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KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


SexyBlindfold posted:

was it Dwarf Fortress that accidentally made colonies flood with catpiss due to a botched update?

Nothing pees or shits in DF, but if there was a bug involving cats, it was almost certainly DF.

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smarxist
Jul 26, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

KillHour posted:

Nothing pees or shits in DF, but if there was a bug involving cats, it was almost certainly DF.

something about the cats treading through puddles of booze and getting drunk to the point of puking by cleaning themselves

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


smarxist posted:

something about the cats treading through puddles of booze and getting drunk to the point of puking by cleaning themselves

They died actually.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAhHkJQ3KgY

NewMars
Mar 10, 2013

Riatsala posted:

In 20 years game developers will have refined the pissing mechanic to such a point that you can order up to five people to piss at a time, and they'll automatically go to the best bathroom as determined by a manually established bathroom ranking algorithm the player creates every time they start a new map

This will be praised as a revolutionary quality of life change that breathes new life into the colony sim genre and spoken about at length during industry retrospectives for years to come

You joke but apparently this kind of thing is a major complaint about Honey I joined a Cult.

dead gay comedy forums
Oct 21, 2011


skeleton warrior posted:

The best news is that it's $5, so you really can't go wrong with it. If you liked Cultist Simulator as a game, but like many posters, stopped playing it when the dev was outed as a serial sexual harasser, this is a great replacement.

frankly a "Mage Simulator" done by a dev that actually cares for great UX and gameplay would be super duper great imho

nielsm
Jun 1, 2009



The words "mage simulator" instantly made me think of Magicka.

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

nielsm posted:

The words "mage simulator" instantly made me think of Magicka.

:hmmyes:

And now I know what I’m doing when I get home from work.

Bhodi
Dec 9, 2007

Oh, it's just a cat.
Pillbug

Riatsala posted:

In 20 years game developers will have refined the pissing mechanic to such a point that you can order up to five people to piss at a time, and they'll automatically go to the best bathroom as determined by a manually established bathroom ranking algorithm the player creates every time they start a new map

This will be praised as a revolutionary quality of life change that breathes new life into the colony sim genre and spoken about at length during industry retrospectives for years to come
I mean, this just sounds like an idler game to me. You start out having to manually help people piss, then you upgrade to auto-pissers and before you know it you're colonizing the galaxy using ships fueled and propelled entirely by urine

RabbitWizard
Oct 21, 2008

Muldoon

Bhodi posted:

I mean, this just sounds like an idler game to me. You start out having to manually help people piss, then you upgrade to auto-pissers and before you know it you're colonizing the galaxy using ships fueled and propelled entirely by urine

Mode 7
Jul 28, 2007

Can anyone recommend some good beginner's/dumb idiot babbys first management games? My concerns are mostly good tutorialisation and clear mechanics and I'm happy for suggestions from any subgenre ranging from base building to train game.

Hihohe
Oct 4, 2008

Fuck you and the sun you live under


Simcity 4. It actually has a tutorial and stuff but to me is pretty simple.

Paint zones a bit, when you have a bit of profit going add a service( schools, hospitals, running water) watch people build nicer houses, repeat.

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?
OpenTTD is free and if you don't delve into the insane world of train signals, it's simple. I used to play the poo poo out of it back in the day.

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


Hihohe posted:

Simcity 4. It actually has a tutorial and stuff but to me is pretty simple.

Paint zones a bit, when you have a bit of profit going add a service( schools, hospitals, running water) watch people build nicer houses, repeat.

Until you decide to download mods and spend an hour trying to get an offramp onto a roundabout just right.

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

At least the tiles mean it's possible to get a nice connection, unlike the vector based roads that every city builder since has used.

SC4 is still the gold standard for the genre, it really deserves a remaster to modern standards.

Hihohe
Oct 4, 2008

Fuck you and the sun you live under


God what i love about Simcity 4 the most is the region map mechanics

Its completely optional but being able to make other towns whos economies feed into one another was great and i wish these modern cities games would have that mode.

The bad Simcity was online only because they were like "what if other people were the other regions" and that misses the point.

I dont want to build one city, i wanna build more!

CuddleCryptid
Jan 11, 2013

Things could be going better

NewMars posted:

You joke but apparently this kind of thing is a major complaint about Honey I joined a Cult.

Is this game otherwise any good? Steam keeps recommending it to me but it looks like it had big idle game energy.

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

HopperUK posted:

OpenTTD is free and if you don't delve into the insane world of train signals, it's simple. I used to play the poo poo out of it back in the day.

“Motherfucker have you heard about COCAINE!?!?”

Arcturas
Mar 30, 2011

I haven't been following the thread recently, so I don't know if any of you are still playing Against the Storm but, if so, I am having a devil of a time figuring out how much food my pops eat. Is there a formula or information anywhere? I have a vague sense that whenever a pop goes on break, they take whatever they need to consume from the closest hearth and then chill for a bit. So that's when they'll eat, put on clothes, consume services, etc. (Maybe?)

But do they always eat one of everything available? Do they eat one basic food and then one of each complex food? Do they just eat one food (prioritizing complex, presumably) and then get their resolve needs adjusted based on the availability of complex food?

On a related note, how often do pops go on break?

All of this would be helpful for trying to balance the number of gathering camps I need, as well as choosing what to farm.

Ichabod Sexbeast
Dec 5, 2011

Giving 'em the old razzle-dazzle

MrYenko posted:

“Motherfucker have you heard about COCAINE!?!?”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_x2m6i4KFqg

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

Hihohe posted:

God what i love about Simcity 4 the most is the region map mechanics

:same:

Being able to stuff all your filthy industry in a neighboring tile and it has zero impact on your residential city was cheesy as gently caress, but it was FUN. Then you got to figure out a way to keep the highway that went between regions from being a 24/7 traffic jam.

Nothing since has done such a good job letting you just do whatever the hell you want, build a hellscape megalopolis or a bunch of farming towns separated by long distances.

Mayveena
Dec 27, 2006

People keep vandalizing my ID photo; I've lodged a complaint with HR

Mode 7 posted:

Can anyone recommend some good beginner's/dumb idiot babbys first management games? My concerns are mostly good tutorialisation and clear mechanics and I'm happy for suggestions from any subgenre ranging from base building to train game.

Banished. Craft the World. Maybe Astroneer.

Kvlt!
May 19, 2012



Mode 7 posted:

Can anyone recommend some good beginner's/dumb idiot babbys first management games? My concerns are mostly good tutorialisation and clear mechanics and I'm happy for suggestions from any subgenre ranging from base building to train game.

OpenTTD and Megaqarium

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

+1 for Astroneer. It's a really good looking and chill experience. I'm not a huge fan of the pokemon hunting they've added to it but the farming resources loop is pretty good and there's some neat stuff to discover.

If you do pick it up, learn to rely on holding control while digging caves and turn on toggle sprint in the settings.

Xerol
Jan 13, 2007


Hihohe posted:

God what i love about Simcity 4 the most is the region map mechanics

Its completely optional but being able to make other towns whos economies feed into one another was great and i wish these modern cities games would have that mode.

The bad Simcity was online only because they were like "what if other people were the other regions" and that misses the point.

I dont want to build one city, i wanna build more!

I bet region play at least partly came about because they wanted to make cities scale to a certain size, which was beyond technical limits of the game/engine at that point in time. Which turned out to be great because you can abstract away most of the simulation of >90% of the tiles in the region, so you can have a city that is truely huge without having to simulate every single part of it all the time.

Mr. Fall Down Terror
Jan 24, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
the thing i miss most about sim city 4 is the soundtrack, it was very peak maxis. it holds up well for a 20 year old game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltGDR3f3duY

Anime Store Adventure
May 6, 2009


Relatedly Sim Casino is a tiny bit shallow but boy howdy does the soundtrack ever hit that same Old Maxis vibe perfectly.

deep dish peat moss
Jul 27, 2006

I want a HD remaster of Sim City 4. I don't even care if they remaster anything except the graphics just give me the same exact game in good-looking 4k

I've been trying to play Cities Skylines again recently but it's just so much work when things aren't grid-based. It's not a quick and easy thing to slap down a bunch of water pipes or neighborhood roads, it takes concentration and actual mechanical effort. As cool as curved roads are, SC4 is still superior because you don't have to micromanage every step.

deep dish peat moss fucked around with this message at 00:05 on Apr 19, 2022

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

deep dish peat moss posted:

I want a HD remaster of Sim City 4. I don't even care if they remaster anything except the graphics just give me the same exact game in good-looking 4k

SC4 is crash happy on modern systems too, so a fix for that would be super appreciated.

They're still listing the game for $20 on steam so they know people love it. Other games of that era are usually under $5.

lunar detritus
May 6, 2009


I tried playing Cities Skylines and it's so incredibly ugly at 4k. :negative:

WithoutTheFezOn
Aug 28, 2005
Oh no

Anime Store Adventure posted:

Relatedly Sim Casino is a tiny bit shallow but boy howdy does the soundtrack ever hit that same Old Maxis vibe perfectly.
It’s the same composer, Jerry Martin.

Dayton Sports Bar
Oct 31, 2019
Dangit this thread made me install SimCity 4 again. Maybe I'll get around to learning NAM's gazillion new transport options this time.

K8.0
Feb 26, 2004

Her Majesty's 56th Regiment of Foot
OpenTTD is insanely inaccessible. It almost immediately devolves into spending hours learning how to use the extremely bad UI to craft workarounds for functionality that would be a single button in any modern game.

Mode 7 posted:

Can anyone recommend some good beginner's/dumb idiot babbys first management games? My concerns are mostly good tutorialisation and clear mechanics and I'm happy for suggestions from any subgenre ranging from base building to train game.

I would argue that Factorio is not just the best management game but the best game ever made, but I don't think you should start there. The current game actually does a pretty good job of teaching itself to you, but it's so many layers of onion that it's a lot to take on.

If you're looking for a transit game, I would definitely recommend Voxel Tycoon. It's like the babby version of OpenTTD. The UI is modern and just works, unlike OpenTTD where... yeah have fun if you haven't been playing since the original TTD and built up tolerance to all of its bullshit and bad design. If you want a construction/scaling game like Factorio but more approachable, consider Dyson Sphere Program. The tutorial is engrish supreme, but it's not a hard game to pick up and it has zero pressure of any sort so you can't really gently caress up. Also, I've never played Banished, but the game has long had a reputation for being both addictive and chill.

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

Factory town is charming and simple and very well made .

It has an excellent tutorial and a learning campaign mode

Mr. Fall Down Terror
Jan 24, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

K8.0 posted:

Also, I've never played Banished, but the game has long had a reputation for being both addictive and chill.

banished has a chill aesthetic but the gameplay is harsh, it is a slow but demanding logistics build which will lead to you grumpily realizing in the dead of winter that you are completely out of food and many, many people will starve

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009

K8.0 posted:

OpenTTD is insanely inaccessible. It almost immediately devolves into spending hours learning how to use the extremely bad UI to craft workarounds for functionality that would be a single button in any modern game.

I would argue that Factorio is not just the best management game but the best game ever made, but I don't think you should start there. The current game actually does a pretty good job of teaching itself to you, but it's so many layers of onion that it's a lot to take on.

If you're looking for a transit game, I would definitely recommend Voxel Tycoon. It's like the babby version of OpenTTD. The UI is modern and just works, unlike OpenTTD where... yeah have fun if you haven't been playing since the original TTD and built up tolerance to all of its bullshit and bad design. If you want a construction/scaling game like Factorio but more approachable, consider Dyson Sphere Program. The tutorial is engrish supreme, but it's not a hard game to pick up and it has zero pressure of any sort so you can't really gently caress up. Also, I've never played Banished, but the game has long had a reputation for being both addictive and chill.

Railroad Tycoon 2 may be also worth considering? It's very old (not sure how well it works on modern machines, but it is on Steam), but it's also way more focused than OpenTTD, and at least isn't going to make you run for the hills at 500 pages of settings on its opening screen.

(Don't really know about 3)

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

Factory town uses the same “language” as other similar management games so if you like it you can get to the more complicated ones

queeb
Jun 10, 2004

m



lunar detritus posted:

I tried playing Cities Skylines and it's so incredibly ugly at 4k. :negative:

it has real poo poo performance too, i think its single cored or something?

skooma512
Feb 8, 2012

You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.

K8.0 posted:

OpenTTD is insanely inaccessible. It almost immediately devolves into spending hours learning how to use the extremely bad UI to craft workarounds for functionality that would be a single button in any modern game.


You say this, but in a modern games they wouldn't even have the functionality and if you're TTD brained you will resent its absence.

Looking at you Transport Fever 2 and Railway Empire. Thankfully TF2 is patching up the signalling system in a couple months. Still hate how they didn't (at last check) implement a waypoint system for aircraft, while punishing noise generation, even though noise mitigation is the one of the reasons people define waypoints and standard arrivals and departures.

BrianRx
Jul 21, 2007

Mr. Fall Down Terror posted:

banished has a chill aesthetic but the gameplay is harsh, it is a slow but demanding logistics build which will lead to you grumpily realizing in the dead of winter that you are completely out of food and many, many people will starve

Yeah, not sure it would be a great intro to the genre, especially the way failure sometimes manifests several seasons after making a mistake. I love it but it and Frostpunk are the only management games to stress me out.

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OgNar
Oct 26, 2002

They tapdance not, neither do they fart

euphronius posted:

Factory town is charming and simple and very well made .

It has an excellent tutorial and a learning campaign mode

This

Its management easy mode but enjoyable.

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