with connectors between each single tile? do they have some kind of snap on connector thing that make them snap to each other? how do you deal with weird roof shapes?

it does seem really dumb and unnecessarily complex but i can see it being pushed here in switzerland where we have super strict building codes for the aesthetics of houses

4lokos basilisk
Jul 17, 2008


go play outside Skyler posted:

how do these roof tiles actually connect electrically to each other? do you actually need to run wires with connectors between each single tile? do they have some kind of snap on connector thing that make them snap to each other? how do you deal with weird roof shapes?

it does seem really dumb and unnecessarily complex but i can see it being pushed here in switzerland where we have super strict building codes for the aesthetics of houses

lightning cables, duh

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

-~Skullwave~-

Juul-Whip posted:

don't solar panels need to be perpendicular to the sun's rays to work at max efficiency? meaning solar roof tiles work as well as a regular panel only if your home is at the same angle and roof slope you'd put the regular panel at

if you want maximum efficiency you have to calculate the sun's apparent position for your location and date/time and continuously orient the solar panels towards it (this is a surprisingly tricky calculation in the general case, although you can get an estimate to within a fraction of a degree for the next few decades, which is good enough). roof solar panels are never going to achieve the maximum possible irradiance but you don't necessarily need that - especially in high latitudes the angle to the sun varies a lot throughout the year but static panels can still be worthwhile.

longyearbyen airport (at 78°N) for instance has a useful solar installation even though the sun is below the horizon for five months straight every year

Nfcknblvbl
Jul 15, 2002

my local energy company has a couple of these at their headquarters along with a free ccs/chademo 64 kw dcfc station

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SqdssSINiM

pretty neat but i bet its crazy expensive

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR7OFzPQ4PU

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.
I’m the moving parts

Nfcknblvbl
Jul 15, 2002

charging my bike at the mentioned free dcfc spot

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through

El Mero Mero posted:

solar roof tiles seem like such a nightmare. It's like "we could install this thing with 10 interlocking parts and mostly isolate it from the other critical parts of your house...but what if we made it 1,500 interlocking parts and if it fails you're also suddenly homeless because you need some specialist to repair it instead of some dude with a hammer, some tar, and a blowtorch."

the discussion earlier was about roofing companies installing solar that gets installed by a dude with a hammer, some tar, and a blowtorch.

“suddenly homeless” like dude do you think people who get their houses reshingled are also homeless

the solar tiles are not being installed as structural supports and probably aren’t going. to burst into flame unless you buy something from musk

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through
anyway if you have money you should just shut up and get real proper panels installed

and if you don’t maybe this new idea will bring it down to more affordable levels

Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003



pretty sure this tweet will be in the divorce papers
https://twitter.com/Eric714/status/1480235302463680523?s=20

gschmidl
Sep 3, 2011

watch with knife hands

A year.

Just-In-Timeberlake
Aug 18, 2003

go play outside Skyler posted:

how do these roof tiles actually connect electrically to each other? do you actually need to run wires with connectors between each single tile? do they have some kind of snap on connector thing that make them snap to each other? how do you deal with weird roof shapes?

it does seem really dumb and unnecessarily complex but i can see it being pushed here in switzerland where we have super strict building codes for the aesthetics of houses

I hope they wire them in series so if one breaks you have to test them all like the Christmas tree lights of yore.

Agile Vector
May 21, 2007

scrum bored



Nfcknblvbl posted:

charging my bike at the mentioned free dcfc spot



why are you always unplugging your phone cable, travis, you got a charge port in that thing?

Nomnom Cookie
Aug 30, 2009



also idk how old my roof is so i don't want to get solar installed and then 5 years later pay to get it all taken down while the roof is replaced. plus with ground mount solar ive got a good excuse to replace a shitload of high-maintenance lawn with low-maintenance gravel

mrmcd
Feb 22, 2003

Pictured: The only good cop (a fictional one).

Nfcknblvbl posted:

my local energy company has a couple of these at their headquarters along with a free ccs/chademo 64 kw dcfc station

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SqdssSINiM

pretty neat but i bet its crazy expensive

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR7OFzPQ4PU

I mean these probably cost 10x the cost of an equivalent kWh static panel for 10% more output. It's main purpose is being an advertisement for solar panels.

Edit: why the gently caress does it need to fold up at night? Real flowers do that for plant and pollinator reasons this isn't a concern for silicon panels.

mrmcd fucked around with this message at 05:08 on Jan 12, 2022

Nfcknblvbl
Jul 15, 2002

they fold in to clean themselves apparently

Zamujasa
Oct 27, 2010



Bread Liar
car infotainment should imo be on andoid tablets with stripped down firmware. include only what the infotainment poo poo needs. hook up to the car systems but only as a secondary source of input, use physical buttons and controls for poo poo like a/c, wipers, etc. the dashboard / instrument cluster should either be embedded-application single-purpose poo poo or more traditional displays for speed and important vehicle info (gas, etc). warning and indicator lights should always have a real bulb on the dashboard but a duplicate one on whatever the main display is fine. like if you show the tpms light and the dashboard screen shows "[tpms] check tire pressure: rear left 4.20psi" that's good. nothing critical should be reliant on poo poo more complicated design-wise than an 1984 NES


The_Franz posted:

Can a drywall roof support solar panels?

with the correct insulation, perhaps

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

Anime Deviant

Nomnom Cookie posted:

also idk how old my roof is so i don't want to get solar installed and then 5 years later pay to get it all taken down while the roof is replaced. plus with ground mount solar ive got a good excuse to replace a shitload of high-maintenance lawn with low-maintenance gravel
Some installers will include a one-time takedown/reinstall if it involves reshingling a roof, fyi.

Apex Rogers
Jun 12, 2006

disturbingly functional

https://twitter.com/drmistercody/status/1481137204357316614?s=21

this looks safe and normal

Nfcknblvbl
Jul 15, 2002

the guy logged into some people's accounts that had been hacked in various sites. it's a pretty good example that tesla should enforce mfa

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



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i'm a page and a half late but 'solar roofs' are loving stupid and bad.

When you get a hole or leak in your roof, you do not want to have to hunt down the guy who is both adept at tarring up leaks AND officially certified™ to work on your particular brand of solar roof tiles to avoid a warranty void or (in solarcity's case), loving Fire.

when you have a problem with your solar panels, you want to get a technician out there who is an expert at solar panels.

People that scream and howl about SoLaR pAnElS aRe uGlY > : ( are dumb and bad and wrong. That is all.

wolrah
May 8, 2006
what?
A well timed article given the recent infotainment architecture discussion: https://arstechnica.com/cars/2022/01/with-qualcomm-and-android-the-polestar-3-is-more-smartphone-like-than-ever/

With this particularly relevant quote about the instrument cluster integration:

quote:

But about the Gen 3's extra features: it has upgraded RF capabilities like Wi-Fi 6, 5G, and newer Bluetooth, which you couldn't get on the Snapdragon 820. Supporting a car, especially an Android car, also means needing support for virtualization. Android can run the infotainment system, but something else needs to run the gauge cluster display behind the steering wheel. Safety regulations mandate that the gauge cluster can't run Android. Android isn't a real-time OS, meaning it can lag if the processor is too slow, and that's not allowed for critical driving components like the speedometer. The solution is to have the Snapdragon 820 run two OSes via virtualization, with Android running the center infotainment screen and some other OS running the gauge cluster display. Android can still send the gauge cluster a UI overlay for things like media info and Google Maps information, but the speedo is off-limits.

So at least in the Qualcomm/Google/Polestar configuration Android runs the center display while the instrument cluster runs a RTOS and can receive data from the Android side.

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



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quote:

Supporting a car, especially an Android car, also means needing support for virtualization.

I am old and officially out of touch. i hate this.

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

I know what they mean, but honestly it is kind of amusing to me that this speedometer is always the example they give of a critical instrument. It's like the least important instrument on your dashboard.

I would put the oil pressure lamp or gauge, coolant temperature gauge, high beam indicator, turn signal indicator, and tachometer all ahead of a speedometer in importance.

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



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the buffering circuits on things like coolant temp and oil pressure bother me. Like, don't lie to me "oh i'm carefully reading out the engine temp like a good little circuit and would ya look at that, i'm always dead center, except when the needle rises or drops, which means that your head gasket got blown or your bearings got spun 15 seconds ago". Just bring back the idiot light. my bmws were notorious for this. if the coolant needle moved up at all your system was full of steam or nothing already.

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

Apparently that's why cars don't come with ammeters these days, too, even if you have one fancy enough to still have electrical system gauges. Ammeters show the real time state of your electrical system, so they bounce all over the place when the car is starting, wiggle up and down in time with the windshield wipers, and rise and fall with engine speed. This is useful information -- and totally normal -- if you know what it means and are trying to keep an eye on how well your car's electrical system is performing, but apparently seeing the gauge move so much made less knowledgeable people angry because they thought the car was broken.

A voltmeter, in comparison, really only tells you your battery's state of charge, which is not that useful. But in most cases the voltmeter just goes up to 14.8 when you start the car and stays there, and that makes people happy. So now all your fancy sports cars and bro trucks and whatnot have voltmeters, but no ammeters.

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



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Yeah for sure. I am aware of the psychological reasoning behind the buffering and (astute observation) the lack of ammeters. the one in my old truck would yeet all over constantly. I still hate the poo poo out of it though.

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.

Sagebrush posted:

I know what they mean, but honestly it is kind of amusing to me that this speedometer is always the example they give of a critical instrument. It's like the least important instrument on your dashboard.

I would put the oil pressure lamp or gauge, coolant temperature gauge, high beam indicator, turn signal indicator, and tachometer all ahead of a speedometer in importance.

idk when you’re actually operating the car the speedometer is pretty important

for the average user, anything more complicated than a check engine light is useless.

Nfcknblvbl
Jul 15, 2002

it's still important to have fluid level warnings. even the average driver should know how to top off the engine oil, coolant, or wiper reservoirs

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



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idk i think that dash readouts should not equally prioritize "hey, you're out of wiper fluid" and "hey, you're out of engine oil".

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003

by Hand Knit

Jonny 290 posted:

idk i think that dash readouts should not equally prioritize "hey, you're out of wiper fluid" and "hey, you're out of engine oil".

I only discovered in the last 5 or so years that the warning lights are color coded. Red is bad, yellow/amber is get it checked at some point. Blinking of either means you're hosed.

The thing is, no one tells you this, I think I learned it from a podcast or something.

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Nfcknblvbl
Jul 15, 2002

every time my car turns on, all its warning lights flash on and off just like any car except it's on a tablet screen. makes me wonder if it's a regulatory requirement to show the driver it tests safety features prior to turning on

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