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Mister Kingdom posted:I figured as much. What's odd is that no specific card is mentioned. Rosalie_A posted:It's like a fake psychic. They leave things out so you fill in the gaps and think it was them who came up with it. They will have you "verify our information" by asking you for everything or a more sophisticated version will offer the information they already have such as address, email, phone number, etc., possibly with some incorrect information to reinforce the fraud story. After you're on the hook they'll ask for your credit card information and reply with "oh, different card, never mind" and the fraud begins once you hang up. It's possible to determine the leading four from the card brand and get the last four from a breach, so if they get some of the middle eight, expiration, and CVV (if they're feeling saucy) they can run the checksum algorithm to determine the whole number and they're off to the races.
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Mister Kingdom posted:I figured as much. What's odd is that no specific card is mentioned. These scams are just random scattershots hoping for a bite, they don't know what kind of cards you have. They must get a better hit rate from being vague then guessing.
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Desert Bus posted:A "fake" psychic? Are there "real" psychics? I think there are people who are very good untrained behavioral psychologists who think that their observations and assessments of people are flashes of “psychic information” and are not intentionally scamming others with that.
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Gut feeling is real and has nothing to do with psychic powers. (It’s your subconscious checking in to say yes, this is a scam.)
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I set a filter for my email to send anything that has the word "kindly" in it to my spam folder.
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drat, that's nice.
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The carriers HAVE to know the origin of these scam number-spoofing calls that are so loving ubiquitous. How they can just let this go for YEARS is ridiculous. We need some consumer protection/advocacy agency with teeth to gently caress these people in the rear end. edit: I mean the carriers, gently caress the carriers in the rear end. duodenum fucked around with this message at 23:41 on Mar 14, 2022 |
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duodenum posted:The carriers HAVE to know the origin of these scam number-spoofing calls that are so loving ubiquitous. How they can just let this go for YEARS is ridiculous. We need some consumer protection/advocacy agency with teeth to gently caress these people in the rear end. I feel confident that there was a law or something that made the carrier have to pay you for every scam call, the problem would disappear immediately.
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It's weird because it's hard to imagine a sinister Spam Cabal that is the source of all scam calls, but it's also hard to imagine why the carriers and phone manufacturers would pretend that "oh golly gee there's just no way to stop these obvious bot calls from getting through" unless someone is paying them handsomely to look the other way. Because customers would certainly pay for that functionality, if they had to. But these are some of the wealthiest companies in the world, surely no one could afford to pay enough bribe money to persuade them to let scam calls through unless it was a sinister Spam Cabal that is the source of all scam calls. There's something going on here that I have never quite been able to fully understand. e: It may just be the Russian and/or Chinese governments, can't rule that out I guess Eric the Mauve fucked around with this message at 23:51 on Mar 14, 2022 |
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Eric the Mauve posted:It's weird because it's hard to imagine a sinister Spam Cabal that is the source of all scam calls, but it's also hard to imagine why the carriers and phone manufacturers would pretend that "oh golly gee there's just no way to stop these obvious bot calls from getting through" unless someone is paying them handsomely to look the other way. Because customers would certainly pay for that functionality, if they had to. But these are some of the wealthiest companies in the world, surely no one could afford to pay enough bribe money to persuade them to let scam calls through unless it was a sinister Spam Cabal that is the source of all scam calls. At least one US carrier does allow you to block scam calls, you just have to turn it on: https://www.t-mobile.com/support/plans-features/scam-id-and-scam-block
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It doesn’t work great to be honest, I still have to run software on top of it.
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Yeah it flagged legit local government calls for me as scammers.
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Eric the Mauve posted:It's weird because it's hard to imagine a sinister Spam Cabal that is the source of all scam calls, but it's also hard to imagine why the carriers and phone manufacturers would pretend that "oh golly gee there's just no way to stop these obvious bot calls from getting through" unless someone is paying them handsomely to look the other way. Because customers would certainly pay for that functionality, if they had to. But these are some of the wealthiest companies in the world, surely no one could afford to pay enough bribe money to persuade them to let scam calls through unless it was a sinister Spam Cabal that is the source of all scam calls. https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbestechcouncil/2022/01/28/months-past-us-stirshaken-deadline-other-nations-join-the-party/ Ignore the fact that it's an ad in the form of an article, I was mainly looking for recent updates. Change is definitely coming though how useful this will be is another question.
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Eric the Mauve posted:It's weird because it's hard to imagine a sinister Spam Cabal (snip) The moment swift sanctions hit russia and ability to pay was cut off, a -ton- of internet communities got a ton quieter and the signal to noise ratio cleared up a LOT. For -phones- though, a lot of what makes it through to my line is short code text abuse (the 5 letters). What's neat about short codes is that its a very simple matter to call your customer service and ask who owns it, and then write their website saying you're on the do not spam list, gently caress off and don't sell my data.
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Eric the Mauve posted:It's weird because it's hard to imagine a sinister Spam Cabal that is the source of all scam calls, but it's also hard to imagine why the carriers and phone manufacturers would pretend that "oh golly gee there's just no way to stop these obvious bot calls from getting through" unless someone is paying them handsomely to look the other way. Because customers would certainly pay for that functionality, if they had to. But these are some of the wealthiest companies in the world, surely no one could afford to pay enough bribe money to persuade them to let scam calls through unless it was a sinister Spam Cabal that is the source of all scam calls. Nothing so sinister as conspiracy, the carriers are simply paid to deliver the traffic and blocking it would lower profits.
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Volmarias posted:https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbestechcouncil/2022/01/28/months-past-us-stirshaken-deadline-other-nations-join-the-party/ there are more carriers than the few big phone companies everyone in the first world does business with. there are thousands of carriers out there, many of whom are not subject to american law. basically "the phone system" is a huge patchwork of legacy systems all interconnected, trying to keep spam calls off phones is like trying to keep spam emails off internet. you can cut it down a lot but you can never really eliminate it the big american phone companies have all implemented stir/shaken identification per FCC regulations as of last summer. this will help cut down on local spoofing but basically so long as your phone can accept international calls then it can be spammed from international callers. there's also nothing stopping spammers from getting legit numbers and then spamming from them until they get taken away basically its not a problem that regulation can solve. you can't preemptively identify when someone is going to make a phone call for a scammy purpose, you can only identify and react to it. its easy to blame conspiracy and capitalism but its a bit like saying the cops only allow people to get shot because they're being paid off by the firearm companies so they can keep their jobs pretending to solve murders, when we could simply make murders illegal
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If my phone allowed me to set it to not accept international calls I would happily do so, but it doesn't. Not that it actually matters because spoofing. What I want, but once again don't have, is a setting to automatically reject all calls/texts from numbers not in my contacts. Why that very simple option either doesn't exist or exists but doesn't quite seem to work right, depending on your phone, is the billion dollar question.
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The difference is that it's trivial to obfuscate who an email is coming from, but the origin of a phone call is 100% verifiable because phone calls have to be billed.
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Tunicate posted:The difference is that it's trivial to obfuscate who an email is coming from, but the origin of a phone call is 100% verifiable because phone calls have to be billed. Oh, no worries, they helpfully allow people to text from emails.
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Eric the Mauve posted:If my phone allowed me to set it to not accept international calls I would happily do so, but it doesn't. My phone has this feature (Android One, used in Japan.) Here, only landlines really get hit with sales calls. Mobile phones also have different, national area codes, so you can tell by looking at the number if it's mobile, wired, out of state, etc.
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Tunicate posted:Yeah it flagged legit local government calls for me as scammers. this makes me laugh, mad and sad. Also reminder that your local city probably has older phone base alert systems that are updated eariler/faster than birdsite or zuckbook poo poo. try to get your news directly from the source and not a gated garden of a billionaire techbro parasite.
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but yeah the phone system is so garbage that most people don't pick up unknown phone numbers and house scammers faking handwritten letters now mean that nobody opens handwritten letters Despite having valid phone numbers and addresses, I recently ended up having to contact a guy several states over by driving to his house and knocking on the front door because modern communications have degraded so far
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There’s no spam calls here in Denmark. EU regulations work. Modernized infrastructure probably also helps, but this is by and large a result of regulations, because cell companies are the ones responsible for cell towers etc. E: should be noted that there are very rare (like once a year) scam calls. These are targeted calls, usually hitting the elderly. Fruits of the sea fucked around with this message at 08:04 on Mar 15, 2022 |
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Tunicate posted:and house scammers faking handwritten letters now mean that nobody opens handwritten letters You're going to have to explain this one because it's a new one to me.
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Fruits of the sea posted:There’s no spam calls here in Denmark. EU regulations work. Modernized infrastructure probably also helps, but this is by and large a result of regulations, because cell companies are the ones responsible for cell towers etc. They can't work in the US because AMERICA something something
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Here in Greece the spam is real, EU regulations or not. Okay for the most part it's companies you've already buying from, like telecoms, but still. I already have internet and phone, why are you calling me once a week to offer me new, unrelated poo poo? Do you think I might also have 10 extra phones I need plans for? And of course there's the general scam calls that charge you when you pick up (somehow? I don't know, never happened to me and it sounds iffy but there's been articles).
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Fruits of the sea posted:There’s no spam calls here in Denmark. EU regulations work. Modernized infrastructure probably also helps, but this is by and large a result of regulations, because cell companies are the ones responsible for cell towers etc. EU regulations have the same power overseas that american regulations do - none at all. there aren't enough danish speakers worldwide to be worth trying to internationally scam the danes. drat near everyone speaks some english though
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Volmarias posted:You're going to have to explain this one because it's a new one to me. Real estate market is so hot they send hand addressed envelopes to try to get people to open their lowball 'i want to buy ur house' offers. I guess not a scam in terms of being illegal probably but still scummy
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Mr. Fall Down Terror posted:EU regulations have the same power overseas that american regulations do - none at all. there aren't enough danish speakers worldwide to be worth trying to internationally scam the danes. drat near everyone speaks some english though Huh, I guess I hadn't considered folks think we don't speak english. For the record, the percentage of Danes who speak english is somewhere north of 85%. Those who don't are mostly pensioners.
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Tunicate posted:Real estate market is so hot they send hand addressed envelopes to try to get people to open their lowball 'i want to buy ur house' offers. There are also machines that can do signatures, like what congress critters use to sign replies to constituent snail mail.
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Fruits of the sea posted:Huh, I guess I hadn't considered folks think we don't speak english. For the record, the percentage of Danes who speak english is somewhere north of 85%. Those who don't are mostly pensioners.
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Yeah, they are the only ones being targeted, but thankfully phone scams are quite rare. Now, fraud via e-mail on the other hand...
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Tunicate posted:Real estate market is so hot they send hand addressed envelopes to try to get people to open their lowball 'i want to buy ur house' offers. Pretty sure there's "handwritten" fonts on the addressing of some of these letters. I kept getting these kinds of letters you're describing from, for no reason I can understand, a company that sells old people hearing aids. Again, making GBS threads on the elderly by making them think someone might have cared about them and all, but this isn't a scam so much as it is junk mail.
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Volmarias posted:Pretty sure there's "handwritten" fonts on the addressing of some of these letters. I kept getting these kinds of letters you're describing from, for no reason I can understand, a company that sells old people hearing aids. Again, making GBS threads on the elderly by making them think someone might have cared about them and all, but this isn't a scam so much as it is junk mail. I’ve got a few of these for various insurance policies, if I recall correctly.
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I've gotten a couple of "handwritten" letters recently that were a mix of fake and real, but they were Jehovah's witnesses forcing their children to do Bible school homework sending out mail since no one opens their door anymore.
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Ugh, I did something similar in youth group and it was very uncomfortable.
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Just got an email this morning that I've been nominated for a listing in "Who's Who in America."
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MightyJoe36 posted:Just got an email this morning that I've been nominated for a listing in "Who's Who in America." I think you can self nominate into that, make sure you're not sleepwalking and also buying eBay pianos.
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Midjack posted:I think you can self nominate into that, make sure you're not sleepwalking and also buying eBay pianos. I haven't taken Ambien in decades.
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Eric the Mauve posted:If my phone allowed me to set it to not accept international calls I would happily do so, but it doesn't. Exactly, why is spoofing allowed? Why is it POSSIBLE? If it’s tolerated because it’s profitable, then turn the loving screws. AT&T probably makes sure senators’ phones and staffers’ phones never have this problem so it never comes up in D.C.
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