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Wee Bairns posted:And are these watchers affiliated with Gary Steven's bosses? I think you may be on to something. ”Wikipedia” posted:The pilot was debuted as an episode of Star Trek, where Gary Seven, assigned by his planet's agency as a Class One Supervisor known as Supervisor 194, has been sent to determine why two resident agents, colleagues Agent 201 and Agent 347, had stopped reporting to their superiors. Emphasis mine. Guinan mentioned a Supervisor. I went back and checked and the subtitles even capitalize Supervisor, so it’s 100% a Gary Seven connection. Just incredible that Matalas is bringing that back 
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Big Mean Jerk posted:I think you may be on to something. There is also the smokey door-shaped transporter effect which is what the inside of Gary Seven's transporter in a safe looked like!
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I DO appreciate though how in the span of 40 years the bus punk from The Voyage Home 1) has not changed one iota and yet 2) was thoroughly traumatized by Kirk and Spock to the point where any pair of weirdos on the bus with him telling him to turn his music off gets him to IMMEDIATELY comply.Wee Bairns posted:Yeah, the events of the episode "Time's Arrow" aren't referenced at all, which surprised me, as chronologically it's already happened from both Guinan and Jean-Luc's perspective. Time's Arrow isn't overtly mentioned but it clearly hangs over every scene between Picard and Guinan and that moment where he tells her his name and she goes "poo poo." DEFINITELY reads as her going "Oh gently caress, it's that guy from the Mark Twain thing." I agree though, the actor playing young Guinan was spot on and there was even a couple of shots where I swear she basically looked exactly like 90s Whoopi Goldberg. nine-gear crow fucked around with this message at 09:35 on Mar 24, 2022 |
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blastron posted:My guess would be that Guinan didn't recognize Picard by face since it's been a hundred years since they met, but as soon as he said his name she made the connection. It's been a long time since I watched Time's Arrow, though. That's a good explanation, could also be that I vaguely remember Guinan was injured and kinda delirious when she met Picard in Time's Arrow, so maybe she just doesn't remember anything that happened after entering the cave. But I haven't seen that episode in at least a decade now myself so I can't remember the sequence or specifics at all. Another good episode. I enjoy the implication that the Picards have their English accents because they fled France in WW2 and didn't return for centuries.
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"I hate everything" "But you hide it so well" Rafi is way more fun this season. That said, words can't possibly express how little I care about 2024. Present day Star Trek was fun in in ST4. More interesting in DS9, weird and quirky in VOY, but I'm very very over it. I get it, it's social commentary and probably warranted in this atmosphere, but I just can't help but feel very uninterested. This is still fun, I've just adjusted my expectations on what I'm probably going to enjoy in the next episode or so, depending on how soon we get out of this dumb century, if at all. some kinda jackal fucked around with this message at 12:52 on Mar 24, 2022 |
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So Guinan is bothered by 21st century humanity but she didn't leave earth when she was around to experience literal slavery? This whole "conflict" felt so forced and adds to the pile of "everything is horrible" in nutrek. Why do they have to be so in your face about these things? It doesn't even make sense if you consider the Star Trek timeline because things are going to get A LOT worse in the near future so if the modern day US is bothering Guinan then what about WW3 or why didn't she leave earth after ww2 (probably the peak of human cruelty at scale)? Shouldn't someone like Guinan be somewhat above these things? She acts like she is just an average women from the time and not like an ancient being that has knowledge and wisdom beyond any human.
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Tars Tarkas posted:There is also the smokey door-shaped transporter effect which is what the inside of Gary Seven's transporter in a safe looked like! Yeah, the transporter is definitely patterned on Gary Seven's, it's got blue smoke flowing edge-to centre, like his MikeJF fucked around with this message at 13:09 on Mar 24, 2022 |
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It’s incredibly white privilege of me to say I’m tired of being reminded how awful this place is right now, and that’s perfectly appropriate criticism to level at me, but I guess I was hoping for more of a fun sci fi romp from Star Trek and not literal exposition that leaves me hella depressed. Trek has always been about social commentary but I don’t think it was ever really “gritty” until Nu-Trek, and I can count on one hand the number of “gritty” shows I like, so I mean — i’m watching but I’m definitely looking forward to Lower Decks to laugh again. But I mean, in their defence they never really marketed this as a a fun sci fi romp so any expectations are entirely on me. Anyway, it’s early and I haven’t had my coffee so I might have said some dumb things, I dunno. If this is a Bad Post then I guess I’ll eat the criticism coming my way humbly. some kinda jackal fucked around with this message at 13:12 on Mar 24, 2022 |
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I really hope when Picard is done we get STARSTARTREKGAZER the series (Oh come on you know they'll do something infuriating with the double Star in the logo) SSTTAARR GTARZEEKR MikeJF fucked around with this message at 13:26 on Mar 24, 2022 |
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AJA posted:STAR TREK: PICARD, Season 2, Last Episode Script The neverending startrek, woo ooh oooh....
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LinkesAuge posted:So Guinan is bothered by 21st century humanity but she didn't leave earth when she was around to experience literal slavery? Slavery had the world getting rid of it and it lasting extremely long in North America. If she wasn't in America, she could have seen constant progress even with that as well. Progress is super frustrating now due to how news travels and we can see everyone's inner thoughts on the Internet, but its still happening. I see it as a last straw thing where she's tired of it over the years and especially when people SHOULD have progressed but are actively trying to regress in this era.
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gently caress yeah that was like Voyage Home meets Past Tense meets First Contact meets Lower Decks. Definitely felt like when he said his name that was her remembering the 19th century encounter.
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Could that lady at the end be Renee Picard? At the Academy Picard mentioned someone involved in the early Solar System exploration and she seemed to be part of the Europa mission.
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Yeah, captioning confirms that.
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I hope that if Watcher Laris has a sassy shapeshifting cat assistant like Gary Seven did that it’s just another version of Elnor for shits and giggles.
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Comedy option: this season is just another back-door pilot for GARY SEVEN coming to PARAMOUNT PLUS.
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HD DAD posted:Comedy option: this season is just another back-door pilot for GARY SEVEN coming to PARAMOUNT PLUS. Assignment: Earth finally getting picked up would be another slam dunk for that Roddenberry guy especially since CBS finally decided to pick up that space show with the Pike guy and the lady first officer.
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HD DAD posted:Comedy option: this season is just another back-door pilot for GARY SEVEN coming to PARAMOUNT PLUS. If that’s the case then Terry Matalas is the greatest troll in Trek history and we should all buy him a beer in celebration of his accomplishment.
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HD DAD posted:Comedy option: this season is just another back-door pilot for GARY SEVEN coming to PARAMOUNT PLUS. 
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Speculation: Q changed the timeline to teach Jean-Luc a lesson, in the usual casual way but he hosed up and screwed himself up and can't reverse it. The one that greeted Picard in ep2 is from after he realised that he can't fix this himself, and is panicked. The one at the end of Ep4 is as he realises it for the first time.
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I always saw Q as a Dr Manhattan type that exists outside of time and sees everything that he exists in simultaneously, which is why he's always pushing Picard to think more in 4D to transcend and become more like them.
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Stuff. https://i.imgur.com/AKH1Odd.mp4 https://i.imgur.com/hjMJp4x.mp4 https://i.imgur.com/WSjfLCa.mp4 E: wait, we still can't spoil mp4 embeds properly? That sucks. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 16:15 on Mar 24, 2022 |
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MikeJF posted:Stuff. I like how the second one got flagged as adult because AI is dumb
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Looking at Dave Blass's behind the scenes stuff, it's interesting that this was the concept art for one of the plaques and this was the final art they applied to the plaque   putting aside the ship change, curious that they actually reversed out of showing the nuTrek design back to the TOS look.
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Finally got through the first 3 episodes of Picard last night. Seems good but man 7 episodes more is an eternity of things to screw up.
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Pretty clever how they retconned the actual concentration camps on the border as Sanctuary Districts.
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IMO I wish they'd cast Isis Carmen Jones as "young(er)" Guinan just for fun. She previously played lil' Guinan in the Rascals TNG episode.
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Another episode that could have been condensed down to 5-10 minutes without losing anything. Edit - It wasn't as bad as the last two, but even less happened in most of it so there is so little to actually judge. Rescue Rios is taking way too long to go anywhere, half the Picard scenes were saying the same thing over and over, and we get it, the watcher is secretive. This show wastes so much time. Super Deuce fucked around with this message at 17:25 on Mar 24, 2022 |
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One of the few things I liked about season 1 of Picard is that, at least in the first ~2-3 episodes, they played Picard himself as clever, confident, and everything you'd want an old Picard to be. He knew how to gain robot-girl's Trust. He knew where to go looking for clues. He was witty and quick...but physically on the decline. They eventually lost their grip on this. This season I don't get that sense of the Picard character. He seems way more shaky and unsure about what to do. It stinks! Beyond that, for all the Trek refences they keep jamming in, this show wants to be Terminator so badly. And I'd love to let Seven and Rios run around LA trying to stop a Borg. But we aren't actually going to get that. It (also) stinks!
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Jurati betraying the Queen immediately after having been smugly informed that species that believe in trust are ripe for conquering was fantastic. I’m also glad that they didn’t give her a one-liner about it, since she seemed very uncomfortable about the whole thing.
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blastron posted:Unrelatedly, what was Q trying to do to that woman at the end? He seemed to be narrating her inner doubts, but what was supposed to be the result of the snap? Was he being a huge bully and trying to yank those doubts to the surface? I very much want to know what's wrong with him. I saw it as either one of two things 1. On the way to starting the timeline fracture, he's playing with people's fates for fun. In this case, pulling an inception and planting negative thoughts in someone's mind to derail their life. Only he fails and it doesn't happen. 2. This was originally supposed to be the timeline fracture, but he fails, and will need to fracture the timeline in a different way in a few days.
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All fictional time travel expanations run into some paradox or another but yeah that passes the bar of 'makes sense'.
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Wow they really thought of everything and it’s definitely not bullshit they came up with to cram down gullible peoples throats
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Fidel Cuckstro posted:Wow they really thought of everything and it’s definitely not bullshit they came up with to cram down gullible peoples throats So wait you really think the creative team pulling Gary Seven references forgot an entire two-parter finale/premiere in TNG?
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