hn thread: Lead is not a toxin, but is essential for the brain.

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ultrafilter: Aug 23, 2007; It's okay if you have any questions.

Chris Knight posted:

hn thread: it's no fun to compute

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Juul-Whip: Mar 10, 2008

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I have big hopes for the future of computing for myself, Microsoft, the computer industry, the economy, and civilization

jesus christ we're doomed

# ? Mar 22, 2022 01:29

Internet Janitor: May 17, 2008; "That isn't the appropriate trash receptacle."

Doc Hawkins posted:

had a big lol at

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And I really like hierarchical file systems so really REALLY like Microsoft's NTFS (new technology file system) and do a lot of tree walking, searching, copying, deleting, etc.

mayhaps graycat could do with a tad more deleting

# ? Mar 22, 2022 01:52

Subjunctive: Sep 12, 2006; ✨sparkle and shine✨

hmm, think I�ll try to get some hierarchical search in before bed�but no copying, don�t want to get too wound up and wreck my sleep!

# ? Mar 22, 2022 01:58

Doc Hawkins: Jun 15, 2010; Dashing? But I'm not even moving!

yeah im really into file system operations these days

# ? Mar 22, 2022 03:43

FMguru: Sep 10, 2003; peed on;
sexually

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likes: walking on the beach, fresh cut flowers, traversing tree-like file systems (copying, deleting, things of that nature)

dislikes: mean people

# ? Mar 22, 2022 03:48

Internet Janitor: May 17, 2008; "That isn't the appropriate trash receptacle."

FMguru posted:

dislikes: mean people, forced updates, operating systems that are not windows, windows

# ? Mar 22, 2022 05:38

lobsterminator: Oct 16, 2012

I hope to one day save enough money so that I can buy a computer that allows me to delete files, even copy them!

# ? Mar 22, 2022 06:36

eschaton: Mar 7, 2007; Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

but everyone knows these days that filesystems are a huge red flag

# ? Mar 22, 2022 08:53

Qwertycoatl: Dec 31, 2008

i also dislike mean people, forced updates, operating systems that are not windows, and windows

# ? Mar 22, 2022 08:56

4lokos basilisk: Jul 17, 2008

graycat posted:

Adobe now "Dead to me."

graycat is not only a poster, its a diagnosis

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lobsterminator: Oct 16, 2012

fritz posted:

graycat 14 hours ago | parent | context | next [�] | on: Windows needs a change in priorities

Except for some details, I really REALLY like Windows. Really what I'm liking is computing, and Windows is a big part of that because I selected Windows instead of Linux.
Over the years there have been some changes: So, we have new hardware, some HUGELY important new communications standards, a huge effort on computer security, etc., and it is crucial that Windows has kept up with the changes. I like that. And I like that I can still run my favorite old programs: Since I do all I can with plain text, my most heavily used program is my favorite text editor KEDIT. And I really like hierarchical file systems so really REALLY like Microsoft's NTFS (new technology file system) and do a lot of tree walking, searching, copying, deleting, etc.
But Microsoft went for an unstated philosophy of a graphical user interface (GUI) where (a) there is a metaphor of direct manipulation of desktop objects and (b) commands and operations are to be learned by experimentation without documentation. I can see some utility there, otherwise I still like command lines because the documentation tends to be better, it is more clear just what is going on, and I can script, automate some of the operations.
And I get to write software, e.g., in .NET, ASP.NET, ADO.NET for my Web site startup and whatever else seems worthwhile. So far, I like .NET. I do wish Microsoft had explained, just explained in simple text, just what the heck .NET CORE was. By now I've come to a guess that .NET CORE is irrelevant to me and I should f'get about it -- would have been nice to have had some EXPLANATION.
For the future of GUIs, that seems to be just Web pages, i.e., HTML.
For me, the above is the view of Windows I find most important. For the future, I hope that Microsoft does not mess up that view. To have me a happier customer, Microsoft should concentrate on one word, DOCUMENTATION.
I can understand that Microsoft has some middle managers who want to add things to Windows or change Windows to improve it. Now, for changes such as I mentioned above, SURE. Otherwise, please sit down: Each new version of Windows I find to be, in one word, a pain. The changes are not improvements but PAINS. E.g., with the old version of Windows, after hundreds of hours of work I finally learned and documented for myself how to get routine things done. Then with the changes, I have to invest many more hours just to be able to continue to get routine things done and for no gains at all. Sorry Microsoft middle manager: To me you are like TV producers, what they try for, I don't like; what I like, they don't try for.
E.g., as far as I can tell from a command line window
Examples:
> runas /noprofile /user:mymachine\administrator cmd
is wrong. Just wrong. It doesn't work. First, set aside that from this "example" can't tell what is a constant and what is a variable. So, try all possible combinations. Second, still, nothing works. Nothing. Go for 1, 2, 3 hours trying everything. Did I mention, nothing works? This is grotesquely bad computing. Just awful. Want to make things better, fix things like that.
But it's worse: Go out on the Internet and can find lots of documentation of that command. Some of the documentation has lots of double quote marks. Nothing worked. Hours; nothing worked. We're talking mud wrestling here. Eventually I got the software to request my administrator password, but that was as far as it went.
This isn't my work. Yet my time, effort, energy are soaked up, repeatedly, over and over, by such system management mud wrestling documentation problems.
Eventually I guessed some of what was going on and found another path that did work. It's not fully clear just why that worked, but it did.
Documentation? I took some good notes, and apparently they are better than anything from Microsoft or readily available on the Internet.
The main bottleneck in my startup is the bad documentation that leads to wasted effort in this mud wrestling. What fraction of my effort goes to such stuff? Essentially 100% -- I can't get back to my real work due to a continuing list of such disasters. They are taking up ALL my time, just mud wrestling from bad documentation.
For Windows, Firefox, Acrobat, etc., sure, important security updates and otherwise I'll consider updates in functionality maybe twice a year, maybe once a year, or once each 2nd year. Except for security, bluntly and quite broadly I don't want your updates but will consider some, say, occasionally. As you force updates on me, I get TORQUED, become a VERY unhappy customer.
E.g., Adobe went too far, essentially taking over my PC, at startup, with updates I don't want, with popups, with "Do you want to ...", and yesterday I deleted everything from Adobe now "Dead to me.". Firefox will read a PDF (portable document format) file, at least the ones I want read, a little better than Acrobat. Adobe, with me, you went too far and BLEW IT.
I have big hopes for the future of computing for myself, Microsoft, the computer industry, the economy, and civilization, but I want do to my part, get on with it, and there is no room in that work for me to click "NO" tens of thousands of times to popup windows stopping my work until I answer some "Do you want to ...", and there is no excuse for the system management mud wrestling from bad documentation.
At one time Microsoft was very interested in "developers, developers, developers!!!". Well, I'm trying to be one. Then I hope to be a good customer for Windows Server and SQL Server. And on Windows XP and Windows 7 I got 100,000 lines of .NET code running apparently as intended. But now I've lost YEARS of time in system management mud wrestling from bad documentation.
I can't be a good customer of Windows Server if you have me stuck in a mud hole wasting time.
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Graycat has to be a troll. The main giveaway for me is the acronym explanations.

NTFS (new technology file system)
graphical user interface (GUI)
PDF (portable document format)

A real person would not need to keep explaining these standard things. Unless they are a hackernews weirdo.

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Xarn: Jun 26, 2015

It's also their number 1 complaint (that people don't explain common acronyms).

I genuinely want to know what their diagnosis is, because the posts are amazing.

# ? Mar 22, 2022 12:32

josh04: Oct 19, 2008; "THE FLASH IS THE REASON
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the post about explaining what a "middle" click is had really expanded my scope of what a graycat documentation issue might consist of

# ? Mar 22, 2022 13:55

mystes: May 31, 2006

Oh that's the middle click person again? lmao

# ? Mar 22, 2022 14:04

Breakfast All Day: Oct 21, 2004

re: a data center burning down bc it had no fire suppression or electricity cutoff, was built of wood, was designed like a big trashcan mac pro chimney

taubek 2 hours ago | prev | next [�]

Aren't there some regulations that would prevent such building to get operating permit?

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krisoft 1 hour ago | parent | next [�]

I don't understand this sentiment.

It is an industrial site. Nobody got hurt. The fire didn't spread to other people's property. Why are you all so upset about this?

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cbg0 1 hour ago | root | parent | prev | next [�]

It could have spread, and people could have gotten hurt. If you have a useful head on your shoulders, then you should have a proactive mindset and try to prevent issues instead of sending thoughts and prayers after the fact.

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krisoft 1 hour ago | root | parent | next [�]

> It could have spread, and people could have gotten hurt.

Could it though? It is a standalone installation on an industrial site. There are about ten meter-ish standoff between them and their neighbours. (which is also an industrial site)

> If you have a useful head on your shoulders, then you should have a proactive mindset and try to prevent issues

And if you have an even more useful head on your shoulders you calibrate your level of upset to the level of actual danger.

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~~the market regulates itself~~ its actually fine when the market burns poo poo to the ground. good actually. i mean as a nodejs expert and therefore certified dumpster fire marshall, i dont walk 10m in a day so certainly a fire couldnt

# ? Mar 22, 2022 14:08

alexandriao: Jul 20, 2019

Doc Hawkins posted:

had a big lol at

NTFS (new technology file system)

# ? Mar 22, 2022 14:17

Zlodo: Nov 25, 2006

lol (laughing out loud)

# ? Mar 22, 2022 15:23

FCKGW: May 21, 2006

EVERY MORNING I WAKE UP AND OPEN PALM SLAM A HIERARCHICAL FILE SYSTEM INTO THE SLOT. ITS NTFS (NEW TECHNOLOGY FILE SYSTEM) AND RIGHT THEN AND THERE I START DOING THE MOVES ALONGSIDE WITH THE OS (OPERATING SYSTEM). I DO EVERY MOVE AND I DO EVERY MOVE HARD. MAKIN WHOOSHING SOUNDS WHEN I DO A LOT OF TREE WALKING, SEARCHING, COPYING, DELETING, ETC.

# ? Mar 22, 2022 15:39

Doc Hawkins: Jun 15, 2010; Dashing? But I'm not even moving!

alexandriao posted:

NTFS (new technology file system)

it's comedic genius

# ? Mar 22, 2022 16:08

AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018

post hole digger posted:

im sending that guy to jail.

thank you

# ? Mar 22, 2022 17:51

eschaton: Mar 7, 2007; Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

lobsterminator posted:

Graycat has to be a troll. The main giveaway for me is the acronym explanations.

NTFS (new technology file system)
graphical user interface (GUI)
PDF (portable document format)

A real person would not need to keep explaining these standard things. Unless they are a hackernews weirdo.

I know someone who does exactly this: in every email on a social mailing list, they will expand every acronym and initialism at first use

as an extra bonus they�re a hyper-capitalist weirdo who thinks government doing anything at all is Socialism which is Communism which is genocide!!!

# ? Mar 22, 2022 17:59

lobsterminator: Oct 16, 2012

eschaton posted:

I know someone who does exactly this: in every email on a social mailing list, they will expand every acronym and initialism at first use

as an extra bonus they�re a hyper-capitalist weirdo who thinks government doing anything at all is Socialism which is Communism which is genocide!!!

I assume you mean email (electronic mail).

# ? Mar 22, 2022 18:20

Sapozhnik: Jan 2, 2005; Nap Ghost

FCKGW posted:

EVERY MORNING I WAKE UP AND OPEN PALM SLAM A HIERARCHICAL FILE SYSTEM INTO THE SLOT. ITS NTFS (NEW TECHNOLOGY FILE SYSTEM) AND RIGHT THEN AND THERE I START DOING THE MOVES ALONGSIDE WITH THE OS (OPERATING SYSTEM). I DO EVERY MOVE AND I DO EVERY MOVE HARD. MAKIN WHOOSHING SOUNDS WHEN I DO A LOT OF TREE WALKING, SEARCHING, COPYING, DELETING, ETC.

# ? Mar 22, 2022 18:48

man in the eyeball hat: Dec 23, 2006; Capture the opening of the portal that connects this earth of 3D to one earth of 4D or 5D. Going to the 5D.

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paxys 28 minutes ago | root | parent | next [�]

Your kids have the right to everything you own (including your name) by default unless you take steps to change that, say using a will or estate.

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spoonjim 0 minutes ago | root | parent | next [�]

Yes, I know, I'm saying that it should not be that way. Rights to your likeness should end at your death unless you specifically write down otherwise.

writing my kids out of the will unless they change their names upon my death

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animist: Aug 28, 2018

Mr.Radar posted:

Now think for a moment, can you construct a sentence that is at all logical, that doesn't move the goalposts or do any linguistic trickery, that could possibly describe where our universe came from? Don't worry about it being true, just a reasonable sentence that obeys the laws of cause and effect?

I believe that human language has not yet reached a point where it could describe anything like that. If that has true we have debated for centuries about a question that even if an individual knew the answer they would be unable to express it to anyone else.

nobody tell this guy about wittgenstein

# ? Mar 22, 2022 20:25

Best Bi Geek Squid: Mar 25, 2016

Doc Hawkins posted:

had a big lol at

I�d be curious to hear some examples of what he thinks are non-hierarchical file systems in use today

# ? Mar 23, 2022 00:36

Subjunctive: Sep 12, 2006; ✨sparkle and shine✨

S3, kinda?

# ? Mar 23, 2022 00:44

Jabor: Jul 16, 2010; #1 Loser at SpaceChem

There are definitely filesystems where the hierarchy of "foo/bar/baz is contained in a folder called foo/bar, which is contained in a folder called foo" is just a convention rather than something enforced and maintained by the system.

# ? Mar 23, 2022 00:49

Zamujasa: Oct 27, 2010; Bread Liar

Best Bi Geek Squid posted:

I�d be curious to hear some examples of what he thinks are non-hierarchical file systems in use today

imgur

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4lokos basilisk: Jul 17, 2008

lobsterminator posted:

I assume you mean email (electronic mail).

i assume you mean mail (man arriving inserts letter)

# ? Mar 23, 2022 06:56

eschaton: Mar 7, 2007; Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

lobsterminator posted:

I assume you mean email (electronic mail).

that�s literally how they write and it�s an easy way to mock them but by far not the most tedious thing about them

# ? Mar 23, 2022 07:47

eschaton: Mar 7, 2007; Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

Best Bi Geek Squid posted:

I�d be curious to hear some examples of what he thinks are non-hierarchical file systems in use today

MPE is still in sufficient use that some software and support companies are still around even though HP isn�t issuing patches any more (the main filesystem is hierarchical-ish but accounts, groups, and files are separate kinds of things with different functionality so it�s more like a 2-layer hierarchy at most)

I know various aspects of z/OS also primarily use some sort of flat record-oriented storage system for batch processing, more like a relational database

and then there�s i aka OS/400 where instead of a filesystem you have directly addressed storage for a 128-bit virtual machine so instead you use database poo poo for what�s normally filesystem poo poo, or something like that

quick, someone make sqlite3fs where you put a SQLite3 database on raw block storage with some sort of dynamic allocation of the WAL (shm & wal) file areas

eschaton fucked around with this message at 08:12 on Mar 23, 2022

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Best Bi Geek Squid: Mar 25, 2016

yeah I more mean that if he thinks that a hierarchical file system is a killer feature specific to windows he might have some�interesting views about those commonly used on Linux and Mac

# ? Mar 23, 2022 17:36

Mr.Radar: Nov 5, 2005; You guys aren't going to believe this, but that guy is our games teacher.

legalcorrection 19 minutes ago | undown | root | parent | next [�]

They are doing so well in part because of the propaganda. The average Westerner and Ukrainian has an unrealistic idea of their prospect of victory, and an inflated sense of Russia's desires to commit cruel atrocities for the sake of it. If they knew the truth about both�that Ukraine is likely to lose the war and that Russia has no interest in massacring and torturing civilians (if they did, they would have won the war weeks ago)�they probably would not have been so eager to fight. There's a small chance this unrealistic expectation of victory becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy, but I doubt it. The real winner is the West. Ukraine will still fall, but at much higher cost to Ukrainian people. All those Ukrainians are getting themselves killed and their cities destroyed so that the West can better deter future Russian military adventures. That is, they are dying for Poland, the Baltic states, and American hegemony, and perhaps for a romantic idea of going down fighting, but not for the best outcome for their people.

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BolexNOLA 13 minutes ago | unvote | root | parent | prev | next [�]

>Russia has no interest in massacring and torturing civilians
He says as they shell residential areas, hospitals, etc.

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legalcorrection 6 minutes ago | undown | root | parent | prev | next [�]

Not exactly true. From what I've seen, upon investigation, targeted facilities were being used for military purposes. Again, if they were fine just killing civilians, they'd have just flattened a couple of cities to make an example of them and we'd have millions of dead civilians. The war has become complicated because Ukraine has been arming people en masse (totally legitimate) and operating out of civilian infrastructure (also legitimate in specific circumstances, but it makes that infrastructure a legitimate military target). I'm sure there's been some bungled strikes, and possibly some malicious ones, but that's clearly not the general thrust of the Russian strategy here. Do you really think Russia doesn't have the capability to just bomb central Kiev out of existence?

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The Russia Defender has logged on. To quote the wisdom of the ancients, you do not, under any circumstances, "gotta hand it to them".

# ? Mar 23, 2022 19:24

Doc Hawkins: Jun 15, 2010; Dashing? But I'm not even moving!

isn't it more correct to say the full phrase followed by the acronym in parentheses on first usage, and then use the acronym only for subsequent usages?

# ? Mar 24, 2022 16:26

mystes: May 31, 2006

Doc Hawkins posted:

isn't it more correct to say the full phrase followed by the acronym in parentheses on first usage, and then use the acronym only for subsequent usages?

I think you mean "initialism"

# ? Mar 24, 2022 16:28

matti: Mar 31, 2019

Doc Hawkins posted:

isn't it more correct to say the full phrase followed by the acronym in parentheses on first usage, and then use the acronym only for subsequent usages?

it is good technical writing hygiene, yes. but maybe unnecessary when you are writing a post on-line

# ? Mar 24, 2022 16:31

4lokos basilisk: Jul 17, 2008

matti posted:

it is good technical writing hygiene, yes. but maybe unnecessary when you are writing a post on-line

look if i post (put online some text) it is vitally important to adhere to the highest standards so that future digital archaeologists can reconstruct the full knowledge of human civilization in 2022 based on my hornyposting in youtube comments

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Doc Hawkins: Jun 15, 2010; Dashing? But I'm not even moving!

it's a sign that they find it annoying when people use acronyms they aren't familiar with and have to spend three seconds binging (running a search on the website bing dot com) the answer

# ? Mar 24, 2022 18:50

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