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mutata posted:Why would you jump to that particular conclusion? I realize you’ve been on this site for quite a while and I’m sure you know the answer to that question.
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Clarste posted:Doesn't Singapore subsidize game dev? It's probably a scam of some kind. They are reportedly contractually obligated by the government to deliver a game
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Reminds me of a story. I used to contract for this tiny US based mobile game company where one guy was a Singapore national and this meant they came up with the brilliant idea to move the whole company including me from the US to Singapore for 6 months or something so they could get money from the government there to develop a game. Naturally the company wasn't offering to pay any kind of accommodations or travel expenses. Didn't end up going through with it fortunately.
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Raven ain't the only QA team looking to unionisePCGamer posted:Days after Raven QA got the green light to go forward with their union vote, another QA unit working with a big developer has moved to unionize. This time, external contractors doing QA for Bioware have applied to the Alberta Labor Relations board to form a union. A representative of the group told Game Developer that its members could no longer bear "struggling to make ends meet" working on Bioware's games, and this sentiment was echoed in a similar report by Kotaku.
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Twitch is considering giving it's streamers a 20% paycut https://kotaku.com/twitch-amazon-partner-program-streamers-pay-advertiseme-1848850800 quote:One of the monetization changes under consideration is a revenue cut from subscriptions for partnered streamers, Twitch’s most popular streamers. The proposed cut would decrease the revenue partnered streamers make from subscriptions from 70% to 50%.
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https://twitter.com/Cheesemeister3k/status/1519667053283532801 This looks like it's going to be some interesting shitflinging, especially all that about being banned from responding or even 'liking' responses to the game. Let's see what Squenix does. He's spot on about Square-Enix-the-company, or at least the head of it, not giving a poo poo about players and fans.
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Fried Watermelon posted:Twitch is considering giving it's streamers a 20% paycut Worse than that; wouldn't going from 70 to 50% be a nearly 30% cut?
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taichara posted:https://twitter.com/Cheesemeister3k/status/1519667053283532801 The comments bring up some points like that Yuji Naka was basically ousted via mutiny, and apparently was known to be an rear end in a top hat back in the Sonic days. It sounds like Squeenix acted real weird about the game, though. Kind of a trend with them. Wouldn't be surprised if it was the old story about feature creep and developer over-ambition conflicting with the publisher wanting a goddamn game to release.
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Is that the guy who came up with the One Button Only, No Plot/Words In Game , and Exactly 80 Costumes things?
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https://twitter.com/MaxKriegerVG/status/1473358197675245571 letthemfight.gif
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Naka stories that might bear revisiting in the wake of this debacle: Propequote:Prope Ltd. is a Japanese video game development studio founded by Yuji Naka, which now consists solely of himself. Why does it now consist solely of himself? Well, there was this infamous debacle, Rodea the Sky Soldier, a game Prope was developing for the Wii that didn't release until a WiiU version by an entirely different team hit shelves, wherein the Wii version was added to first printings as a bonus disc. Somewhere during this tale of "I dunno, weird", every employee not named Yuji Naka found themselves without a job "since April 2017", and I believe that's the most we ever got on the record about this.
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Fried Watermelon posted:Twitch is considering giving it's streamers a 20% paycut The 50% cut is already the default for Twitch streamers. The only ones that get 70% of revenue are the really big ones with tons of viewers and subscribers, Twitch lets them renegotiate their contracts for a better cut if it likes them a lot and wants them to stick around. Most Twitch streamers are already only getting a 50/50 cut.
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Scholtz posted:Worse than that; wouldn't going from 70 to 50% be a nearly 30% cut?
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I have no problem reconciling that a director is a complete rear end in a top hat with Square Enix leadership making baffling choices to release unfinished games and muting feedback.
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Scholtz posted:Worse than that; wouldn't going from 70 to 50% be a nearly 30% cut? Worse than I thought! I wonder if this will cause any big streamers to go elsewhere, if there is even somewhere else to go
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Vizuyos posted:The 50% cut is already the default for Twitch streamers. The only ones that get 70% of revenue are the really big ones with tons of viewers and subscribers, Twitch lets them renegotiate their contracts for a better cut if it likes them a lot and wants them to stick around. Most Twitch streamers are already only getting a 50/50 cut. I'll note that it's not just huge streamers. I def know some smaller streamers with the 70%, but that might be more legacy.
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Fried Watermelon posted:Worse than I thought!
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Disargeria posted:Is that the guy who came up with the One Button Only, No Plot/Words In Game , and Exactly 80 Costumes things? yeah, Naka may or may not have some legitimate grievances but "unfinished" doesn't really wash as an explanation for the game's quality, given that some of the most unpopular design decisions seem like things that would have had to be in place pretty early in the game's development secretly best girl posted:Naka stories that might bear revisiting in the wake of this debacle: Prope I had thought that Rodea Wii was shelved for years because it was produced at the very end of Wii's life span and the publisher didn't see it as profitable, but I wouldn't be surprised if Naka being difficult had something to do with it Barry Convex fucked around with this message at 19:34 on Apr 28, 2022 |
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Fried Watermelon posted:Worse than I thought! The only real place to go is Youtube, and it has basically no monitization for streamers other then Superchats. And also lacks things like dedicated streamer advertisement, Raids, custom emotes, and other minor fun things like polls. Like if all you care about is streaming cause you get your money off patreon, or streaming art comissions and using the stream as advertisement, or streaming raw footage until you edit it into an actual video it's fine, but if you're looking to stream for money twitch was, and still is, the best bet.
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Perhaps streamers will finally realise that they're not part of a wider, caring Twitch community, let alone partners, a word typically reserved for the owners of law firms. They're patsies and the only relevant factor is whether Twitch thinks they'll earn more from skimming their income than they will spend to add them to the payment infrastructure.
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As things stand it’s a pretty thankless job with brutally long hours. Some unions in the EU are looking more closely at streaming though and governments are making noises about child labor and rights (a surprising number of under 18s’ earnings go to their parents) for both twitch and YouTube. But the gig economy is always going to be rough on the small fry.
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Fried Watermelon posted:Worse than I thought! Twitch's standard 50/50 cut is already the worst revenue split across major streaming platforms. Youtube takes 30% of memberships, and Facebook Live takes 30% from subscriptions bought on mobile and 0% from subscriptions bought on desktop. Even for big streamers, though, it can be tough to get the audience to move sites.
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Tough is an understatement. In a lot of cases I believe it's been as much as 90-95% viewership losses from changing platforms. Youtube seems somewhat more forgiving to move to because at least its userbase is large, but even then people still usually lose almost their entire community
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Apr 29, 2022 07:28
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Can’t you stream to both at the same time?
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MarcusSA posted:Can’t you stream to both at the same time? Wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest if the big-time streamers have ironclad exclusivity contracts… and it’d be dead simple to prove that you broke it by multi-streaming.
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Regalingualius posted:Wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest if the big-time streamers have ironclad exclusivity contracts… and it’d be dead simple to prove that you broke it by multi-streaming. At least at the partner level Twitch absolutely has exclusivity built into the contracts they make you agree to. I distinctly remember several years ago when Vinesauce mentioned he had someone at Twitch remind him of this clause.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Tough is an understatement. In a lot of cases I believe it's been as much as 90-95% viewership losses from changing platforms. Youtube seems somewhat more forgiving to move to because at least its userbase is large, but even then people still usually lose almost their entire community Twitch is known as "the streaming service". Most people don't know (or don't care) that Youtube even has the capacity to host streams, so streaming somewhere that isn't Twitch is going to have horrible ramifications on an established viewer base.
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MarcusSA posted:Can’t you stream to both at the same time? No, there are exclusivity contracts and at least twitch very much does enforces them. Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 08:37 on Apr 29, 2022 |
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Tough is an understatement. In a lot of cases I believe it's been as much as 90-95% viewership losses from changing platforms. Youtube seems somewhat more forgiving to move to because at least its userbase is large, but even then people still usually lose almost their entire community Most successful streamers will have a presence on both Twitch and Youtube: Twitch for longer form live content and YT for archived stream VODs/edited highlights or pre-recorded content. Youtube videos is generally the better way for content creators to attract new people since the videos are always accessible and are edited to have the most interesting bits of a stream. Ardryn posted:At least at the partner level Twitch absolutely has exclusivity built into the contracts they make you agree to. I distinctly remember several years ago when Vinesauce mentioned he had someone at Twitch remind him of this clause.
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A lot of streamers double-dip by putting edited clips on youtube. There's also quite a few children-focused streamers who got their start on youtube and added streaming on twitch as their audience aged/broadened. Edit: yeah, like Incendiac said
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Can they both cut your profit-sharing and keep you locked into exclusivity? That seems it would require you to resign the agreement since that's a very big change. Maybe they aren't too worried about it since where else are you going to go and still make a living?
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IncendiaC posted:Most successful streamers will have a presence on both Twitch and Youtube: Twitch for longer form live content and YT for archived stream VODs/edited highlights or pre-recorded content. Youtube videos is generally the better way for content creators to attract new people since the videos are always accessible and are edited to have the most interesting bits of a stream. The exclusivity is for streaming, not for literally everything yeah.
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TOOT BOOT posted:Can they both cut your profit-sharing and keep you locked into exclusivity? That seems it would require you to resign the agreement since that's a very big change. Maybe they aren't too worried about it since where else are you going to go and still make a living? My assumption would be people are free to switch to another streaming platform at any time, it's just if they do and get caught their Twitch accounts will get banned. That's based off my experience from streaming of a more, uh, adult nature but I imagine the legalities are the same
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Kith posted:Twitch is known as "the streaming service". Most people don't know (or don't care) that Youtube even has the capacity to host streams, so streaming somewhere that isn't Twitch is going to have horrible ramifications on an established viewer base. This was true at one point, but by this point it isn't true at all. Youtube streaming has been growing enormously in the last couple of years and several of the most watched streamers in the world in terms of hours are youtube exclusive. Mostly it's just viewerbase comfort. If you establish yourself on one platform, you build an audience from a pool that is comfortable with using that platform, and getting them to follow you to other platforms is going to lose you tons of eyeballs who can't be bothered to use something different. We've seen this kind of thing happen all the way back to TV shows, when even very successful shows that suddenly changed networks or time slots would have their ratings tank. People are creatures of habit.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:No, there are exclusivity contracts and at least twitch very much does enforces them. That might be changing under this new deal actually.
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MarcusSA posted:Can’t you stream to both at the same time? You can, I'm currently watching a PUBG competition where its both on YT and Twitch at the same time. It maybe different for corps rather than solo streamers.
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Fruits of the sea posted:I have no problem reconciling that a director is a complete rear end in a top hat with Square Enix leadership making baffling choices to release unfinished games and muting feedback. Baffling choices all around is the watchword with Balan Wonderworld. Starting to explain a lot about the history of 3D Sonic games. The story I'm getting a feel for is that Squeenix put a lot of trust in him apparently being the only one who knows how to make platformers or something, and he rapidly pissed it all away, because they don't put up with his poo poo like Sega has for so long.
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Trusting the guy who made Sonic 2006 sounds like a bad call
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happyhippy posted:You can, I'm currently watching a PUBG competition where its both on YT and Twitch at the same time. It also depends on your outgoing bandwidth, connection stability and if you're willing to pay buttheads like Streamlabs to handle the multistream for you. And then there's chat complications if you interact with chat, etc. Rarity posted:Trusting the guy who made Sonic 2006 sounds like a bad call Eh, he's pretty 50/50
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