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Grand Fromage posted:DS9 is also very good, just different. If you were forcing me to rank 90s SF shows I'd put it second after B5. Also it has Garak. Nice. My friend has been rewatching it and keeps telling me how good it is and how much he thinks I'll like it. I tend to prefer shows that are more serialized than episodic, and it sounds like it gets more into that area later on from what I understand.
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discoukulele posted:Nice. My friend has been rewatching it and keeps telling me how good it is and how much he thinks I'll like it. I tend to prefer shows that are more serialized than episodic, and it sounds like it gets more into that area later on from what I understand. Yep. it's never serialized to the extent of B5, but it has a nice mix of both. Character continuity is important the entire time and story serialization increases in the later seasons, much different from TNG.
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discoukulele posted:Nice. My friend has been rewatching it and keeps telling me how good it is and how much he thinks I'll like it. I tend to prefer shows that are more serialized than episodic, and it sounds like it gets more into that area later on from what I understand. It doesn’t necessarily have a running story, more of a consistent setting and theme. It’s basically that Simpsons joke about how everything will be back to normal next week until about the last dozen episodes or so. I don’t rate it at all but despite its flaws it’s watchable because of some of the actors involved - Jeffrey Combs and Andrew Robinson in particular steal every scene they’re in.
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Grand Fromage posted:DS9 is also very good, just different. If you were forcing me to rank 90s SF shows I'd put it second after B5. Also it has Garak. I'm about halfway through B5 and I don't believe the theory that DS9 copied it all other than that they might have gotten the same pitch and started from there. (But they went in different directions)
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IIRC there's some circumstantial evidence that Paramount stole the idea for a space station-based show from JMS's pitch for B5 but not much beyond that.
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ultrafilter posted:IIRC there's some circumstantial evidence that Paramount stole the idea for a space station-based show from JMS's pitch for B5 but not much beyond that. Yeah but like I don't think they really hit the same plot points.
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Mr. Apollo fucked around with this message at 20:01 on Feb 11, 2022 |
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There's a lot of spoilers in that list for both shows, it's a good read if you've watched them but if you haven't do not click.
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I mean, the simple fact that DS9 had an overarching plot, and was like the ONLY star trek to do so for a very long time, tells me they definitely took the pitch and ran with it. I don't think anyone ever claimed they stole the entire pitch line for line though. And DS9 was grittier than other treks at the time.
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DS9 certainly cribbed a lot from B5 but a bunch of that HUGE LIST OF MASSIVE SPOILERS are essentially generic sci-fi plot beats. You could probably do the same with Stargate vs Voyager if you squinted a little.
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Yeah don't post that in this thread. Also a lot of that is a huge stretch.
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A production thing to know about The Lost Tales: WB offered JMS the chance to make direct-to-DVD stories. Then they gave him almost no money to do it. If you get your hands on the DVD, you'll see multiple mentions of staging scenes with puppets, because JMS' original response to WB's budget was "well, we could afford to produce the first stories if instead of actors, we used puppets." In the end, he had $2 million to produce the equivalent of two B5 episodes. B5's budget was around $800,000 per episode in the 90s. Correcting for inflation in 2007, that's $1.14 million. So JMS had less money to produce The Lost Tales, starting from scratch (no sets paid for by the pilot movie, for example--in 2007 dollars, The Gathering cost over $5 million). There's a reason he directed the thing himself and used so few actors. OTOH, CGI advanced a lot between 1993 and 2007.
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Narsham posted:OTOH, CGI advanced a lot between 1993 and 2007. Yeah, the space bit was worth watching if nothing else. B5 with BSG effects.
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discoukulele posted:I may end up circling back around to Crusade at some point. After all of this, I'm planning to start watching DS9 for the first time. It's been on my list for awhile and I've been itching to get it going. I have a feeling B5 is ultimately going to be the better one by far, but I'm really curious about it. DS9 is good but different -- more constrained and more Trek (with all the good and bad and baggage that entails). If you are looking for a similar-but-different (albeit inferior) high to B5, I'd recommend Farscape. B5 is a solid dose of mushrooms. DS9 is a threshold dose LSD, a joint and a couple of beers. Farscape is a solid dose of 2C-B.
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Vitruvian Manic posted:DS9 is good but different -- more constrained and more Trek (with all the good and bad and baggage that entails). Well I'm sold. I've only seen a couple of episodes of Farscape and I liked what I saw. I might watch DS9 and Farscape concurrently since (from what I gather) they're not as plot-intensive as B5.
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River of Souls
discoukulele fucked around with this message at 04:25 on Feb 12, 2022 |
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discoukulele posted:River of Souls Glad I could help on Farscape Also, if you are craving more B5 and don't mind indulging in some adolescent cringe, "A Dark Distorted Mirror" was a fun read when the show was airing. I tried posting my take on the first bit in this thread (and got banned for it, lol) and yeah, it's fan fiction. The quality gets better as the author matures. Too bad about the erotic asphyxiation/weird mob hit that killed him, he could have grown into a decent author in his own right. If that is something you are willing to indulge in (and fan fiction isn't to everyone's tastes) read it until you hit the torture bit. If you find that engaging and darkly humorous, you will like it. If you don't, you won't. Depending on your reading speed, worst case you are out 30 minutes.
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discoukulele posted:Well I'm sold. I've only seen a couple of episodes of Farscape and I liked what I saw. I might watch DS9 and Farscape concurrently since (from what I gather) they're not as plot-intensive as B5. There are existing blind watch threads here for both, I believe. And if you get done with Farscape and decide "that wasn't weird enough," you should totally give Lexx a try. I have not seen anyone blind watch that yet.
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Lexx is a datura high from what I've seen. Where is it streaming?
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Winifred Madgers posted:And if you get done with Farscape and decide "that wasn't weird enough," you should totally give Lexx a try. I have not seen anyone blind watch that yet. I am very aware of Lexx and have seen bits but have never actually sat down to watch it. I haven't seen Farscape yet though so I don't feel like I'm at the bottom of the barrel enough to Lexx...
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I've only seen the pilot episode of Lexx and I remember it being very but I definitely want to check it out at some point
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Winifred Madgers posted:There are existing blind watch threads here for both, I believe. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3935239 I hope someone else joins me so I don't feel so bad not posting regularly.
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Vitruvian Manic posted:Lexx is a datura high from what I've seen. Amazon Prime, at least last year when I had it. I genuinely love Lexx, it's wonderfully bizarre and has some surprisingly compelling themes and storylines, considering it's also a horny fever dream. I will say I first watched it as a teenager in a very late night timeslot, which may influence my opinion a bit.
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1000 Brown M and Ms posted:Amazon Prime, at least last year when I had it. About half of Lexx is great. The other half is eeyahhhh. The Time Prophet is always hilarious, though.
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Grand Fromage posted:I am very aware of Lexx and have seen bits but have never actually sat down to watch it. I haven't seen Farscape yet though so I don't feel like I'm at the bottom of the barrel enough to Lexx... They aired together in first run, that's how I came across Lexx, from the promo ads. I saw a few of the ads and figured it was just a dumb window dressing excuse for horny, but then the musical episode intrigued me enough to try watching it, and everything just clicked for me. It's a great place to give it a try imo, it gives kind of a quick backstory rundown of Kai and the Brunnen G and throws you into the deep end of what's going on in season 2 (it's near the end of the season), but although it has some serialization it's not really harmed by being spoiled on what's going on, and for me it was a real eye-opener that this was actually, in part, a legit science fiction show with legit storytelling.
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Legend of the Rangers
discoukulele fucked around with this message at 17:53 on Feb 12, 2022 |
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Call to Arms is so much better than Legend of the Rangers, I think you will enjoy it. I'm honestly beyond excited to see you reaching Sleeping in Light.
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Sweet, I'm really looking forward to seeing what's ahead! I'm planning to watch Call to Arms later this afternoon and then wrap up with Lost Tales and Sleeping in Light tomorrow.
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discoukulele posted:Legend of the Rangers I believe they were intended to be servants of the Thirdspace guys, though I'm not sure if they were supposed to be corrupted Vorlons or something else
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Call to Arms
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The Lost Tales – Over Here
The Lost Tales – Over There
discoukulele fucked around with this message at 15:33 on Feb 13, 2022 |
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discoukulele posted:The Lost Tales – Over There A note on this: "gone beyond the Rim" is how JMS refers to it when a major B5 cast member dies. We've heard it far too many times since, sadly, but when Lost Tales was made in 2007 only Richard Biggs and Andreas Katsulas had passed away. He put the reference to their characters into the show as a tribute.
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Jedit posted:A note on this: oh wow
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alright, I'm getting settled in for the finale.
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discoukulele posted:alright, I'm getting settled in for the finale. And so, it begins.
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Iymarra posted:And so, it begins. We've always been here.
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s05e22 – Sleeping In Light
The finale was absolutely perfect in every way. There was more that I wanted to see plot-wise (how did Lyta's arc end up?), but ending on an intimate note like this is exactly where it needed to go – these characters and their relationships were always what the show was ultimately about. I was extremely happy for Ivanova to make an appearance and for her to get a satisfying conclusion. I'm sure I'll have more thoughts when I've had some time to process it a bit more, but for now I can't say enough good things about it. I'm really glad that I finally got around to watching this, and I might even go as far as to say that it's my favorite sci-fi show now. It hits all of the notes that I enjoy. I'm definitely planning to re-watch it at some point, and I still want to check out Crusade sometime. I'm also curious about the books, because there are a few plot points that I'd like some resolution to if there is any. I'm starting a rewatch of The Deconstruction of Falling Stars to cap everything off. I might post some thoughts if I notice anything new, but I will say that immediately cutting back to Sheridan and Delenn as newlyweds is pretty perfect after the finale. discoukulele fucked around with this message at 16:53 on Feb 13, 2022 |
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Question, though - when we saw Londo and G'Kar's deaths in the time jump episode awhile back, Londo said that Centauri Prime had been destroyed because of Sheridan's 12-year campaign. Is the implication that Sheridan launched an attack because of the attempt on his son (the Keeper gift)? In this episode, someone mentions "the incident with his son".
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Someone finally made it!
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discoukulele posted:Question, though - when we saw Londo and G'Kar's deaths in the time jump episode awhile back, Londo said that Centauri Prime had been destroyed because of Sheridan's 12-year campaign. Is the implication that Sheridan launched an attack because of the attempt on his son (the Keeper gift)? In this episode, someone mentions "the incident with his son". The whole Keeper thing was to be given to David on his 18th birthday, so, for all we know, the keeeper is on David during the finale while he’s at ranger school. The long slow destruction of centauri prime was several years earlier.
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