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Jimmy Smuts posted:The Space Force as a branch shouldn't have happened, and is almost real-life Spaceballs in some ways. But the individual members are good folks. And they seem to ride with the memes and take it all in jest, unlike some of the other services. I disagree, I think its the natural evolution of armed forces. We will be colonizing Mars in ~20 years and I would rather have US have the lead than others. Yeah sure, it seems silly now, but its better to have an organization focused on space supremacy than an organization that has space as a second focus.
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Jimmy Smuts posted:The Space Force as a branch shouldn't have happened, and is almost real-life Spaceballs in some ways. But the individual members are good folks. And they seem to ride with the memes and take it all in jest, unlike some of the other services. But they got Darth Vader and a couple of Stormtroopers to show up at the swearing in ceremony for one of their generals! That counts for something, right?
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nullscan posted:I would have put money on a Cyber Force before a Space Force though. Just seems like such an unnecessary move. In Korea the only change was a bunch of dudes changing patches and swearing in to a new service. Honestly cyber makes more sense to be it's own force. The traditional military structure absolutely does not work in cyber. Having the mission set split is dumb since they all wind up under cybercom anyway. Space planning and execution can be done with the same command structure decently well.
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Proud Christian Mom posted:California's single-payer CalCare bill once again died today. Bizarrely all the election time supporters for this, upto and including Gavin Newsom, went completely silent on this issue. Please remember to vote blue no matter who. That said with it being California I can’t even imagine how much they would’ve screwed it up (at least initially).
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Feb 1, 2022 03:47
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Marshal Prolapse posted:That said with it being California I can’t even imagine how much they would’ve screwed it up (at least initially). Yeah what if they run it like their budget! No wait… that’s not right.
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Feb 1, 2022 03:54
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Razor posted:Sort of since they both fall under the Department of the Air Force. But it's just basically Air Force Space Command rebranded into its own branch
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Meshka posted:I disagree, I think its the natural evolution of armed forces. We will be colonizing Mars in ~20 years and I would rather have US have the lead than others. Yeah sure, it seems silly now, but its better to have an organization focused on space supremacy than an organization that has space as a second focus.
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Feb 1, 2022 04:00
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Jimmy Smuts posted:Why not just rename the USAF to the USA&SF (or something like that), and shift priorities internally more towards the space domain? Not enough new flag and command billets that way. Not to mention not nearly enough administrative overhead achievable
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Feb 1, 2022 04:05
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Jimmy Smuts posted:Why not just rename the USAF to the USA&SF (or something like that), and shift priorities internally more towards the space domain? Air Force’s mission is to bomb the hell out of America’s enemies. Space missions are going to happen soon and you need an organization whose sole focus is on that. Nobody should give a gently caress that AF is losing resources, they have grown partially obsolete.
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Feb 1, 2022 04:06
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Why not just handoff cyber poo poo to the intelligence agencies, or joint operation of the two? I think at least for the offensive stuff having it handled by NSA or CIA might be better in terms of operational flexibility and authority.
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Feb 1, 2022 04:17
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The big question in accessions is what exactly makes someone a Space Force someone. Marines are quite obviously distinguished from the other Navy cadets by their short shorts and pull-up bars, but what do we do, administer extra math tests to Space Force cadets? I can stack pieces of flair upon pieces of flair but if they’re not being held to any kind of higher standard then none of it seems very impressive. It frequently seems like a tremendous amount of admin oversight for people who are mostly going to go do the exact same thing their Air Force counterparts are doing.
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The AF has been doing a bunch of space poo poo since what, the '80s? I'm more familiar with the cross-organization stuff, & we seem to be working fine there (by government standards). To be fair, I have heard a bunch of stories from the 1C6 world and about how much it sucks there...so maybe that's due to the AF's lack of focus on that mission set.
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Feb 1, 2022 04:18
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You guys are seriously overthinking a vanity decision made by someone trying to pad out their wikipedia article.
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You know, when the Cabal attack Mars and the Space Force Guardians are our only line of defense ya’ll are going to be eating your hat.
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I really wish they went with Jetsons, or one of the other comedy options, when they were figuring out wtf to call themselves. Guardian sounds too War on Terror
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Marshal Prolapse posted:Why not just handoff cyber poo poo to the intelligence agencies, or joint operation of the two? I think at least for the offensive stuff having it handled by NSA or CIA might be better in terms of operational flexibility and authority. Commander of CYBERCOM has also been Director of NSA from day one.
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Wrong Theory posted:It's off the chain (gun) TFR used to have a thread title, "The entire history of firearms development happened between 1911 and 1913". I was proud o' that one
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Kesper North posted:TFR used to have a thread title, "The entire history of firearms development happened between 1911 and 1913". I was proud o' that one
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Tiny Timbs posted:You should really feel no obligation to be fair to the process. There has been, and continues to be, vigorous debate about whether or not the Air Force can handle aircraft well, and that perhaps the Army should expand its ability to field aircraft. Every year since the A-10 program was competitively prototyped and then funded there have been people arguing that it was an absurd and pointless waste of money. Because having a Space Force doesn't actually CHANGE how any of that works, except possibly to put more money into the DAF. The regs are the same. The people making the decisions are mostly the same, but their name tapes are a different color. Operationally, USSPACECOM still does the work. Space Force's job is to manage the people and facilities supporting that work...just like AF Space Command did. Meshka posted:I disagree, I think its the natural evolution of armed forces. We will be colonizing Mars in ~20 years and I would rather have US have the lead than others. Yeah sure, it seems silly now, but its better to have an organization focused on space supremacy than an organization that has space as a second focus. This is hilariously optimistic. I think you're off by about a factor of 3 or 4. Unless you mean "colonizing" the way we colonized the moon for a couple of weeks total. Meshka posted:Air Force’s mission is to bomb the hell out of America’s enemies. Space missions are going to happen soon and you need an organization whose sole focus is on that. Nobody should give a gently caress that AF is losing resources, they have grown partially obsolete. Space missions already happen, just not the way I think you're imagining. Godholio fucked around with this message at 04:52 on Feb 1, 2022 |
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Jimmy Smuts posted:I really wish they went with Jetsons, or one of the other comedy options, when they were figuring out wtf to call themselves. Guardian sounds too War on Terror It's also the new name of Cleveland's baseball team. I'm sad they didn't just use the same ranks as the Air Force but replace "airman" with "spaceman" wherever possible, and put "space" in front of everything else. Spaceman First Class. Space Captain. Space Sergeant - no, wait, that one should be "Stargeant" okay I'll see myself out as well
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Godholio posted:Because having a Space Force doesn't actually CHANGE how any of that works, except possibly to put more money into the DAF. The regs are the same. The people making the decisions are mostly the same. Their name tapes are just a different color. Operationally, USSPACECOM still does the work. Space Force's job is to manage the people and facilities supporting that work...just like AF Space Command did. No, as much as goons like to poo poo on Musk, space X has advanced rockets far faster than whatever bullshit contract NASA gave to legacy companies. Starship will fly in FY2022, with technology far better developed than loving SLS.
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Midjack posted:Commander of CYBERCOM has also been Director of NSA from day one. Interesting I wasn’t even aware of that.
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Wingnut Ninja posted:It's also the new name of Cleveland's baseball team. Star Captain you say....
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Meshka posted:No, as much as goons like to poo poo on Musk, space X has advanced rockets far faster than whatever bullshit contract NASA gave to legacy companies. Starship will fly in FY2022, with technology far better developed than loving SLS. That's because they were spending money the way NASA wanted, rather than Musk making the decisions. NASA funding kept Space X alive when Falcon-1s were failing left and right. Space X has done best when it's left to the experts rather than the politicians and the investment manipulators.
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Meshka posted:No, as much as goons like to poo poo on Musk, space X has advanced rockets far faster than whatever bullshit contract NASA gave to legacy companies. Starship will fly in FY2022, with technology far better developed than loving SLS. 
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Godholio posted:That's because they were spending money the way NASA wanted, rather than Musk making the decisions. NASA funding kept Space X alive when Falcon-1s were failing left and right. Space X has done best when it's left to the experts rather than the politicians and the investment manipulators. Sure maybe, but all that tells me is that NASA realized the benefit of a productive private partnership. Space X is so far ahead of Boeing that any contract to them looks like straight up corruption.
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Grip it and rip it posted:lol from this quote it doesn't sound like you really know much of anything about how our immigration system works. You know the people that everyone was concerned were in concentration camps that are now just soft-sided buildings because we can't call them tents? Those people, who are in federal custody or at least under the care of the customs and board of protection however you want to say it are free to refuse the vaccine and any covid testing and get the stay in the country. Meanwhile people who want to enter the country legally have to show approved vaccination. And as far as no one being forced to take the vaccine, That's a little like saying no one is forced to sleep with the boss they just will lose their job if they don't.
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So what exactly is your argument here? Forcible testing and vaccination of anyone suspected of entering the country illegally? Because you’re going to run into a phalanx of lawyers real quick if that’s the case.
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pantslesswithwolves posted:So what exactly is your argument here? Forcible testing and vaccination of anyone suspected of entering the country illegally? Because you’re going to run into a phalanx of lawyers real quick if that’s the case. How about enforcing immigrations laws?
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Meshka posted:No, as much as goons like to poo poo on Musk, space X has advanced rockets far faster than whatever bullshit contract NASA gave to legacy companies. Starship will fly in FY2022, with technology far better developed than loving SLS. 
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Meshka posted:No, as much as goons like to poo poo on Musk, space X has advanced rockets far faster than whatever bullshit contract NASA gave to legacy companies. Starship will fly in FY2022, with technology far better developed than loving SLS. I, too, look forward to reading about tales of oppression and abuse on Musk's libertarian utopia Mars colony on SolNet.
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There was a recent photo of Elon Musk, Jordan Peterson, and Joe Rogan all hanging out together in front of a Cybertrukk and all I could think of was "one JDAM and we could be rid of four terrible plagues upon this earth"
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Kazinsal posted:There was a recent photo of Elon Musk, Jordan Peterson, and Joe Rogan all hanging out together in front of a Cybertrukk and all I could think of was "one JDAM and we could be rid of four terrible plagues upon this earth" https://twitter.com/danahull/status/1487642165865902083?s=20&t=hpNTpHC2SeQgW6UOrjPhsA
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33 year old teacher set himself on fire outside a police station in Italy, supposedly over losing his job due to vax mandates, but the latter part is currently still Twitter speculation, so grain of salt and all. There's a video on Twitter, but if you do not like humans on fire, or haunting howls of agony, I'd recommend you don't watch it.
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What a stupid loving way and reason to kill yourself. At least he’s not gonna be taking up a ventilator and ICU bed with Omicron. He regretted doing what he did, you can tell. The guys marbles were clearly lost. I hope if there is something after this mortal life that he’s shown mercy and comfort. Even if he’s a dumbass antivaxxer.
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Zamujasa posted:Should've done it outside a fire department, at least It happened near an auto shop and three people from there ran out and sprayed him with fire extinguishers, to little effect.
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