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while the thought of seeing the people who passive aggressively allude to posters and opinions they don't like as being secretly Nazi actually quote the posts they're talking about is intriguing, I don't think it would be very satisfying to read in the end
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Music talent shows seem like relics; at least in the US. Most of the contestants on shows like American Idol and the the Voice don't go on to be famous and the industry they're competing to join is famous for bad deals. I could be wrong though.
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Mar 5, 2022 22:01
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I think the problem is that those things have been going on for so long that it is hard to care about the 20th winner of a show.
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Mar 5, 2022 22:23
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It's also hard to find new talent when you're auditioning a bunch of cover artists. Unless you just want more disposable Disney Channel style packaged pop vocalists who can drop an Xmas album and disappear.
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Mar 5, 2022 22:31
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Dirt Road Junglist posted:It's also hard to find new talent when you're auditioning a bunch of cover artists. Unless you just want more disposable Disney Channel style packaged pop vocalists who can drop an Xmas album and disappear. Pretty sure that's always been the point? All the way back to the original Pop Idol show the prize was to release one guaranteed hit single (because people had been tuning in for a months-long ad campaign on national television) then become an answer in a trivia quiz.
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Mar 5, 2022 22:37
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But yes, supposedly the original American Idol winner's recording contract was absolutely awful. Where they didn't control anything and were basically dancing monkeys for the record label.
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Mar 5, 2022 22:40
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Which is funny because Kelly Clarkson is the only one to actually turn it into a career
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CharlestheHammer posted:Which is funny because Kelly Clarkson is the only one to actually turn it into a career Carrie Underwood as well
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Henchman of Santa posted:Carrie Underwood as well Is she still doing stuff? I know she had a pretty decent country career but I haven’t heard her for years. I know Clarkson has a talk show that still goes on
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muscles like this! posted:But yes, supposedly the original American Idol winner's recording contract was absolutely awful. Where they didn't control anything and were basically dancing monkeys for the record label. Same with the UK shows. One group revealed that while on their winners tour selling out 20,000 capacity stadia they were getting less than 1% of the gate.
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muscles like this! posted:But yes, supposedly the original American Idol winner's recording contract was absolutely awful. Where they didn't control anything and were basically dancing monkeys for the record label. So basically every big label record contract.
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Mar 6, 2022 00:34
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Didn't there use to be less... reality showy and over the top talent shows? I feel like there was a major shift somewhere in the 2000s to make them a lot more like reality shows with the edited/staged behind-the-scenes drama and hostile commentary. Also way more money involved.
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Mar 6, 2022 01:01
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It's funny when the losers of an American Idol season end up being more successful than the winners. Looking specifically at Chris Daughtry's career completely overshadowing anything Taylor Hicks has done.
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Vandar posted:It's funny when the losers of an American Idol season end up being more successful than the winners. Jennifer Hudson is arguably the most famous person to come from American Idol and she finished in 7th!
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Mar 6, 2022 01:14
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Did William Hung make more money than... whoever the hell won season three? Apparently he has fond memories of his music career 
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Vandar posted:It's funny when the losers of an American Idol season end up being more successful than the winners. Given the above contracts I wouldn't be surprised if the losers have exposure plus more freedom to actually sing what they want and are good at.
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DACK FAYDEN posted:Did William Hung make more money than... whoever the hell won season three? Apparently he has fond memories of his music career Well, it looks like we've got a mistrial, but on the plus side we've also got a Hung Jury! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaK_FgrIlYY LASER BEAM DREAM has a new favorite as of 04:14 on Mar 6, 2022 |
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Didn't there use to be less... reality showy and over the top talent shows? I feel like there was a major shift somewhere in the 2000s to make them a lot more like reality shows with the edited/staged behind-the-scenes drama and hostile commentary. Also way more money involved. It's whatever the reality show version of Flanderization is. They were just as scripted back then, but there's always some sort of drama that happens and that gets ratings so they chase that and so on and so forth.
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DACK FAYDEN posted:Did William Hung make more money than... whoever the hell won season three? Apparently he has fond memories of his music career Going by a radiolab(??) episode I heard about him, yeah he's okay with his early 00s viral fad status. well except that one time where he was trying to be a teacher and couldnt get control of the class and the senior teacher flatout told him either get them under control or youre never going to be a teacher. children(teens/HSers?) / students are pychos.  Also here's his cover of We Are The Champions thats the outro of the npr episode. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pt2P4F4Xi2g
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:It's whatever the reality show version of Flanderization is. They were just as scripted back then, but there's always some sort of drama that happens and that gets ratings so they chase that and so on and so forth. Every show ripping off each other and doing it harder and more intense until it becomes a parody of itself. It's a common thing in a genre where poo poo's cheap to make and doesn't usually rely on name talent, there's no point trying originality when you can just make more of what people can't seem to get enough of.
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I'm really trying to remember what middle-aged Clay Aiken mom fans called themselves and I can't remember. My only memory is that it was weird/creepy/possibly perverted. I keep thinking up random terrible names such as "Clayliens" "Claytonayters" "Claytorises" "Claymbiciles" "Claybabes" "Claydiots" "ClayClams" But I don't think any of those are it and I'm too lazy to google
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Picnic Princess posted:I'm really trying to remember what middle-aged Clay Aiken mom fans called themselves and I can't remember. My only memory is that it was weird/creepy/possibly perverted. I googled it and it's a crossword clue. Claymates
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Henchman of Santa posted:Jennifer Hudson is arguably the most famous person to come from American Idol and she finished in 7th! Melanie Martinez only made it to the top 6 in one of the first few seasons of The Voice and she ended up with a clothing line at Hot Topic + had a song she made in 2015 become a sleeper hit thanks to TikTok. I think she's got more clout among Gen Z technically speaking but I can't think of anybody more notable from the same show; a lot of the time it feels more like a vehicle for promotion for the coaches themselves than anything else
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Mar 6, 2022 12:17
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On The Voice they announce the winner with literally like 3 seconds of airtime left.
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They seem to be more willing to put politicians on reality tv these days, like Palin and Giuliani on the Masked Singer or Sean Spicer on Dancing with the stars. Hopefully they can create a hardcore Fear Factor version of Survivor and make it Washington D.C. and let hem cannibalize each other under a fresher pretense.
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BaldDwarfOnPCP posted:I googled it and it's a crossword clue. Claymates I'm surprised I didn't think of that one. Claybabes was kind of close.
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Maybe Michael Jackson is cheating but the plot of the musical short Ghosts is that his character moved into a spooky house on the edge of town and he's been entertaining local children who come to see him perform. A group of concerned parents show up saying things like "you're a freak! Get out of here! We don't like our kids hanging around you!" and he wins them over with the power of dance.
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Kevin DuBrow posted:Maybe Michael Jackson is cheating but the plot of the musical short Ghosts is that his character moved into a spooky house on the edge of town and he's been entertaining local children who come to see him perform. A group of concerned parents show up saying things like "you're a freak! Get out of here! We don't like our kids hanging around you!" and he wins them over with the power of dance. I'll call that and raise you Moonwalker, a movie tie in game where you play as Michael Jackson "rescuing" children from evil Joe Pesci: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r37TJdTI5M0
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Vandar posted:It's funny when the losers of an American Idol season end up being more successful than the winners. I think it basically became a rule of nature for Australian Idol that, with the exception of the first season where the winner's still going strong*, the winner would always flame out within one or two songs and one or more of the losers would completely eclipse them. I would say it generally came down to the fact that the winner was stuck in a personality-free and actually pretty narrow-appeal pigeonhole, while the losers got the better deal of a platform to show their stuff while not being stuck with a contract that sticks them in a genre they might not be suited for. Actually wasn't surprising that most of the non-winner successes went into genres like country, folk, or in one case metal. *and that one winner is mostly big off of a Hillsong-backed career at this point, so, poisoned chalice.
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I'm surprised more of those types of shows didn't crack down earlier and still lock down Finalists in some kind of 2nd/3rd Place Contract.
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Croccers posted:I'm surprised more of those types of shows didn't crack down earlier and still lock down Finalists in some kind of 2nd/3rd Place Contract. Didn't Kelly Clarkson get out of her contract and do better once she didn't have to use American Idol producers?
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Mooseontheloose posted:Didn't Kelly Clarkson get out of her contract and do better once she didn't have to use American Idol producers? Yeah, they had her on a seven record deal with Sony, an unenviable position since she didn't get royalties on any of those albums. Now that's she's out she's generally happier and can sign her own, better, deals.
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It also gave us the cinematic masterpiece: From Justin to Kelly
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christmas boots posted:It also gave us the cinematic masterpiece: From Justin to Kelly Which later delivered uponst us tiny Justin Guarini telling soccer moms they, too, can enjoy a refreshing Dr Pepper. Those ads are silly af and they make me smile.
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christmas boots posted:It also gave us the cinematic masterpiece: From Justin to Kelly Why we never got a Rifftrax out of this, I'll never know.
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Mister Kingdom posted:Why we never got a Rifftrax out of this, I'll never know. Either they didn't feel it was a good fit for riffing, or the owning company either said no or asked for more than they could afford, like when they tried to do Twilight but got shutdown.
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Kwyndig posted:Either they didn't feel it was a good fit for riffing, or the owning company either said no or asked for more than they could afford, like when they tried to do Twilight but got shutdown. Uhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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Mister Kingdom posted:Why we never got a Rifftrax out of this, I'll never know. How Did This Get Made? Did it as an episode of the podcast, although that’s more of a comedy discussion/ post watch reaction format than riffing so it doesn’t quite scratch the same itch
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They tried to do a live show with Twilight but couldn't because even with Kickstarter money they couldn't afford the rights to show it.
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muscles like this! posted:They tried to do a live show with Twilight but couldn't because even with Kickstarter money they couldn't afford the rights to show it. Ah, my mistake then.
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