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Powered Descent posted:s02e11 - I guess it's worth remembering that this is a conspiracy against a president who wasn't exactly popularly elected (only took office after the previous president died in what sure seemed like an assassination), and the real-world event you're talking about was in support of a similarly unpopularly-elected (and lame duck) president. We also had a bit of a situation of military officers doing a little ad-hoc thing making sure he wouldn't do any military orders on the way out of power out of spite, and if he refused to leave office, well then he'd be dragged out by force. There's a bit of a weird set of historical inspirations in the show, but either way I think it works fine.
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The unease you mention is still very on point though.
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# ? Jan 25, 2022 00:57 |
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Yeah I don't think you're supposed to feel like this is fine, everything is fine.
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# ? Jan 25, 2022 00:57 |
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Polaron posted:PPGs fire balls of superhot plasma. Not really something you can add a stun setting to. Back during the show's original run JMS once quipped on Prodigy or Usenet or one of those places that "Stun settings are for people who can't commit."
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Hello! Things have been really busy lately, but I'm finally getting back to B5. s05e04 – A View From the Gallery
s05e05 – Learning Curve
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s02e13 - Hunter, Prey
s02e14 - There All the Honor Lies
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# ? Jan 25, 2022 22:11 |
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Powered Descent posted:s02e14 - There All the Honor Lies She did. In the original script when she bumps into Vir she sees a mental image of him screaming and falling into a dark vortex. They actually filmed that by putting Stephen Furst into a harness and dangling him in front of a green screen (he didn't have to try very hard to scream and act panicked), but it was cut, so Talia's appearance seems a bit pointless. Everything with Kosh was added by JMS, so elements of the original script had to be cut to fit it in. That's why Sheridan's lawyer has a big entrance but doesn't really do much. By the way, the lawyer was played by Julie Caitlin Brown, the actress who originally played Na'Toth.
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# ? Jan 26, 2022 03:53 |
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Action Jacktion posted:She did. In the original script when she bumps into Vir she sees a mental image of him screaming and falling into a dark vortex. They actually filmed that by putting Stephen Furst into a harness and dangling him in front of a green screen (he didn't have to try very hard to scream and act panicked), but it was cut, so Talia's appearance seems a bit pointless. Everything with Kosh was added by JMS, so elements of the original script had to be cut to fit it in. That's why Sheridan's lawyer has a big entrance but doesn't really do much. By the way, the lawyer was played by Julie Caitlin Brown, the actress who originally played Na'Toth. Really? Woohoo, that makes the second time I've guessed right about a production thing! (The first one was the addition of the B plot in Believers.) But I also feel really unobservant for not even noticing that Na'Toth was re-cast.
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# ? Jan 26, 2022 05:45 |
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Powered Descent posted:s02e13 - Hunter, Prey They never had the budget to composite live-action actors against CGI, all those composite scenes were done at 480i (actual actor scenes shot on film, composite scenes with CGI finished at 480i). It's going to be a long ride with that throughout the show, though it does improve.
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s05e06 – Strange Relations
s05e07 – Secrets of the Soul
Kinda feel like season 5 is starting off a little on the blah side overall, but it also feels like the tension is starting to ratchet up. I'm glad that it seems like we're going to get to see the Telepath War; I was worried that was just going to be a random future footnote. Very curious to see where this is going. Totally not worried about the apparent dip in quality, though; I'd been warned that Season 5 takes a bit to get back up to greatness.
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# ? Jan 27, 2022 04:38 |
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discoukulele posted:Kinda feel like season 5 is starting off a little on the blah side overall, but it also feels like the tension is starting to ratchet up. I'm glad that it seems like we're going to get to see the Telepath War; I was worried that was just going to be a random future footnote. Very curious to see where this is going. Totally not worried about the apparent dip in quality, though; I'd been warned that Season 5 takes a bit to get back up to greatness. S4e18 was originally supposed to be the season 4 finale and the Earth civil war would've been wrapped up in early season 5. But when the show was canceled after season 4 they had to compress the end of the war into the remainder of season 4, and that left them with not much material for early season 5.
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# ? Jan 27, 2022 04:47 |
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ultrafilter posted:S4e18 was originally supposed to be the season 4 finale and the Earth civil war would've been wrapped up in early season 5. But when the show was canceled after season 4 they had to compress the end of the war into the remainder of season 4, and that left them with not much material for early season 5. (Early s5) Plus JMS's story notes got accidentally thrown away/stolen at a convention vv I'd rather err on the side of caution MrL_JaKiri fucked around with this message at 17:14 on Jan 27, 2022 |
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MrL_JaKiri posted:(Early s5)]Plus JMS's story notes got accidentally thrown away/stolen at a convention Can we not use spoiler tags for things that aren’t spoilers? Particularly ITT?
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discoukulele posted:s05e07 – Secrets of the Soul You wanted them to shoot the disease?
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# ? Jan 27, 2022 18:02 |
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I'm sure he meant PPE
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# ? Jan 27, 2022 18:28 |
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Lmfaooo yes, that's what I meant.
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MikusR posted:You wanted them to shoot the disease? Wrong sci-fi show. That's Voyager.
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s02e15 - And Now For a Word
s02e16 - In the Shadow of Z'ha'dum
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Powered Descent posted:s02e16 - In the Shadow of Z'ha'dum Yes.
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Grand Fromage posted:Yeah I don't think you're supposed to feel like this is fine, everything is fine. I think you naturally do though, because there are good guys and bad guys and you cheer for the good guys, but the show does its best to show you that you shouldn’t only see it that way.
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s02e17 - Knives
s02e18 - Confessions and Lamentations
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Powered Descent posted:I'm wondering about the rules for PPGs. They're essentially firing balls of superhot plasma that will burn through soft tissue, but not heavier metal. This means that body armor is a thing, but it can't stand up to sustained fire without being too bulky/heavy to be practical. Actual projectiles are banned because you don't want them tearing holes in your hull. It's going to take A LOT of PPG shots to burn through the outer hull of a ship or station to the degree required for a breach, which is the goal. (Also, PPG pistols are relatively low power and usually non-lethal at any sort of range for similar reasons. They'll cause a nasty burn, but also cauterize the wound they create, etc. etc. This is why the heavier rifle type weapons exist - they're higher power and more fatal, etc. etc.; See also, the earlier conversation in this thread, re: 'stun settings'. PPG's don't have that, but they do have variable amounts of power and a typical EA sidearm is shown as a 'mostly nonlethal' weapon.) Chevy Slyme fucked around with this message at 19:43 on Jan 28, 2022 |
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Powered Descent posted:s02e18 - Confessions and Lamentations I assume they mean transmission - come into contact with an infected person and there's a 100% chance of you being infected too.
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Four episode marathon last night to get to the end of season 2. s02e19 - Divided Loyalties
s02e20 - The Long, Twilight Struggle
s02e21 - Comes the Inquisitor
s02e22 - The Fall of Night
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Powered Descent posted:s02e22 - The Fall of Night
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The costume design is pretty universally excellent in B5, it's a large part of what makes the show work
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Powered Descent posted:S02E22 Keffer was a studio-suggested (mandated?) hotshot pilot character. JMS gave in to the minimum degree possible, and then got his revenge.
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Powered Descent posted:Four episode marathon last night to get to the end of season 2. Behind the scenes Tl;dr, the actress playing Talia wanted off the show, so JMS took this double-agent plot he’d been cooking up anyway, that, presumably had a happier end in mind, and changed who said double agent was to Talia and used it as a way to write her off the show and Lyta back on to it. There are a few instances like this throughout the run - Sinclair-> Sheridan is the most obvious one. JMS often referred to them as “trapdoors” through which he could write anyone off at a moments notice while preserving the momentum of the story he was trying to tell.
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Chevy Slyme posted:Behind the scenes Tl;dr, the actress playing Talia wanted off the show, so JMS took this double-agent plot he’d been cooking up anyway, that, presumably had a happier end in mind, and changed who said double agent was to Talia and used it as a way to write her off the show and Lyta back on to it. There are a few instances like this throughout the run - Sinclair-> Sheridan is the most obvious one. JMS often referred to them as “trapdoors” through which he could write anyone off at a moments notice while preserving the momentum of the story he was trying to tell. Talia was meant to be the double agent for as long as she was on the show. The change happened between the pilot and season one; Lyta was not intended to be the spy in the pilot.
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Winifred Madgers posted:Keffer was a studio-suggested (mandated?) hotshot pilot character. JMS gave in to the minimum degree possible, and then got his revenge. Chevy Slyme posted:Behind the scenes Tl;dr, the actress playing Talia wanted off the show, so JMS took this double-agent plot he’d been cooking up anyway, that, presumably had a happier end in mind, and changed who said double agent was to Talia and used it as a way to write her off the show and Lyta back on to it. There are a few instances like this throughout the run - Sinclair-> Sheridan is the most obvious one. JMS often referred to them as “trapdoors” through which he could write anyone off at a moments notice while preserving the momentum of the story he was trying to tell. It's amazing how many of these little oddities are directly attributable to production drama. Thanks for the info!
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ultrafilter posted:Talia was meant to be the double agent for as long as she was on the show. The change happened between the pilot and season one; Lyta was not intended to be the spy in the pilot. Yeah. IIRC the weird season 1 ep where Kosh and the computer brain dude were loving around with her was recording her personality somehow so she could be restored afterward since Kosh knew what was going on, but since the actress was leaving there was no need and now it's just this bit that goes nowhere.
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# ? Jan 29, 2022 21:37 |
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ultrafilter posted:Talia was meant to be the double agent for as long as she was on the show. The change happened between the pilot and season one; Lyta was not intended to be the spy in the pilot. The plan as of the pilot was to have the original XO Laurel Takashima be the mole with the Control personality (as well as being the person who shot Garibaldi in the back in the Season 1 finale), but the actress didn't continue in the role for the show's run. The pilot has a scene where the Minbari assassin uses her access code to get through a door to do his thing, which is supposed to be a clue.
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ultrafilter posted:Talia was meant to be the double agent for as long as she was on the show. The change happened between the pilot and season one; Lyta was not intended to be the spy in the pilot. My bad on the first part. Though, yes the original Control was Takashima It is, as I understand it, still true that the resolution of the whole affair was pivoted into a way to write her off the show when that need arose.
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Grand Fromage posted:Yeah. IIRC the weird season 1 ep where Kosh and the computer brain dude were loving around with her was recording her personality somehow so she could be restored afterward since Kosh knew what was going on, but since the actress was leaving there was no need and now it's just this bit that goes nowhere. Yeah. The whole (S1:)Ironheart thing was also supposed to be much more important as a result. When they had to write off Talia spoilers after this from beyond S2 beware Powered Descent) they were lucky to be able to get Lyta back and basically replaced Ironhearts Gift with Vorlon Bioengineering Magic Stuff to achieve mostly the same plot beats that were planned for Talia.
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Powered Descent posted:s02e22 - The Fall of Night We do see him leap out, which would give him a bit of momentum, and the blast-wave from the explosive would presumably propel him downward faster even before he arrives at the wind. More to the point, it's Ivanova's understanding of what's happening that we're getting. She doesn't have to be right, and it's a good character moment if she's being obtusely optimistic at this moment given her usual personality. She doesn't want to admit that there's nothing that can be done in time.
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I read this whole thread as I just started watching B5 a couple of weeks ago. I’m almost done season 4. It’s not really a blind watch for me as I watched it back in the mid 90s when it was on TV but I haven’t seen it since then. I think it’s held up pretty well. It’s definitely a product of the 90s but I appreciate dialogue that takes things seriously and isn’t quips and jokes the entire time. I also like that it trusts viewers to understand what characters are feeling and doesn’t have everyone explain their emotional state every few minutes. Josh the Zorlon was a good bit.
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s05e08 – Day of the Dead
s05e09 – In the Kingdom of the Blind
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Beefeater1980 posted:I think you naturally do though, because there are good guys and bad guys and you cheer for the good guys, but the show does its best to show you that you shouldn’t only see it that way. On top of everything else, the main characters we're supposed to be rooting for, and the audience, have seen incontrovertible evidence that Clarke assassinated Santiago. Garibaldi saw the bombs and Ivanova overheard Clarke conspiring with a known Shadow agent. Even with that, feeling uncomfortable is right, even Our Heroes do and they know they're right. mllaneza fucked around with this message at 04:32 on Feb 3, 2022 |
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I love penn and teller being incomprehensibly unfunny but everyone cracking up
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Taking a brief B5 break since my watching partner is out of town again, but I decided to go back and look up one of my guesses:Powered Descent posted:s02e21 - Comes the Inquisitor Quoth IMDB: IMDB on Wayne Alexander posted:He received his training at the Los Angeles City College Theater Academy and went on to the American Conservatory Theater in San Francisco to receive his baptism by fire into what it meant to have a life in the theater, appearing in over 25 productions there. The training he received performing in repertory has held him in good stead ever since. At ACT he also learned stage fencing, which lead to theater work as a fight choreographer. His theater work, doing mostly classical theater in Los Angeles, has put him on a first name basis with Shakespeare's Hamlet, Romeo, Benedick, Iago, Proteus, Berowne, Claudio and Edmund the Bastard, to name a few. Totally called it. He just has that... theater presence.
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