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Rotten Red Rod posted:It was in mine too. Honestly I think there is no algorithm, except to make you think there is one. Seems about right; you're eventually going to ignore enough stuff that the algorithm can't "intelligently" recommend you things so you just get a running tally of Steam new releases. 
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Radio Paranoia posted:Seems about right; you're eventually going to ignore enough stuff that the algorithm can't "intelligently" recommend you things so you just get a running tally of Steam new releases. I don't even really do that, I have maybe a few dozen ignored games at most - mostly F2P and MMOs I was really sick of seeing in my feed constantly. Yet I still get basically the same queue as everyone else, including the flavor of the week asset flips, hentai visual novels that aren't quite explicit enough to be blocked as explicit content, and Chinese language only games I can't even read the titles of.
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Feb 16, 2022 20:53
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Eraflure posted:Did you just ignore 20k games in a row? Years of atrocity tourism!
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Feb 16, 2022 20:57
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I used to go through new releases and find cool new things but now I literally don't go onto Steam and look for new things, I just get recommendations from friends, their activities, or external sources. I am happier. Not like on a deep level or really even a surface level or okay I'm not happy at all but I don't willingly wade into garbage anymore.
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Feb 16, 2022 22:59
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Dark_Swordmaster posted:I used to go through new releases and find cool new things but now I literally don't go onto Steam and look for new things, I just get recommendations from friends, their activities, or external sources. Yeah that's the thing. I'll only occasionally look at recommendations out of mild curiosity, I haven't bought a game in years that wasn't either a big release or something smaller folks on here/discord are talking about, the discovery queue is functionally useless to me for any real purpose.
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Feb 16, 2022 23:10
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I go through my queue most days and I'll at least consider anything that's not obviously terribly or a genre I don't like. That leads to a lot of duds but I've played some good games that I would not have heard of otherwise.
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Feb 16, 2022 23:15
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You could not pay me to use the queue function.
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Feb 16, 2022 23:18
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The queue is a worthless feature. Curators are even worse. Steam's ability to actually recommend things is so bad I quite honestly wish that all of those features were destroyed. "This game which isn't a shooter and doesn't have English support is recommended to you because you played a first person shooter!" Steam is a garbage platform for exploration.
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Feb 16, 2022 23:19
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Play posted:I don't know what mung is. it sounds like some kind of slur. or that one type of bean no. i'm going to say Porn Game, because i'm not in middle school and trying to sneak things past the computer lab monitor.
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anyone can use it, its fun
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b_d posted:no. i'm going to say Porn Game, because i'm not in middle school and trying to sneak things past the computer lab monitor. ok my smeagol also this is adult privilege, don't be racist to middle schoolers like me
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Play posted:ok my smeagol That's ageism, not racism. Now get outta here, kid
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being in middle school and knowing secret porn slang from pirating websites clearly warrants a permaban and irl authorities informed.
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Feb 17, 2022 02:32
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I remember being in middle school and thinking that this Juegos guy had the biggest collection of warez sites on the internet, including his Juegos Hentai website. I wasn't a very bright kid.
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Feb 17, 2022 08:07
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I remember being in middle school in the computer lab like two computers down from someone who discovered a site not blocked by the filter and because I was nearby I was also sent home for the day.
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Doesn't the ignore button explicitly state that ignoring a thing will not affect what the ALGORITHM decides to show you, it just will never show you that specific thing again? Ah, yeah: steam posted:How is selecting ‘Ignore’ different from just going to the next item? Also I've found like a good dozen or so games through steam-queue that I'd have never found otherwise, yeah the majority are duds but given the sheer absurd size of the catalogue, yeah, makes sense. The interactive recommender tends to get better hits for finding stuff than the queue, but is static based on your library/playtime/whatever so it'll always give you the same results everytime.
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Steam discoverability is still better as in most big content providers or most shops, at least they're trying and for me it works kinda well in combination with recommendations.
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Extremely cool that Steam just had a big spotlight on black creators a few weeks ago and now they're promoting Tyrone vs Cops
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Rotten Red Rod posted:Extremely cool that Steam just had a big spotlight on black creators a few weeks ago and now they're promoting Tyrone vs Cops Isn’t there some mechanism to flag that game for racism and get it banned? 
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Feb 18, 2022 16:14
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The suggestions box is just a shredder with that name taped on it.
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Feb 18, 2022 16:32
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Its either Happy Tree Friends or porn games on Newgrounds. There is no inbetween
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Feb 18, 2022 16:33
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Rotten Red Rod posted:Extremely cool that Steam just had a big spotlight on black creators a few weeks ago and now they're promoting Tyrone vs Cops I mean, the only reason they do that sort of thing is for the marketing, so doing that and also selling racism simulator is entirely consistent if you approach it from the perspective of just making money.
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Cartoon Man posted:Isn’t there some mechanism to flag that game for racism and get it banned? Hate speech is on the "What you shouldn't publish on Steam" list in the Steamworks distribution rules, but the store reporting tool doesn't actually allow you to select that as a reason. So...  Chances that the single overworked Valve employee that handles all of the platforms' user reports sees your little "This game is racist" note in the text box? Very slim.
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Feb 18, 2022 16:41
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Rotten Red Rod posted:Extremely cool that Steam just had a big spotlight on black creators a few weeks ago and now they're promoting Tyrone vs Cops I doubt an actual person made the decision to have it anywhere near the front page.
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Feb 18, 2022 17:04
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Grondoth posted:I doubt an actual person made the decision to have it anywhere near the front page. An actual person chose the way in which the front page was populated and also presumably allowed it on Steam in the first place. They don't get out of responsibility that easily.
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It’s probably outsourced to another country that has no idea why it’s racist nor gives a poo poo anyway. “Looks like another GTA clone? Approved, next game.”
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Prism posted:An actual person chose the way in which the front page was populated and also presumably allowed it on Steam in the first place. They don't get out of responsibility that easily. They do if they voluntarily left the org. Blame gaben, it's his pockets the thing is lining.
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There is a pretty interesting video from Valve on how the games on the front page are selected https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKo9DtLZl-8 Basically everything, except for the big take-over campaign at the top, is dynamically built, and is a selection of top sellers, top wish list items, curator- and friend recommendations as well as recommendations based on what you have recently played. While the video is from September 2020, I don't think that much has changed since then.
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Fart of Presto posted:There is a pretty interesting video from Valve on how the games on the front page are selected The rest of the front page isn't the issue, it's just the queue, which routinely displays nearly the same games for a lot of people, including some very weird picks. Whether it's automated or not, it's clearly not varying based on preferences effectively. Grondoth posted:I doubt an actual person made the decision to have it anywhere near the front page. Doesn't matter if it was or wasn't. Valve could stop this kind of thing but they choose not to. Cartoon Man posted:Isn’t there some mechanism to flag that game for racism and get it banned? There might be, but ever since the uproar about Hatred being banned, Valve has essentially chosen to wash its hands of the problem and just publish everything with no oversight at all. Because actually taking a stance in any direction gets them negative attention. In my opinion, Valve are now cowards. They're afraid to curate their platform because they might get slightly bad press, they're afraid to make sequels to some of the most popular series of all time because they might possibly not be as well-received as the previous titles, they're afraid to actually make ANY new games because they might possibly not be the immediate money printing machines that their existing FTP games are... They're afraid to do anything that takes effort, honestly. The last time someone stuck their neck out was for Artifact, and it failed due to their incredible hubris and cold feet on support - and people at Valve learned from that not to try making a game ever again. The only thing they're interested in actually dedicating time to is the occasional VR pet project, it seems, which gets a pass on actually making money because it's VR. Rotten Red Rod fucked around with this message at 17:51 on Feb 18, 2022 |
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Rotten Red Rod posted:In my opinion, Valve are now cowards. They're afraid to curate their platform because they might get slightly bad press, they're afraid to make sequels to some of the most popular series of all time because they might possibly not be as well-received as the previous titles, they're afraid to actually make ANY new games because they might possibly not be the immediate money printing machines that their existing FTP games are... They're afraid to do anything that takes effort, honestly. A Valve executive with a stealth forums account reads this and laughs as he lights a cigar with a 100 dollar bill. "Janet," he calls to his secretary, "I'm looking for something in an after dinner Rolex. I'm thinking platinum. And get a little something for yourself too, honey."
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William Henry Hairytaint posted:A Valve executive with a stealth forums account reads this and laughs as he lights a cigar with a 100 dollar bill. "Janet," he calls to his secretary, "I'm looking for something in an after dinner Rolex. I'm thinking platinum. And get a little something for yourself too, honey." “ And tell the development team to stop the final touches of Half Life 3 and trash the whole thing. Maybe next decade.”
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Rotten Red Rod posted:The rest of the front page isn't the issue, it's just the queue, which routinely displays nearly the same games for a lot of people, including some very weird picks. Whether it's automated or not, it's clearly not varying based on preferences effectively. Seems inevitable. The queue is trying to push 10 games a day. That's over 3600 games per year. How many new games come out each year that match your preferences? 50? 100? Either it repeats games it has already shown you, or it shows you things at are generally well liked even if they aren't much like what you usually play.
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Gihren Zabi would be proud. Or maybe not.
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And here I thought it couldn’t get much worse than Tyrone. Lol, of course it can always get worse.
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SexwithHitlerlike is the last genre I would have expected to spawn, but apparently...
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KAREN SEESquote:Night guard Bob faces chaos erupting at his mall when a bloodthirsty KAREN, armed with a knife and vicious words, breaks in looking for the manager!
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Great Lakes Simulatorquote:Live Your Dream.. Drive Modern And Classic Lake Freighters Including The Edmund Fitzgerald On The World Famous Great Lakes! A Full 1-to-1 Scale Re-Creation of Lake Superior And Lake Huron With Expansions Coming Soon To Lake Michigan Lake Erie And Beyond! Get Underway Tonite! Why is this terrible? Well, let me quote one of the reviews: quote:The description indicates that you get to "drive" freighters through the Great Lakes. I guess if your definition of "drive" means changing the throttle and camera, then that's accurate. It would be cool to see some things like:
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Terrible Awful Games: even my 5-year-old son asked why the ships looked weird
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ultrafilter posted:Great Lakes Simulator Just wait for the mod community to add those features in along with some other cool stuff like Somali pirate attacks or furry sex on the deck.
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