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DuckConference posted:facebook pays a lot, can't have us lower classes getting uppity and threatening the ivy league rich kids and their old money, so you better not take the job because it's unethical facebook, famously created by a rags-to-riches kid without any trust funds and without a harvard pedigree at all and staffed exclusively with blue-collar workers who don't have ivy pedigrees at all, right?
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Pie Colony posted:facebook isn't a moral company but i feel like that's the norm, not the exception, for companies. like oh, you made your thing really addicting and compulsive? congrats on your fat raise and promotion at any tech company in the world. basically there's no moral faang, and from all accounts facebook is a good company _for the employees_, so i'm not gonna hate on someone going to work there FB's addiction and compulsion issues are the modern day tobacco equivalent and that is the least of the issues for the company. There's only a few products I can think of that are remotely equivalent and none* of them to the same level or have the compounding issues that FB does. * Maybe TikTok, but I wouldn't work for ByteDance either.
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not going to bother shaming qhat for the job given my own work history and the realities of the world, but lol if they ever post anything even distantly resembling a defense of fb again.
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Mar 31, 2022 17:54
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CarForumPoster posted:man I gotta defend qhat AND say someones being too hard on facebook? I dislike posts from both those things! building and renting out the worlds most powerful propaganda engine to the worst people on earth is not identical to but is just as bad as building bombs. I dont post in this thread but I popped in to say that I view working at Facebook to be immoral unless you're there to deliberately sabotage it. It's been apparent for many years who upper management is and they wont have their minds changed by people inside. You may not be pushing people into the ovens, but you're alphabetizing the victim lists.
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Mar 31, 2022 17:55
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if you can get a job offer at Facebook you can probably get a job offer for somewhere that isn't the propaganda wing of the dudes who want to kill trans kids
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kitten emergency posted:if you can get a job offer at Facebook you can probably get a job offer for somewhere that isn't the propaganda wing of the dudes who want to kill trans kids yeah, it's a great tool to squeeze more money out of a place where you would actually want to work
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rotor posted:building and renting out the worlds most powerful propaganda engine to the worst people on earth is not identical to but is just as bad as building bombs. and to be clear, this isn't hyperbole. facebook is to the myanmar genocide as ibm was to the holocaust
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Mar 31, 2022 18:02
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Are folk seriously discussing the objective morality of working for different companies in a thread dedicated to getting payed hundreds of thousands of dollars for little work? I do love a little holocaust comparison in the interviewing thread.
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Mar 31, 2022 18:03
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Do you think all work is the same? This thread is about how you can make 250k writing an app for pizza delivery so why on earth would you work at loving facebook
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Mar 31, 2022 18:05
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because they’ll pay $500k if a pizza delivery app will pay 250?
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Mar 31, 2022 18:06
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besides, if you work in the meta verse part surely you’re actively sabotaging Facebook’s ability to do bad stuff so it’s actually good
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Mar 31, 2022 18:07
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hobbesmaster posted:because they’ll pay $500k if a pizza delivery app will pay 250? well, the actual terms we're talking about from qhat is 270k usd and you can deffo get 270k usd at a lotta places not w/ vancouver hq's, tho
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Mar 31, 2022 18:07
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So will Netflix but they don't make children depressed on purpose as an experiment
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Mar 31, 2022 18:08
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I'm trying to interview with bae systems, any tips for the interview?
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hobbesmaster posted:besides, if you work in the meta verse part surely you’re actively sabotaging Facebook’s ability to do bad stuff so it’s actually good This is a fair point though lol
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bob dobbs is dead posted:facebook, famously created by a rags-to-riches kid without any trust funds and without a harvard pedigree at all and staffed exclusively with blue-collar workers who don't have ivy pedigrees at all, right? those types at the top probably quite upset that they have to pay regular-rear end people plutocrat money to cj the metaverse
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Mar 31, 2022 18:12
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AnimeIsTrash posted:I'm trying to interview with bae systems, any tips for the interview? Don't ask them to define collateral damage. I have actually worked for BAE in the dim and distant past, wasn't a great place to work then.
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Aramoro posted:Are folk seriously discussing the objective morality of working for different companies in a thread dedicated to getting payed hundreds of thousands of dollars for little work? Half the people here work for the other letter in FAANG. Lol
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Mar 31, 2022 18:13
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Get me into the metaverse.
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Mar 31, 2022 18:15
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Aramoro posted:Are folk seriously discussing the objective morality of working for different companies in a thread dedicated to getting payed hundreds of thousands of dollars for little work? Yes. The idea that I can't find facebooks actions immoral because i'm paid well strikes me as odd. Do only baristas get to think facebook is evil? quote:I do love a little holocaust comparison in the interviewing thread. when the shoe fuckin fits
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Mar 31, 2022 18:23
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since we did not provide explicit accurate steps for each and every possible nuance and context on how to minimize the harm you do to the world while mocking fb, it's an idiot choice SO GO GET PAIDDDD i made 7mil last year so i am also writing this to gatekeep people (for every possible bigoted reason) from my tech job
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Mar 31, 2022 18:25
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rotor posted:Yes. The idea that I can't find facebooks actions immoral because i'm paid well strikes me as odd. Do only baristas get to think facebook is evil? You absolutely can, it's just that every FAANG company and most other companies paying big numbers are also immoral, just in different ways. Is Facebook worse than Apple? Probably, both are still bad though.
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Mar 31, 2022 18:33
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Aramoro posted:You absolutely can, it's just that every FAANG company and most other companies paying big numbers are also immoral, just in different ways. Is Facebook worse than Apple? Probably, both are still bad though. Sure, every company is immoral but some are far far moreso than others. Last I checked, Netflix was not facilitating genocides.
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Mar 31, 2022 18:37
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Yeah you can draw the line in the sand wherever you want and if it's just $BIG you're after you don't have to do war crimes and make a propaganda horror machine to do it
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Mar 31, 2022 18:39
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PokeJoe posted:Yeah you can draw the line in the sand wherever you want and if it's just $BIG you're after you don't have to do war crimes and make a propaganda horror machine to do it Exactly. Facebook doesnt pay THAT MUCH more than its competitors. If you can get a senior engineer job at fb, you can do it most other places and make more or less the same money. The "but i need money" argument doesnt hold water. Simply get your money elsewhere. Or just say "i dont care/prefer to remain deliberately ignorant."
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Mar 31, 2022 18:45
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i always think of facebook's position wrt. myanmar as basically radio mille collines
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Mar 31, 2022 19:49
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actually the fact that nothing is perfect means that everything is the same. i am good at math and logic, i have a big engineer brain
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Mar 31, 2022 19:50
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AnimeIsTrash posted:I'm trying to interview with bae systems, any tips for the interview? unhelpful yet topical anecdote: a college buddy of mine quit bae specifically because, quote, "it became too weird to work on products with the word 'kill' in the name"
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Mar 31, 2022 19:59
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there's no ethical consumption under capitalism so I bought a few hundred ivory chess sets because what's the difference between that and wood
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i feel like shooting for figgies is good, but at some point you need to stop and think whether you really need all that money and whether your day job is uhh helping the world in generally or not or maybe there’s a job you could do that is less contributing to global or local problems
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id never heard of bae until those two posts. it's basically british raytheon, right? i did an interview at raytheon a few years ago. it wouldve been a super cool job but it basically would've been working on (digital) weapons. luckily the logistics of the job (move to DC area, better-than-i-was-making-but-not-eye-watering figgies) meant that the choice to decline the offer was pretty easy. im glad it wasn't facebook or something offering 600k to do the same job, its easier to not have to really face those choices
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i'd rather optimize for a <40 hr work week rather than a >200k pay packet at this point
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raminasi posted:unhelpful yet topical anecdote: a college buddy of mine quit bae specifically because, quote, "it became too weird to work on products with the word 'kill' in the name" The way to ace that interview is to ask if you can bring your own brown child cutout to blow up in the combat simulations.
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AnimeIsTrash posted:The way to ace that interview is to ask if you can bring your own brown child cutout to blow up in the combat simulations. aren’t they English? just drop a line about finishing the job in Northern Ireland and you have your in
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Sapozhnik posted:i'd rather optimize for a <40 hr work week rather than a >200k pay packet at this point you dont have to choose between the two
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ok i'm in a real odd situation and i don't know what the gently caress is going on. recruiter posted:I hope you’re having a great day so far! I chatted with [Hiring Manager] and the rest of the team and they all really enjoyed meeting you. me posted:Thanks for the update! I enjoyed meeting the team as well. Everyone was great to talk to and seemed great to work with. Could you provide more clarity on what this means for my interview process? recruiter posted:Thanks for checking! In terms of your interview process, it effectively is on pause at this point. like thoughts on what? did i pass the interview and eventually have an offer coming? do i have to interview with the new nyc hiring manager? i need to know more to have thoughts dude. what do i say back? cause i'm not handling this well.
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oh they just completely don't have their poo poo together and don't know what to tell you say "OK, thanks for the transparency" and pretend you got a rejection. they may or may not hit you up with an offer for a job, or an offer to continue the process, in the next week/month/whatever but basically it sounds like the recruiter doesnt know wtf is going on and it's kind of a shitshow it sucks man, i'm sorry
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You aren't getting an offer anytime soon from the sounds of it. Keep looking for other jobs
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congrats, ur the NY manager now
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they know i have a job and am not in a rush. why not just reject me and move on? it's just so loving odd because i said i would be open to relocation for the right offer and the team is still remote... so why this focus on nyc now? i have so many questions. y'all are right. i should just say "sure reach back out when you know more and i'll let you know what's up with me."
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