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VorpalBunny posted:Ok, so in addition to the seizing of voting machines, Trump drafted these newly released "Remarks on National Healing" in anticipation of the insurrection, where he was planning on blaming Antifa? Which shows he had foreknowledge of the insurrection and the violence that would happen, and reportedly got mad when the QAnon Shaman and Confederate Flag fools were given so much screentime which blew his cover story? Exhaustion probably. Like the final few months of the BBB stuff before it was formally killed, even the dead-eyed politics psychos like me were just exhausted and in a "oh a new story, whatever, talk to me when there's a vote held" holding pattern. I'm sure it's a big deal. Sounds bad! Let me know when somebody who organized it gets perp walked
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VorpalBunny posted:Ok, so in addition to the seizing of voting machines, Trump drafted these newly released "Remarks on National Healing" in anticipation of the insurrection, where he was planning on blaming Antifa? Which shows he had foreknowledge of the insurrection and the violence that would happen, and reportedly got mad when the QAnon Shaman and Confederate Flag fools were given so much screentime which blew his cover story? I already knew Trump and his cronies fomented an insurrection to try to steal an election. This isn't new information, and it *seems* like our government is incapable of holding ringleaders responsible.
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Bel Shazar posted:I already knew Trump and his cronies fomented an insurrection to try to steal an election. This isn't new information, and it *seems* like our government is incapable of holding ringleaders responsible. .
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VorpalBunny posted:Ok, so in addition to the seizing of voting machines, Trump drafted these newly released "Remarks on National Healing" in anticipation of the insurrection, where he was planning on blaming Antifa? Which shows he had foreknowledge of the insurrection and the violence that would happen, and reportedly got mad when the QAnon Shaman and Confederate Flag fools were given so much screentime which blew his cover story? Having written proof is great if it gets him charged and convicted, if that still doesn't happen then it's just another egregious example of how the wealthy and powerful can get away when pretty much anything.
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VorpalBunny posted:Ok, so in addition to the seizing of voting machines, Trump drafted these newly released "Remarks on National Healing" in anticipation of the insurrection, where he was planning on blaming Antifa? Which shows he had foreknowledge of the insurrection and the violence that would happen, and reportedly got mad when the QAnon Shaman and Confederate Flag fools were given so much screentime which blew his cover story? No one in government is going to do anything and D&D gets very hostile when people suggest solutions beyond voting better. Being livid and outraged won't help me.
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VorpalBunny posted:Ok, so in addition to the seizing of voting machines, Trump drafted these newly released "Remarks on National Healing" in anticipation of the insurrection, where he was planning on blaming Antifa? Which shows he had foreknowledge of the insurrection and the violence that would happen, and reportedly got mad when the QAnon Shaman and Confederate Flag fools were given so much screentime which blew his cover story? Because the big question remains: who cares? Let me rephrase. What possible difference will this make? Trump will not be punished. The republicans will not be defeated or even materially affected. No one in a position of power will be arrested. What do you imagine anyone getting livid and enraged will actually accomplish? Who's out there with the power to do ANYTHING that will actually give a poo poo about this?
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Gumball Gumption posted:No one in government is going to do anything and D&D gets very hostile when people suggest solutions beyond voting better. Being livid and outraged won't help me. Please engage with actual posters and arguments in this thread, not some nebulous D&D strawman.
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some plague rats posted:Because the big question remains: who cares? Also we're kind of back to the weird "They Almost Touched the Magic Boxes" thing. Like, okay, Trump pulls it off and seizes the Georgia ballots or Georgia finds 100K more votes for Trump. And...everyone just shrugs and agrees that that technically isn't illegal and now he gets to be president forever? It doesn't really matter what weird legal bullshit he tried or thought about trying. Either the country goes along with it or not. More details are interesting, as always, and it's interesting to see the coordination, but it's not going to fundamentally change anything and it almost certainly won't change the present.
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I’m sure poo poo like this happens all the time but just toss it on the pile I guess. https://twitter.com/joycewhitevance/status/1484867288801153033?s=21
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There is a concept in finance called, “the bezel” and it’s the point where the companies finances have degraded so that it becomes important to understand every outflow. This usually leads to discovering that the company has been a victim of embezzlement of various types for years. A similar effect seems to be in play here were the more stuff gets looked at the more fraud, coercion and bribery is uncovered. Which, most people absolutely expected but there hasn’t been an issue broad enough and interesting enough to force DOJ to actually look at it when they don’t want to. It is really going to be up to voters to keep electing people who are willing to do something about it. Whether it’s insider trading in congress, judges working cases they have financial interests in or dark money coercing elected officials to abuse their power to support an oligarchical take over of the US.
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Jan 22, 2022 14:57
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some plague rats posted:Do you think for one single honest second that any POTUS would ever willingly set a precedent that their predecessor can be prosecuted for anything at all? President Grant was arrested for speeding while in office.
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some plague rats posted:Because the big question remains: who cares? You can walk into any discussion and just say "who cares?" That's not valuable to anyone and it's not even discussing something--it's the opposite because it's dismissive. Obviously the poster cares. Obviously others discussing it cares.
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The Sean posted:You can walk into any discussion and just say "who cares?" That's not valuable to anyone and it's not even discussing something--it's the opposite because it's dismissive. It kind of is a relevant question because it's not being asked here as a way to shut down conversation. It's being reflected here while asked across the entire country as a result of nothing ever loving happening.
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The Sean posted:You can walk into any discussion and just say "who cares?" That's not valuable to anyone and it's not even discussing something--it's the opposite because it's dismissive. Let me help you out, you forgot to read the part of the post where Plague Rats put all that. quote:Let me rephrase. What possible difference will this make? Trump will not be punished. The republicans will not be defeated or even materially affected. No one in a position of power will be arrested. What do you imagine anyone getting livid and enraged will actually accomplish? Who's out there with the power to do ANYTHING that will actually give a poo poo about this? Hope it helps. As you can see it's not about being dismissive but actually a declaration of feeling powerless to do anything about this so Plague Rats really only finds it harmful to themselves to care. I generally agree, I think 1/6 is a big deal but those in power have shown they don't have a lot of interest in dealing with it and being livid and mad won't convince them. I care but honestly I'm keeping my anger for even bigger problems that I can also have an impact on and use that anger to motivate me.
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Parakeet vs. Phone posted:Also we're kind of back to the weird "They Almost Touched the Magic Boxes" thing. Like, okay, Trump pulls it off and seizes the Georgia ballots or Georgia finds 100K more votes for Trump. And...everyone just shrugs and agrees that that technically isn't illegal and now he gets to be president forever? It doesn't really matter what weird legal bullshit he tried or thought about trying. Either the country goes along with it or not. More details are interesting, as always, and it's interesting to see the coordination, but it's not going to fundamentally change anything and it almost certainly won't change the present. And finally, the bit which makes it especially hard to care is very simple - with the progression of things, Trump is gonna be back in power without any need for this sort of chicanery, so... well, hard to get worked up.
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Gumball Gumption posted:Let me help you out, you forgot to read the part of the post where Plague Rats put all that. Nope. Saying "who cares" after someone who cares says they care is definitively dismissive. That's how words work. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) Oh, no! I stood by my position and elaborated on it! That means I repeated myself. This is a debate faux pas! If someone disagrees with you in a debate you just say "well, I guess you win" and don't dare to explain how words work. That's against the rules The Sean fucked around with this message at 02:21 on Jan 24, 2022 |
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The Sean posted:Nope. Saying "who cares" after someone who cares says they care is definitively dismissive. That's how words work. It really seems like you just didn't read the rest of the post and now you're trying to cover for it. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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The Sean posted:Nope. Saying "who cares" after someone who cares says they care is definitively dismissive. That's how words work. Please go read the media thread. If you think that's how words work you obviously don't understand how you can misunderstand a signal through noise. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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I can't find a blue check confirmation, but apparently Bill Barr has testified to the 1/6 committee. I know  but this seems like it could be juicy.https://twitter.com/SmnWeekly/status/1485073392244043776
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VorpalBunny posted:I can't find a blue check confirmation, but apparently Bill Barr has testified to the 1/6 committee. I know Almost time to break out the popcorn. Barr is canny though so we’re going to have to see if he’s contrite and genuinely helpful or just making GBS threads up the waters. I want to hear the real reason Barr noped out in December, right in the heart of planning Jan 6. If Trumps own AG goes on record as he thought the acts would be an illegal conspiracy then that is going to be a serious issue for all the plotters no matter how tangential to the main effort they were. Even better if Trump gave him an ultimatum to get on the train or get out and Barr got out. Murgos fucked around with this message at 16:42 on Jan 23, 2022 |
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Murgos posted:Almost time to break out the popcorn. Barr is canny though so we’re going to have to see if he’s contrite and genuinely helpful or just making GBS threads up the waters. I've heard about some other testimonies, does someone officially release some findings or was that just stuff that "leaked" out?
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VorpalBunny posted:I can't find a blue check confirmation, but apparently Bill Barr has testified to the 1/6 committee. I know This feels like wishcasting to me. Can we get some actual confirmation?
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Yeah as much as I'd like to dream, Bill Barr is a GOP powerhouse and I doubt he'll throw anyone under the bus.
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CommieGIR posted:Yeah as much as I'd like to dream, Bill Barr is a GOP powerhouse and I doubt he'll throw anyone under the bus. Remember that Barr helped ensure that Iran-contra couldn't touch HW or Regan
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Billy Gnosis posted:Remember that Barr helped ensure that Iran-contra couldn't touch HW or Regan Precisely. The guy has a legacy of being the cleaner for multiple GOP presidencies, I doubt Trump is going to be the bridge too far for him.
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Fuschia tude posted:This feels like wishcasting to me. Can we get some actual confirmation? https://www.cbsnews.com/news/william-barr-january-6-committee-bennie-thompson-face-the-nation/?ftag=CNM-00-10aac3a quote:Washington — Congressman Bennie Thompson, chairman of the House select committee investigating the January 6 assault on the U.S. Capitol, revealed Sunday that former Attorney General William Barr has spoken with investigators.
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CommieGIR posted:Precisely. The guy has a legacy of being the cleaner for multiple GOP presidencies, I doubt Trump is going to be the bridge too far for him. Yeah but Trump isn't HW or Regan, so he wouldn't necessarily want to protect him at all cost. I wouldn't put my money on it of course but I think they're a chance he'll spill something.
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mobby_6kl posted:Yeah but Trump isn't HW or Regan, so he wouldn't necessarily want to protect him at all cost. I wouldn't put my money on it of course but I think they're a chance he'll spill something. Probably with some guarantee of immunity given Barr himself was doing some really sketchy stuff that wasn't entirely following the law.
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CommieGIR posted:Probably with some guarantee of immunity given Barr himself was doing some really sketchy stuff that wasn't entirely following the law. Barr announced his resignation on Dec 14. The day we now know was when the false electors signed their fraudulent testimonies casting ballots for Trump. That’s a hell of a coincidence.
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I buy that barr has a significant loyalty to the gop, but his time in the trump administration did not suggest that his primary loyalty was to trump. like at all. And yeah the timing of his quitting is hard to ignore and indeed the opening paragraph of his resignation letter is about the election fraud stuffquote:Dear Mr. President, i don't think barr talking to the committee automatically means trump is hosed or whatever the original tweet said, but it's certainly an interesting piece of data to throw on the pile
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VorpalBunny posted:Ok, so in addition to the seizing of voting machines, Trump drafted these newly released "Remarks on National Healing" in anticipation of the insurrection, where he was planning on blaming Antifa? Which shows he had foreknowledge of the insurrection and the violence that would happen, and reportedly got mad when the QAnon Shaman and Confederate Flag fools were given so much screentime which blew his cover story? I have a radicalized leftist activist friend that I met while traveling on hippie busses through the Trump administration, and I warned him many times about qanon, and he still got catfished by an insane qanon lady and they went together to the Jan 6 riot and I'm pretty sure he was deliberately targeted and brought there to be someone they could scapegoat in an effort to shift the Overton window at exactly the moment you describe. He and I don't talk anymore, and I kinda did everything I could to tear him down and raise alarms, after rel posted about killing, cooking and eating a cat as bookofedith was working toward forcing a standoff between that community and the feds. Anyhow, I've suspected exactly this - the hypothesis you posit, that the Trump people had a contingency in place in advance of Jan 6th to blame antifa under a certain set of circumstances- for over a year now. And I know an 'antifa' person (more of a sea shepherd type) that got catfished into attending. I don't think the feds ever picked them up.
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A "plan" for it sounds a bit generous to me. Right wing media was just going to scream "It was antifa!" no matter what. Exactly like they did. Then before even finishing that breath they yell about just being unarmed tourists and really when you think about it political prisoners actually. But it was really FBI false flag ops to make them look bad at the event where nothing happened to look bad. It's all bullshit propaganda lies. I don't see them putting a plan together for that. Just more propaganda lies.
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Uglycat posted:I have a radicalized leftist activist friend that I met while traveling on hippie busses through the Trump administration, and I warned him many times about qanon, and he still got catfished by an insane qanon lady and they went together to the Jan 6 riot and I'm pretty sure he was deliberately targeted and brought there to be someone they could scapegoat in an effort to shift the Overton window at exactly the moment you describe. What on earth are you talking about here? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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wapo and guardian both just put pieces out on the barr cooperation https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/01/23/january-6-committee-barr/ https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jan/23/capitol-attack-committee-donald-trump-william-barr they emphasize that in particular barr was in contention with trump prior to resigning because he refused to legitimize trump's fabricated stolen election narrative
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some plague rats posted:What on earth are you talking about here? uglycat is D&D's resident RBF guy and traveling activist
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CommieGIR posted:Precisely. The guy has a legacy of being the cleaner for multiple GOP presidencies, I doubt Trump is going to be the bridge too far for him. Even if Barr turned over a treasure trove of files implicating Trump in crimes, no one is going to do anything about it. Barr's an old-time fixer and wouldn't keep records of anything incriminating to his party. "Cooperating" could just mean answering some basic questions or turning over some files that don't mean squat. I have a feeling Barr kept his distance from the shenanigans to provide plausible deniability.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:uglycat is D&D's resident RBF guy and traveling activist Not sure why spr was probed here, uglycat’s post reads as word salad to me
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Niwrad posted:Even if Barr turned over a treasure trove of files implicating Trump in crimes, no one is going to do anything about it. How close were Barr and Cheney would be my question. More importantly what might Cheney have on Barr that might ensure cooperation since it seems like Dick is interested in saving the Republican Party from itself.
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