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BaldDwarfOnPCP
Jun 26, 2019

by Pragmatica

Volmarias posted:

Only dumb for thinking that hr would even know what principles are

the mistake is that they have principles plural

they only have the one and it's handling damage

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Kesper North
Nov 3, 2011

EMERGENCY POWER TO PARTY
i want an OSI burrito

Methanar
Sep 26, 2013

by the sex ghost

ate poo poo on live tv posted:

Outbound ECMP will work fine even across multiple carriers, inbound though, heh, Good Luck!



mostly unrelated but I just remembered more funny networking poo poo at that last job.

We had this horrible ghetto custom hardware situation we built out. And the wired were so poorly laid out with unshielded network cables directly against these huge power lines powering 15 devices that sometimes because of all the electromagnetic interference would cause things to auto negotiate down to 100mbps lmao

BattleMaster
Aug 14, 2000

is that the setup that caused someone on this forum to have a meltdown because they were so sure that it had to do with child porn somehow or am I thinking of some other jank-rear end hardware setup?

Methanar
Sep 26, 2013

by the sex ghost

BattleMaster posted:

is that the setup that caused someone on this forum to have a meltdown because they were so sure that it had to do with child porn somehow or am I thinking of some other jank-rear end hardware setup?

yes

mod saas
May 4, 2004

Grimey Drawer

BattleMaster posted:

is that the setup that caused someone on this forum to have a meltdown because they were so sure that it had to do with child porn somehow or am I thinking of some other jank-rear end hardware setup?

what

Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

EMAIL... THE INTERNET... SEARCH ENGINES...

BattleMaster posted:

is that the setup that caused someone on this forum to have a meltdown because they were so sure that it had to do with child porn somehow or am I thinking of some other jank-rear end hardware setup?

What the gently caress?

Lysidas
Jul 26, 2002

John Diefenbaker is a madman who thinks he's John Diefenbaker.
Pillbug
wasnt that nbsd too?

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

BattleMaster posted:

is that the setup that caused someone on this forum to have a meltdown because they were so sure that it had to do with child porn somehow or am I thinking of some other jank-rear end hardware setup?

yeah, nbsd loving owned himself over the abomination that was that project

loving brilliant, that was

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

Methanar posted:



mostly unrelated but I just remembered more funny networking poo poo at that last job.

We had this horrible ghetto custom hardware situation we built out. And the wired were so poorly laid out with unshielded network cables directly against these huge power lines powering 15 devices that sometimes because of all the electromagnetic interference would cause things to auto negotiate down to 100mbps lmao

i love this whole thing simply for being built, because it's so profoundly bad.

i could have sworn it was a university project or something because there was just no way someone would try to build an actual product like that, but welp.

Chris Knight
Jun 5, 2002

me @ ur posts


Fun Shoe

Kesper North posted:

i want an OSI burrito

you mean bean dip

sb hermit
Dec 13, 2016





If I were a person that only watches porn, then I could see no other conceivable reason to convert and remaster video streams except for porn.

The reality is that I only watch anime.

Zamujasa
Oct 27, 2010



Bread Liar

Methanar posted:



mostly unrelated but I just remembered more funny networking poo poo at that last job.

We had this horrible ghetto custom hardware situation we built out. And the wired were so poorly laid out with unshielded network cables directly against these huge power lines powering 15 devices that sometimes because of all the electromagnetic interference would cause things to auto negotiate down to 100mbps lmao

it's a huge pile of poo poo but the real question is did they

Quackles
Aug 11, 2018

Pixels of Light.


BlankSystemDaemon posted:

ah, the not-invented-here school of development, popular with opensource developers everywhere

all the open-source developers who don't use left-pad, that is :v:

BattleMaster
Aug 14, 2000


Volmarias posted:

What the gently caress?

I can't do justice to the story but the gist is that Methanar was vague about what it was used for (something to do with restreaming video to bypass regional restrictions I think) but nbsd thought, possibly because of how sketch the hardware looked, that it couldn't possibly be for any purpose except something incredibly illegal and morally reprehensible and freaked out about it badly

Crime on a Dime
Nov 28, 2006
that owned. not sure why it wasnt profitable tho theres quite a few successful iptv sites

go play outside Skyler
Nov 7, 2005


it was pretty obviously for streaming cable channels. there was a really successful service called zattoo here which started out in the legal grey zone that i'm sure used a setup very similar to this.

no reason to believe it was cp

Crime on a Dime
Nov 28, 2006
pretty sure almost everyone realized that

Agile Vector
May 21, 2007

scrum bored



Crime on a Dime posted:

that owned. not sure why it wasnt profitable tho theres quite a few successful iptv sites

aereo was the one i was thinking about when nbsd went down that very weird rabbit hole and that was a rather well-known legal back-and-forth that made their jump to conclusions reaction all the more bizarre

Rufus Ping
Dec 27, 2006





I'm a Friend of Rodney Nano
i for one still believe hes using it for child abuse imagery

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

Rufus Ping posted:

i for one still believe hes using it for child abuse imagery

showing kids screenshots of my posts?

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
you monster

Kitfox88
Aug 21, 2007

Anybody lose their glasses?

Subjunctive posted:

showing kids screenshots of my posts?

:doink:

abigserve
Sep 13, 2009

this is a better avatar than what I had before

Plorkyeran posted:

osi has basically no relevance to modern networking unless you just completely ignore everything except for the names of the layers and assign them to unrelated things

and "modern" here means "since before the people now learning about osi in school were born"

Ay

Ay

Stop that young man

The first four layers of the OSI model still fundamentally represent the foundation of networking. It's like arguing gravity isn't relevant anymore because we have planes

Packets are still built and parsed the same way they were decades ago.

Deep Dish Fuckfest
Sep 6, 2006

Advanced
Computer Touching


Toilet Rascal
poorly?

abigserve
Sep 13, 2009

this is a better avatar than what I had before

if you can think of a better way to translate flashes of light into my quality posts I'd like to fuckin hear it mate

rjmccall
Sep 7, 2007

no worries friend
Fun Shoe
do not look at my posts with remaining good eye

Methanar
Sep 26, 2013

by the sex ghost

abigserve posted:

if you can think of a better way to translate flashes of light into my quality posts I'd like to fuckin hear it mate

what layer is arp

RFC2324
Jun 7, 2012

http 418

Methanar posted:

what layer is arp

42

Sniep
Mar 28, 2004

All I needed was that fatty blunt...



King of Breakfast

Methanar posted:

what layer is arp

i say 2 because its not routable.

(i know its one of those "trick questions" because the other answer is it handles an IP, but that's bullshit, because it has no concept of what an IP is, nor how it affords routing, it's just a messenger for it and it could just as well be any other data as far as it cares)

abigserve
Sep 13, 2009

this is a better avatar than what I had before

Methanar posted:

what layer is arp

more like farpt lmao

objectively, ARP is a layer 3 protocol tho as it sits directly on top of the data link layer.

Deep Dish Fuckfest
Sep 6, 2006

Advanced
Computer Touching


Toilet Rascal

abigserve posted:

if you can think of a better way to translate flashes of light into my quality posts I'd like to fuckin hear it mate

let's start with a working one, because i'm not seeing any of that over here

endlessmonotony
Nov 4, 2009

by Fritz the Horse

Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:

let's start with a working one, because i'm not seeing any of that over here

We've told you before, it's not magic, it's science.

Plorkyeran
Mar 22, 2007

To Escape The Shackles Of The Old Forums, We Must Reject The Tribal Negativity He Endorsed

abigserve posted:

Ay

Ay

Stop that young man

The first four layers of the OSI model still fundamentally represent the foundation of networking. It's like arguing gravity isn't relevant anymore because we have planes

Packets are still built and parsed the same way they were decades ago.

the osi model was never actually implemented, so parsing packets the same way as they were decades ago doesn't mean that how we do it now conforms to osi. ietf did not base their work on the osi model, and calling tcp/ip implementations of layers 4/3 is in fact an example of ignoring everything that osi says about the layers (which is quite a lot) beyond the name and brief description.

i know basically nothing about layers 1/2 so maybe those more strongly resemble what was actually implemented than the higher layers

ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

Methanar posted:

what layer is arp

I appreciate the effort troll, but arp is absolutely layer 2, however it is asking for layer3 information. If you want a better troll example ask about MPLS, but then you'd have to learn about MPLS, and once you go down that rabbit hole, you've owned yourself.

ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

Sniep posted:

i say 2 because its not routable.

(i know its one of those "trick questions" because the other answer is it handles an IP, but that's bullshit, because it has no concept of what an IP is, nor how it affords routing, it's just a messenger for it and it could just as well be any other data as far as it cares)

This is correct.

ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

abigserve posted:

more like farpt lmao

objectively, ARP is a layer 3 protocol tho as it sits directly on top of the data link layer.

This is wrong.

Kitfox88
Aug 21, 2007

Anybody lose their glasses?
what about aarp

Methanar
Sep 26, 2013

by the sex ghost

ate poo poo on live tv posted:

I appreciate the effort troll, but arp is absolutely layer 2, however it is asking for layer3 information. If you want a better troll example ask about MPLS, but then you'd have to learn about MPLS, and once you go down that rabbit hole, you've owned yourself.

all i know about mpls is that it doesn't use longest prefix matching, but instead is switching in the sense that every node has a complete topology mapping and the entire path is pre-determined up front and then the label attached to the packets does actual switching in the sense of hitting whatever switching asic to do a regular old exact match of the label, like in a mac table, instead of actually computing anything for all subsequent nodes passed along the way. uh something Dijkstra
something packet encapsulation. you can do a lot with it. sometimes people abuse it as a carrier-provided vpn which is maybe useful for spanning vlans across the wan or doing video game qos stuff.

its me im owned

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abigserve
Sep 13, 2009

this is a better avatar than what I had before
Y'all are wrong imho, if the thing requires me to read the ethernet type field then by definition it's no longer a layer 2 protocol

Drafting an email to the ietf

Edit; though actually that would also extend to spanning tree and there's no reasonable way I would delineate that as a layer 3 protocol so yeah I'll cop the L here

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