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wesleywillis posted:Am I reading that right and theiy're only giving 50 dollar credits for the stuff thats not included at the time? Correct. The first 2 items will never be installed. Only the 3rd one which says later retrofit will ever get installed (maybe). That car will never get the 4 way lumbar or steering wheel lock, at least that's the way I understand it right now.
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KillHour posted:News to me - BMW didn't offer to do anything about adding it. I suppose I could ask. No, that's what GM is doing. Dunno re: bmw.
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Residency Evil posted:Just curious how to think about our next car purchase. If that new car is going to be a new Porsche there may be a significant delay until a build allocation is available, depending on model. So in that case yes it would probably not be a bad idea to speak to the dealer.
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Crosby B. Alfred posted:https://twitter.com/JosephPolitano/status/1505658168894009344?s=20&t=dzmjq121vSyoDeZBQyeVhw As far as 3 row SUVs and minivans go, it feels like it's worse now than it was late last year.
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skipdogg posted:Correct. The first 2 items will never be installed. Only the 3rd one which says later retrofit will ever get installed (maybe). That car will never get the 4 way lumbar or steering wheel lock, at least that's the way I understand it right now. Looking forward to paying $50,000 for a new Toyota Corolla with no air conditioning, manual seats, roll up windows and manual locks in five years 
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Hadlock posted:Looking forward to paying $50,000 for a new Toyota Corolla with no air conditioning, manual seats, roll up windows and manual locks in five years Corolla GR, you see it’s it’s weight reduction.
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Hadlock posted:Looking forward to paying $50,000 for a new Toyota Corolla with no air conditioning, manual seats, roll up windows and manual locks in five years At least you know that it'll last you 20 years....
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I'm seeing this "SmartPath' process available with certain Toyota dealerships (for example this NYC area one), which claims to make the entire car purchase process online:quote:SmartPath lets you do as much online (or as little) as you like. Unlike some other outdated car shopping sites, we show you all the actual inventory on the dealer’s lot, with current pricing, so you’ll never miss out on a great deal. There seem to be some good NYC area brokers which might also help circumvent the standard in-person purchase process too.
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Nocturtle posted:There seem to be some good NYC area brokers which might also help circumvent the standard in-person purchase process too. I went through one of these and the only contact I had with the dealer was when I went to pick up the car. I gave them a credit card for the taxes due at signing and they handed me the keys.
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Nocturtle posted:I'm seeing this "SmartPath' process available with certain Toyota dealerships (for example this NYC area one), which claims to make the entire car purchase process online: I found a problem 
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 this isn't normal, right? $1k extra on a used car for "accessories" that came with the car from the factory? i sorta wanted this car at their listed price, but drat. (ignore the financing numbers, I'm getting ~2.5% from my credit union)
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They scotch guarded it and put a LoJack in it so the bank can repo it easier if you don’t make payments, those things didn’t come with it from the factory. $75 for “tech package” is probably a cigarette lighter USB charger. $699 “doc fee” is on the high side also.
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Stevie Lee posted:
Just what are these accessories? They may be charging you for a GPS tracker.
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Stevie Lee posted:
The "accessories" almost certainly didn't come from the factory. It's likely to be a $60 cheap chinese "alarm system" that was hacked in by a methhead at the dealership causing massive wiring harness damage. Bonus that it almost definitely is cellular so they can track your car via GPS and even make it so it won't start so it's easier for their repo guys if you stop paying.
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oh that's what LoJack is... that's dumb, I'm not even going through their financing. still waiting on a response from the dealer on what the other poo poo is i assumed the tech package was referring to the Hyundai tech package that it has (leather seats, panoramic sunroof, premium stereo, etc) since that's what Hyundai calls it, but that $75 fee makes more sense if it's something like that
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where's the actual monroney? edit oh wait used car, yeah. not normal and probably actively harmful poo poo like offbrand lo-jack.
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bird with big dick posted:$699 “doc fee” is on the high side also. I'd bet it's at or $1 below the legal maximum for their area.
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The accessories are itemized at the bottom of the page.
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Lol they billed you for detailing the car instead of eating it as a business expense
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Hadlock posted:Lol they billed you for detailing the car instead of eating it as a business expense yeah I'm not buying from them even though i do want that car. scumbags
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Deteriorata posted:Just what are these accessories? They may be charging you for a GPS tracker. It's in the fine print at the bottom lol. They're all laughable. Hadlock posted:Lol they billed you for detailing the car instead of eating it as a business expense This is extremely common. I can't remember years later but I think they refused to remove that line item on my used car also. It was like a $300 detailing fee. I was close to walking away but the out-the-door price that I hammered them to get was competitive so I still took it. Classic capitalist win-win scenario. Inner Light fucked around with this message at 20:07 on Mar 24, 2022 |
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Thanks for the replies.bird with big dick posted:I found a problem KillHour posted:I went through one of these and the only contact I had with the dealer was when I went to pick up the car. I gave them a credit card for the taxes due at signing and they handed me the keys.
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Here’s a weird, blessed conundrum I have: do I take a 7yr @ 3.7% unsecured loan or wait up to 10 months to get a ??% @ 5yr secured loan.
What would y’all do? I’m definitely leaning towards the unsecured loan. It’s an interesting financing decision regardless. DNK fucked around with this message at 05:00 on Mar 25, 2022 |
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People here will tell you not to base decisions now about the future, but looking at what's been happening I can't imagine (and this is just a wild-rear end-guess) that inflation will drop below 3.7% any time soon and the unsecured loan is looking pretty good. In the before times when inflation was 1.8-2.1% I'd say pay it off sooner but the CPI is going to get higher before it levels off and it's already at 7.5%. My car has retained 100% of it's cash value since we bought it, and we've put ~15k miles on it and it's a luxobarge that historically deeply depreciates
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Cars are loving stupid.
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Shine posted:Cars are loving stupid.
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Cool and fun cars are the good kind of stupid though.
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Not a thread regular, but can we put something in the OP about the car buying services (Carmax, etc)? I feel like I've been directing people from AI / the regional forum to this thread a bit lately for help getting their car sold and that might be helpful. Also every experience with Vroom I can find seems very negative.
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I wish someone in November had told me Vroom was awful, yeah. The more we get that word out, the better. I got my front license plate holder installed at a local dealership today, along with having four (minor) recall services from the last three years done, and fixed a front lane assist sensor fault thing under warranty, all poo poo a real in-state dealership probably would have done before selling the car in the first place; I think this concludes the last of my lingering business with Vroom's criminal incompetence and shittiness, and I can hopefully wash my hands of them forever. However I have no doubt they'll send me an email in three months asking for more paperwork for the registration they already completed, because that's just how they do. They did not respond to the BBB complaint I filed in Texas, naturally. Their rating is an F. Have you ever seen a BBB rating of F? https://www.bbb.org/us/tx/stafford/profile/used-car-dealers/vroom-0915-90044633 4,458 Customer Complaints
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Leperflesh posted:all poo poo a real in-state dealership probably would have done before selling the car in the first place; This is systemic, but a dealer get warranty reimbursement for doing that poo poo, so of course they will for anything on their used lot. It's not a motivation for buy-a-car-with-an-app places.
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Have any businesses in the last 50 years actually given a gently caress about BBB ratings?
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No but only because Google has replaced them. They care a lot about those.
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wesleywillis posted:Have any businesses in the last 50 years actually given a gently caress about BBB ratings? Yeah that's why I didn't even think to look at that rating before buying from Vroom. I didn't even think to look at online ratings either, though, and that's on me. Friends had a good experience from Carvana and I made the dumb leap to thinking all these car delivery sites were doing the Lord's work of undermining the ridiculous entrenched collusive anticompetitive interstate dealership network bullshit while simultaneously and laudably not being Tesla, and therefore, cool and good. Didn't occur to me to think "hmm well just because Carvana was good for my friends that doesn't mean every other company is also on the ball."
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Leperflesh posted:Yeah that's why I didn't even think to look at that rating before buying from Vroom. Well thank you for sharing your experience. I will steer people away from Vroom if I'm in that position again.
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Oh wow nevermind. Not a great time to try to buy a hybrid.
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Nocturtle posted:Oh wow nevermind. Not a great time to try to buy a FYP
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Friend of mine impulse-bought a 2021 Santa Fe Calligraphy about a year ago year and has only put 6k miles on it. He's bitching that fuel efficiency is atrocious and wants to switch out to something better, ideally a Hybrid. I know the market is dumb right now, but from what he tells me he'd be ok going carless for a 2-3 months since he's mostly WFH and in a big metro area so he can use public transportation or Uber as needed. Would it make sense in this market for him walk into a dealership and try offer to trade-in the Santa Fe for a new car that might be delivered somewhere down the line? To me it seems like a barely used Santa Fe with immediate availability is something valuable enough that a dealer would be incentivized to slash the price of a new car. Or is the market too hosed for even that and he should just keep the Santa Fe until things calm down?
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There is no way someone who mostly works from home and drive 6k miles a year is going to make up the transaction costs of getting a more fuel efficient car within the reasonable lifetime of that more fuel efficient car. So the whole idea is dumb. Not just in todays car buying market. It's always been a dumb idea. You should suggest to your friend that they do some basic math for a few minutes.
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If he wants to sell the car, potentially for about what he paid for it, and go carless for an extended period of time (1yr+), it could make sense to get rid of it right now while the market is tight. But that's a bit different than what you've suggested. If he's just going to immediately get into something else it's dumb and doesn't pencil out in cost savings at all. He might just be trying to rationalize wanting a different car, which is fine, but he should admit it and stop coming up with bad math to justify decisions under false pretenses. Guinness fucked around with this message at 22:56 on Mar 28, 2022 |
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Guinness posted:He might just be trying to rationalize wanting a different car, which is fine, but he should admit it and stop coming up with bad math to justify decisions under false pretenses. It is 100% this. He bought the Santa Fe and doesn't like it. He likes the gadgets and wants something in the SUV category, but doesn't like the Santa Fe, specifically. To be fair to him, he just switched from a 70+ hour a week job to closer to 40 and actually has time to use the car now. Plus this job is outside of the city and he'll start driving more once they go back to in-person, but that won't happen until Q3, at the earliest, so the timing works out. Edit: ok so in conclusion there's no clear advantage to trading in a good car right now, vs doing it 1 year down the line. dpkg chopra fucked around with this message at 23:09 on Mar 28, 2022 |
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