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Weka
May 5, 2019

That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.
Holey gently caress Biden ran on holding MBS accountable for anything? He may aswell have promised to turn water into whiskey.

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ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!

Weka posted:

Holey gently caress Biden ran on holding MBS accountable for anything? He may aswell have promised to turn water into whiskey.

Pretty sure that was one of the features they promised in neom.

But not like bad Haram whiskey.

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007
reminder that one of biden's policies was a one time fee for each gun owned

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
Slippery Tilde
lol lock them the gently caress up

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1485313965177589770

isn't liz cheney on there too? lmao

Dustcat
Jan 26, 2019

H.P. Hovercraft posted:

isn't liz cheney on there too? lmao

just lol if you don't think the trumpists wouldn't murder the entire cheney family

ex post facho
Oct 25, 2007

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

even if you love the cops and want to hug & kiss them on the mouth, nobody can look at a pie chart of municipal budgets and see it as anything other than a cancerous tumor sucking the life out of city budgets.

i dare u to read this entire post :shepface:

https://www.al.com/news/2022/01/police-in-this-tiny-alabama-town-suck-drivers-into-legal-black-hole.html

quote:

Police in this tiny Alabama town suck drivers into legal ‘black hole’

Ramon Perez came to court last month ready to fight the tickets he’d been handed by Brookside police, including one for rolling through a stop sign and another for driving 48 mph in a 40 zone.

He swore he’d seen the cop from a distance and was careful as he braked.

“I saw him and we looked eye to eye,” the Chelsea business owner said. “There’s no way I was going to run that stop sign.”

When he got to court Dec. 2, he saw scores of people just like him lining up to stand before Judge Jim Wooten, complaining of penny-ante “crimes” and harassment by officers. He saw so many people trying to park in the grassy field outside the municipal building that police had to direct traffic.

He figured there was no point.

“I saw the same attitude in every officer and every person,” he said. “That’s why I hesitated to fight it. They were doing the same thing to every person that was there. They own the town.”

Perez, it appears, was right.

Months of research and dozens of interviews by AL.com found that Brookside’s finances are rocket-fueled by tickets and aggressive policing. In a two-year period between 2018 and 2020 Brookside revenues from fines and forfeitures soared more than 640 percent and now make up half the city’s total income.

And the police chief has called for more.

The town of 1,253 just north of Birmingham reported just 55 serious crimes to the state in the entire eight year period between 2011 and 2018 – none of them homicide or rape. But in 2018 it began building a police empire, hiring more and more officers to blanket its six miles of roads and mile-and-a-half jurisdiction on Interstate 22.

By 2020 Brookside made more misdemeanor arrests than it has residents. It went from towing 50 vehicles in 2018 to 789 in 2020 – each carrying fines. That’s a 1,478% increase, with 1.7 tows for every household in town.

The growth has come with trouble to match. Brookside officers have been accused in lawsuits of fabricating charges, using racist language and “making up laws” to stack counts on passersby. Defendants must pay thousands in fines and fees – or pay for costly appeals to state court – and poorer residents or passersby fall into patterns of debt they cannot easily escape.

“Brookside is a poster child for policing for profit,” said Carla Crowder, the director of Alabama Appleseed Center for Law & Justice, a nonprofit devoted to justice and equity. “We are not safer because of it.”

“It could be more”

Brookside now faces at least five lawsuits. Advocates for justice reform, cops in other jurisdictions, even Jefferson County’s top law enforcement officials, have begun to question the town’s tactics, and its need for an expanding force.

“It’s my understanding that a guy can go out there and I mean, he can fall into a black hole,” Jefferson County District Attorney Danny Carr said of drivers getting entangled financially. “You know, we’ve had a lot of issues with Brookside.”

Jefferson County Sheriff Mark Pettway said the same.

“We get calls about Brookside quite regularly because they really go outside their jurisdiction to stop people,” Pettway said. “Most of the time people get stopped, they’re going to get a ticket. And they’re saying they were nowhere near Brookside.”

Police stops soared between 2018 and 2020. Fines and forfeitures – seizures of cars during traffic stops, among other things – doubled from 2018 to 2019. In 2020 they came to $610,000. That’s 49% of the small town’s skyrocketing revenue.

“This is shocking,” said Crowder. “No one can objectively look at this and conclude this is good government that is keeping us safer.”

Because people overwhelmed by debt have been shown to turn to crime to pay their fines “an argument can be made that this kind of policing creates crime,” Crowder said.

Brookside Police Chief Mike Jones, who spearheaded the change and grew the police department tenfold, at least, calls the town’s policing “a positive story.” Mayor Mike Bryan – a former councilman who assumed his position last year after the death of the previous mayor – sits and nods in agreement.

Jones said crime when he took over was higher than it appeared from numbers the town reported to the state. He said response times were long because Brookside often had to rely on the Jefferson County Sheriff’s department for service.

He said he’d like to see even more growth in revenue from fines and forfeitures.

“I see a 600% increase – that’s a failure. If you had more officers and more productivity you’d have more,” Jones said. “We don’t like writing tickets.”

‘99 percent of them are lying’

Yet that is hard to swallow for those who line up for court and face financial ruin because of citations. Like those on Dec. 2.

John Walker was stopped in Brookside for following too closely.

“Do you understand what you are charged with?” the judge asked on that first Thursday in December.

“No,” he said. “No.”

Walker told the judge he will fight the charge.

Mayor Bryan dismissed the complaints of those who must appear in court. “Everybody’s got a story,” he said. “And 99% of them are lying.”

Yet the Brookside stories come at an alarming rate.

Sandra Jo Harris, a 52-year-old grandmother, claims in a lawsuit she pulled off I-22 at Cherry Avenue on Jan. 8, 2020, as she often did when she went to visit her daughter. It was nearing dusk, and as she drove into the neighborhood she didn’t think much about the unmarked black SUV with tinted windows on the side of the road. She turned on her lights, according to her lawsuit, because of the approaching darkness.

But when she did, the unmarked SUV pulled into the street, crossed the center line and sped toward her car, blue lights flashing. She was not speeding, or breaking the law, she argued in the suit. She pulled to the side of the road as the SUV pulled behind her, and a wrecker simultaneously parked nearby. It frightened her, and led to more trouble.

Officers, dressed completely in dark, unmarked uniforms approached her, and one accused her of flickering her lights to warn others of their presence, her suit alleges. Unsure what was happening, Harris dialed 911. But an officer grabbed the phone and threw it to the ground, breaking it, the lawsuit says. Police put her in a patrol car and searched her vehicle for drugs.

Harris’ lawyers contend she was taken to the Brookside jail, strip-searched, and told she could be jailed up to two days. She had an asthma attack and a panic attack, but when she knocked on the door to alert a guard, a jailer said if she continued to knock she would be charged with attempting to escape. Eventually she was given an inhaler and treated by paramedics.

Police charged Harris with flickering her lights – or “nuisance of casting lights from motor vehicle on real property at night,” which she argues did not happen and eventually was dropped. She was also charged with resisting arrest. A report quoted in the suit claimed she “tighten (sic) arm muscles from getting handcuff (sic).”

In addition, the police charged her with making a false 911 call, obstructing government operations by refusing to give proper papers, and disorderly conduct for yelling for others to come out of their homes. They let her out of jail at midnight, long after her family had made bond.

Her lawyers argue that the city uses “obscure possible violations” to justify stopping and searching passersby, hoping to add more offenses in a sort of highway lottery to fill the coffers.

“Brookside has operated its police and court system with the primary objective of obtaining revenue from motorists traveling on or near Interstate-22,” Harris’ lawyers wrote in a suit filed last year. “It has had a continued practice of stopping and ticketing scores of vehicles daily, doing so without probable cause or reasonable suspicion of wrongdoing.”

K9 Cash

Brookside has two drug-sniffing dogs — one named K9 Cash — to search the cars of stopped motorists.

Most of the vehicles Brookside Police drive are unmarked, and tinted.

Chief Jones testified under oath that just one of the 10 Brookside vehicles is painted with police striping, but nine others bear no emblems, and seven are tinted all the way around, making it impossible to see inside. Jones testified his officers wear gray uniforms with no Brookside insignias.

In another case, Brookside police last year confiscated a 2014 Honda Civic owned by a man named Sean Wattson, even though Wattson was not driving and was not in the car, according to a lawsuit he filed against the town. He lent his car to a friend, who was pulled over and arrested for drug possession.

Wattson claims he was unaware of the drugs. Still, police seized his car, and refused to return it, though they didn’t begin official forfeiture proceedings.

Both lawsuits continue.

Secret agent names

Neither the mayor nor chief would talk about pending litigation, but both said they have reviewed the cases involved, including bodycam footage, and said they found no wrongdoing on the city’s part. They would not share the footage.

Jones blamed the lawsuits on “ambulance-chasing attorneys.”

But lawyers and law enforcement officers across central Alabama have raised questions about things in Brookside they say they have never otherwise come across.

Lawyer Martin Weinberg had a client in Brookside, a young man named Thomas Hall, who was stopped for speeding and found with a small amount of marijuana.

He was charged with misdemeanor possession, but also five counts of possession of drug paraphernalia, for:

Rolling papers
The baggie that held the marijuana
Cigar wrappers
A small jar “that once may have held marijuana”
And a small tray that “might have” been used to roll a joint
The names of the officers were not listed on the tickets in secretive Brookside. Instead, the arresting officer was listed as “Agent JS,” while the assisting officer was “Agent AR.”

A judge set Hall’s fines at $6,000, and he had to post $12,000 bond while he appealed the case, an amount Weinberg considered excessive, and one that would prevent defendants without money or support from arguing their cases in state court.

Hall did appeal, and a Jefferson County judge ultimately dismissed the charges.

Bill Dawson, a lawyer who has represented several clients in Brookside, said defendants have faced possession charges for a joint, with paraphernalia charges tacked on for the paper it was rolled in.

“I’ve never seen a possession case split like that,” he said. “It’s unheard of.”

“False left-lane violation”

Dawson also represents Victoria Brumlow, a young woman who – like hundreds more – was stopped on I-22 and ticketed for driving on the left lane of the interstate. Not speeding, not swerving, just using the left lane.

A Brookside officer ticketed Brumlow under Alabama code section 32-5-77, which her lawyers contend does not contain a crime. But it’s a common charge in Brookside.

She argued that she only drove in the left lane to pass other vehicles, and her ticket – on May 26, 2019 – came five months before Alabama’s Anti-Road Rage Act, a law making it illegal to drive in the left lane of an interstate for more than a mile and a half, went into effect.

Brookside police officers in sworn depositions indicated they did not follow drivers for a full mile and a half before or after the new law was passed, and they continued to write tickets under the old law after the new road rage bill passed.

In May of 2019, the month Brumlow was stopped, Brookside officers ticketed 75 people for driving in the left lane. Between April 2018 and June 2020, they handed out 406 of those tickets, or about 15 a month, according to documents filed in the lawsuit.

“It was something that I should not have been stopped for,” Brumlow said in sworn testimony. “And while sitting in court I heard that half the court was also stopped for the same thing.”

Brumlow pleaded not guilty, and had to go to court over and over again as the case was postponed. A court worker told her she would have to plead guilty or go to driving school. She fought it instead.

Dawson argued in a lawsuit against Brookside and Chief Jones that “Brookside has continuously used the false left lane violation as a reason to stop and detain hundreds of motorists. The motive … was to generate revenue for Brookside.”

Brumlow’s uncle, Jeff Brumlow, is the longtime prosecutor and city attorney for the city of Alabaster, and a GOP candidate for Shelby County district judge. He agreed to represent his niece in her traffic case.

In a sworn deposition in the civil suit Jeff Brumlow said he went to court three times before the case was ultimately dropped, and saw many people – he’d guess 25 to 30% of all defendants – charged with the dubious left lane violation.

“What I had watched in court with the use of this particular charge, I mean, just to be quite frank, it offended me that a court would act that way and that a city would act that way toward people who really don’t have that kind of money,” he testified. “So it was a bit of a moral outrage because I had sat in court three times now and it was no longer a mistake.”

“This was an intentional policy of the city and my niece just happened to get caught up in it and happened to challenge it. And it broke her heart, it broke my heart.”

“Creating a law”

Ramon Perez felt that way as well, sitting in the courtroom and hearing defendants plead to the same charges over and over.

He’d been stopped for rolling the stop sign, which he disputes, and speeding, which he also disputes. He was also ticketed for improper signal, though he can’t even fathom how that might have occurred. He was cited for driving with a suspended license — a matter he thought he’d cleared up — but he doesn’t blame Brookside for that.

It is what happened after the stop that is most concerning to him. He feels the police saw him as prey, and treated him as such.

Perez is Hispanic, and his passenger was a Brookside resident, also Hispanic, who didn’t have her purse with her, Perez said. The officer said he would take them both to jail because she didn’t have her ID.

Which is another problem altogether, Sheriff Pettway said.

“We don’t have a law that says if you don’t have ID, you go to jail,” he said. “If you want to go out there and do something like that, you are creating a law.”

Perez said the officer “went absolutely crazy” over her lack of ID. “He was very ugly from the start.”

Ultimately another officer took Perez to his friend’s house to retrieve her ID, he said. His car was towed — with apologies from the tow-truck driver — costing him several hundred dollars.

Perez ultimately decided to pay the $1,100 fine — on top of hundreds he’d already spent to get his towed car back — and get the heck out of Brookside.

Which is exactly what the town is banking on, according to those who have watched Brookside grow into one of Alabama’s biggest, most troublesome traffic traps.

Perez is angry at his treatment. But he also worries for relatives and employees who live in Brookside. Not all of them can afford to pay their fines as he did, and some have been put on payment plans.

“I feel bad for those guys who struggle,” Perez said. He is still torn, wondering if he should have fought the town harder.

“I should have brought a lawyer, but right now my time is not there,” he said. “But my behavior was right. I know that.”

Sheriff Pettway said those who face charges in Brookside and want to ensure justice can get a bond and appeal their case.

“It may cost some money to go through that process,” he said. “But if you want real justice, I think you’ll go through the process. Fairness and real justice, I believe, is something people are looking for when it comes to law enforcement.

Pettway also said issues with Brookside could draw the attention of the federal government.

“I think it’s one of those situations … that could possibly bring in the feds with some oversight,” he said. “I wouldn’t be surprised if they opened up an investigation. You can’t do what’s going on over there.”

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!

To be fair, defunding the police won't fix the fact that they're undisguised protection rackets in some places.

Vim Fuego
Jun 1, 2000
Probation
Can't post for 3 days!
Ultra Carp

gimme the GOD drat candy posted:

reminder that one of biden's policies was a one time fee for each gun owned

haha gently caress that guy

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy

H.P. Hovercraft posted:

lol lock them the gently caress up

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1485313965177589770

isn't liz cheney on there too? lmao

I hope he is right.

tangy yet delightful
Sep 13, 2005



H.P. Hovercraft posted:

lol lock them the gently caress up

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1485313965177589770

isn't liz cheney on there too? lmao

That sure would turn the dial on the handy meter-o-fascism I have over here in the corner.

Weka
May 5, 2019

That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.
It shouldn't be this easy for Newt Gingrich to sound reasonable but the I conjecture the Democrats WANT to get destroyed in 2022.

Business Gorillas
Mar 11, 2009

:harambe:



tangy yet delightful posted:

That sure would turn the dial on the handy meter-o-fascism I have over here in the corner.

I'll also be turning the dial on my Democrat Meter if the Jan 6 committee refuses to do anything out of fear of reprisals, only to end up getting arrested for just existing

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through
yes i sure do believe newt is going to arrest congress just like trump absolutely locked her cup

edit: typo but i'm leaving it

Vomik
Jul 29, 2003

This post is dedicated to the brave Mujahideen fighters of Afghanistan

ikanreed posted:

Imagine only having one tank in your small town.

the killdozer (rip) documentary was manufactured consent for more police funding

really queer Christmas
Apr 22, 2014

Dustcat posted:

just lol if you don't think the trumpists wouldn't murder the entire cheney family

Trumps finally pivoting to the left.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy

Dustcat posted:

just lol if you don't think the trumpists wouldn't murder the entire cheney family

I see they will be embracing their far left bonafides like Stalin.

Mayor Dave
Feb 20, 2009

Bernie the Snow Clown

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through
lmao thats great but who is louise

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007
sarandon

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through

lmao oh my god of course

anyway here's a thing

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

H.P. Hovercraft posted:

lol lock them the gently caress up

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1485313965177589770

isn't liz cheney on there too? lmao

This may be a way to trick them into letting Jim Jordan be on the committee after all

ex post facho
Oct 25, 2007
https://twitter.com/karavoght/statu...ingawful.com%2F

ex post facho
Oct 25, 2007
"better not do anything ever except fund the military," argue dems

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin

WHo?

Zerg Mans
Oct 19, 2006


I appreciate how the caricature captured the nature of his melty fat face

Nothus
Feb 22, 2001

Buglord

H.P. Hovercraft posted:

lol lock them the gently caress up

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1485313965177589770

isn't liz cheney on there too? lmao

DO IT

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005


Not reading the article but does it bring up Summers being “right” about how the ladies just don’t want to do math or science and actually there is no sexism?

DoubleDonut
Oct 22, 2010


Fallen Rib
does it bring up the fact that there is zero overlap between joe Biden’s economic policy and anything left of Spiro Agnew?

ex post facho
Oct 25, 2007
drake no: rushing through social spending programs bills, voting rights bills, infrastructure bills

drake yes: rushing through massive supplemental military spending bills

https://twitter.com/SaraLSirota/sta...ingawful.com%2F

ex post facho
Oct 25, 2007
https://twitter.com/SanAntoGuera/st...ingawful.com%2F

each box contains 2 tests. to test accurately on suspicion of symptoms, you need to do one test and then a second test 24h later, testing negative each time.

this means this is only 1 "full" test for each person in a 2-person residence :rubby:

ex post facho has issued a correction as of 19:47 on Jan 25, 2022

Fame Douglas
Nov 20, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
Is starting a war with Russia and "you don't change horses mid stream" the strategy for getting Biden reelected in 2024?

Nothus
Feb 22, 2001

Buglord
1+1=4 is the new 1400=2000

ArmedZombie
Jun 6, 2004

Fame Douglas posted:

Is starting a war with Russia and "you don't change horses mid stream" the strategy for getting Biden reelected in 2024?

yes but they're going to get destroyed in 2022 anyway. they're that bad.

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007

ex post facho posted:

each box contains 2 tests. to test accurately on suspicion of symptoms, you need to do one test and then a second test 24h later, testing negative each time.

this means this is only 1 "full" test for each person in a 2-person residence :rubby:


completely wrong. you only need 1 test to get into places. and thats what matters. hoorah thank you biden

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

ex post facho posted:

each box contains 2 tests. to test accurately on suspicion of symptoms, you need to do one test and then a second test 24h later, testing negative each time.

this means this is only 1 "full" test for each person in a 2-person residence :rubby:


Don't forget the other amazingly farsighted initiative of mailing out 400 million N95 masks, or one mask for each American. Wow, such proactive Covid response.

Nitevision
Oct 5, 2004

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Wow. You guys get what you want from the Democrats (FREE tests) and you can't even be happy for a minute, it's all just "what about the rest of my family" "covid might not be over by the time i use both of these" "I still dont think we should go to war". No wonder they don't try harder, respect is a two way road.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

👏DEMOCRATS👏DON'T👏OWE👏YOU👏ANYTHING

pissinthewind
Nov 11, 2021

so got my tests today, peed on all four, all four negative guess i dont have covid

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Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



[ASK] me about OS/2 Warp

mastershakeman posted:

You don't get paid

uh, happened to me

if you dont get paid for those two weeks its a retaliatory firing and now you get months of unemployment

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