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CelticPredator posted:Depends how this is done, and what the tone is. He was never punished iirc so You don’t gotta hand it to him?
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CelticPredator posted:I feel like it’s too early to tell for most, but I guess you could say James Gunn because he got screwed over. But he was “cancelled”. And he basically apologized and left social media until he got some jobs again. The Gunn tweets were terrible but I think that was more a case of him just being a dipshit edgelord at the time he wrote them which was a decade before they got dredged up again. Let's not forget that he got his start at Troma. And of course there was that scene I mentioned in Super. It should also be pointed out that the guy who dug that poo poo up is a known sexual assailant who actually wrote a manual about how to rape someone. Just another MAGA chud trying to own the libs. And Gunn is different in that he didn't get accused of actually assault or harassing anyone he just said a bunch of really stupid poo poo a long time ago on Twitter. So his being cancelled was a soft one and plenty of people immediately came to his defense (granted that hardly means anything because plenty of people in entertainment still defend Roman Polanski because he did movies good). I'm sure if you took just about any one of us you'd find something really lovely and stupid in their post history ten or more years ago. DeimosRising posted:Close friend of barely less than open pedophile Jimmy Urine and threw pedophilia themed parties with him as a “joke” Okay that's news to me.  edit: That's a lot worse than being a moron on twitter.
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May 15, 2022 00:36
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Robert Downey Jr? He was down and out because of his substance abuse issues but to my knowledge seems to have grown up a bunch. He had a substance abuse problem which is different from literally punching down on people
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May 15, 2022 00:36
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The question was if anyone who got canceled came back. The only one I can think of is Gunn who got fired from his job. Regardless who did what, he still got fired that day. Hired back everything worked out. There’s not many that have because most of the people who get cancelled are due to assault and abuse.
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May 15, 2022 00:43
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CelticPredator posted:The question was if anyone who got canceled came back. The only one I can think of is Gunn who got fired from his job. Regardless who did what, he still got fired that day. I guess it comes down to what exactly is being cancelled and what is a comeback. Because Louis CK certainly counts as well any other cancelled comedian I can think of. If you're a white cishet man in the entertainment business you can't fall too far and it's not long before you dust yourself off and get back up. I guess the difference when it comes to Gunn is that his "comeback" was much faster and easier than anyone else. He lost nothing and ended up right back to where he already was. That was more of a hiccup than anything.
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May 15, 2022 00:47
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Mel Gibson keeps coming back and it’s a weird mix of self funding and people just putting him in things hoping nobody remembers
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May 15, 2022 00:49
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May 15, 2022 00:49
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I think the better question would be if anyone who was 'cancelled' actually went away and stayed a pariah? Well at least in recent years. I mean sure Michael Richards pretty much disappeared after his meltdown. But it's not like any so called 'cancellings', that didn't involve criminal proceedings, have actually been long term. Which is why Hirsch's movie using a bunch of dog whistles like 'cancel culture' and 'woke upcoming comedians' doesn't fill me with belief it's a well thought out movie.
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May 15, 2022 01:18
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It could be bad. The way it could work is if the story less about the teacher teaching the kids but the kids teaching the teacher. Any other way it leans a bit rough.
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May 15, 2022 01:41
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I’ll never forget the dude arrested for jerking off on a plane the day after CK won a Grammy. It’s so stupid the seemingly useless pain in the rear end to keep track of what celebrities have done lovely things. But if we don’t make them pay then people think the same lack of rules apply to them. It’s Also so loving annoying that relatively OK people pay the highest price. Gunn and Franken FIRED, Trump (hell Clinton) president. Biden still No Idea as manufacturing outrage is so much easier than anything else. I still believe that Gunn is probably the least terrible major Hollywood Director as a person, after Raimi. And that Al Franken is probably still the least terrible major politician.
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May 15, 2022 03:01
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Al Franken was photographed sexually assaulting an unconscious woman.
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May 15, 2022 03:25
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Remulak posted:I still believe that Gunn is probably the least terrible major Hollywood Director as a person, after Raimi. And that Al Franken is probably still the least terrible major politician. Campaigning on being “slightly less lovely than the alternative” is why the democrats loving suck. Franken deserved to go. As for Gunn being the least terrible major Hollywood person, that just seems like something you decided based on no particular evidence. Is Gunn less terrible than, say, David Fincher? Well, I don’t remember anything ever coming out about Fincher and he didn’t go through a public “pedophilia and rape are funny phase” in his 40s so I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and say he’s less terrible than Gunn.
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May 15, 2022 03:28
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Remulak posted:I still believe that Gunn is probably the least terrible major Hollywood Director as a person, after Raimi. And that Al Franken is probably still the least terrible major politician. Is this based on anything at all? I'm not really sure what 'major' means, but there are a lot of directors out there. With Marvel alone, are directors like Chloe Zhao or Peyton Reed more problematic? Are Greta Gerwig or Jordan Peele terrible? They're pretty major Hollywood directors now. Franken too, like he doesn't seem like a complete monster but he still did inappropriate stuff and I can think of plenty of politicians who didn't. Are we just talking about white men? They seem like the least bad type of the various 'cancelled' people but it's still weird to cut them slack when there are lots of people who go through their whole careers without starting poo poo.
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May 15, 2022 14:38
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thrawn527 posted:He’s a very interesting answer. Because unlike most “canceled” celebs, he actually served time. He was punished. You can have opinions on if it was enough, but society actually got their pound of flesh, and he took that punishment. They never happens. It’s why I think he’s kind of been let back in. Even if what he originally did is still horrifying. He's also turned around personality wise, got properly medicated for his issues (Manic Depressive, I think) and got a lot healthier. It also became clear what an incredibly broken and damaged person he is, and how much of his fighter persona was a product of things that the people around him, who profited from his excesses, were allowing to go untreated. It helps that he's not famous for the same thing as before. He's now famous as 'weirdly zen former crazy man boxer.' he just smokes heaps of weed and does a podcast, occasional bit of acting or voicework.
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Ror posted:Is this based on anything at all?
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Like Zack Snyder, people have said they liked working with Gunn. Maybe someone didn’t but idk no one said he yelled at anyone or tried to drown his actors like king of the world James Cameron
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Snowman_McK posted:He's also turned around personality wise, got properly medicated for his issues (Manic Depressive, I think) and got a lot healthier. It also became clear what an incredibly broken and damaged person he is, and how much of his fighter persona was a product of things that the people around him, who profited from his excesses, were allowing to go untreated. I waffled on Tyson for a bit, but you know what? He went to prison for his crime, worked on improving himself, successfully reintegrated into society after getting out, and hasn’t reoffended. IMO that’s the ideal outcome of the system, so I’m cool with him getting back into society like he has.
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May 16, 2022 03:34
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Didn't Tyson just beat the poo poo out of a guy on a plane a couple of weeks ago? Not sexual assault and the guy was being annoying.... but uhhh, still bad.
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May 16, 2022 13:50
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Bugblatter posted:Didn't Tyson just beat the poo poo out of a guy on a plane a couple of weeks ago? The guy was apparently drunk and rowdy, and Tyson had asked him to stop bothering him already before the dude threw a bottle at him. In an ideal world he wouldn’t have punched him but at the same time you can see how a lot of people might have had the same reaction to some belligerent drunk dickhead throwing things and talking poo poo.
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May 16, 2022 14:02
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Anyone else would have knocked this guy out sooner - this guy kept pushing MIKE loving TYSON. He's lucky he's not dead. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3C4pWwDqps
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May 16, 2022 14:16
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From all appearances it looks like a drunk rear end in a top hat was trying to score internet points by harassing Tyson on the flight and throwing poo poo at him, and they got punched in the face for their behavior. I've got no trouble chalking that one up under "play stupid games, win stupid prizes."
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May 16, 2022 14:46
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Vintersorg posted:Anyone else would have knocked this guy out sooner - this guy kept pushing MIKE loving TYSON. He's lucky he's not dead. Jesus, I woulda punched him too. And that's with his friend framing the situation.
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May 16, 2022 15:15
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Vintersorg posted:Anyone else would have knocked this guy out sooner - this guy kept pushing MIKE loving TYSON. He's lucky he's not dead. Reminds me of stories of yore (the 80s) of drunk assholes in bars constantly trying to start poo poo with professional wrestlers. I guess some of that is due to "lol wrestling's fake, these people can't even fight irl" but you still need to be a special kind of idiot drunk to see a man twice your weight, who is famous for dazzling feats of athleticism, and go "yep, Imma punch him real good!"
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Yeah I feel like the right word for what wrestling is is “scripted” rather than “fake” because they’re very much still doing every jump, flip, dive, etc and have to be built like a Greek god
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Khizan posted:I waffled on Tyson for a bit, but you know what? He went to prison for his crime, worked on improving himself, successfully reintegrated into society after getting out, and hasn’t reoffended. IMO that’s the ideal outcome of the system, so I’m cool with him getting back into society like he has. Only recent fault I can find with Tyson recently was backing a line of edibles shaped like ears.
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Grendels Dad posted:Reminds me of stories of yore (the 80s) of drunk assholes in bars constantly trying to start poo poo with professional wrestlers. I guess some of that is due to "lol wrestling's fake, these people can't even fight irl" but you still need to be a special kind of idiot drunk to see a man twice your weight, who is famous for dazzling feats of athleticism, and go "yep, Imma punch him real good!" I’ve heard that recently with Daniel Craig complaining that any time he goes into a bar he has to deal with drunk assholes who want to fight James Bond. I’m shocked there aren’t more stories of famously tough guys getting forced into fights in public.
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Coffee And Pie posted:I’ve heard that recently with Daniel Craig complaining that any time he goes into a bar he has to deal with drunk assholes who want to fight James Bond. I’m shocked there aren’t more stories of famously tough guys getting forced into fights in public.
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kliras posted:bruce lee dealt with some crazy stuff Yeah I saw a documentary where he got into a big fight with this stuntman who may have killed his own wife
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Vintersorg posted:Anyone else would have knocked this guy out sooner - this guy kept pushing MIKE loving TYSON. He's lucky he's not dead. I'm going to make one gigantic leap of assumption based on something my comedian friend told me: a lot of young kids in audiences these days heckle comedians with the goal of having the comedian make fun of them, with the comedian mocking them personally being the peak comedy experience if you grew up watching endless heckler videos on youtube apparently. Having watched that vid I'd say that that guy's entire goal was to goad Tyson into beating him up so he could have an "I got beat up by Mike Tyson story". Tyson still shouldn't have done it, but I don't exactly blame him either. PittTheElder fucked around with this message at 20:28 on May 16, 2022 |
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CPL593H posted:I guess it comes down to what exactly is being cancelled and what is a comeback. Because Louis CK certainly counts as well any other cancelled comedian I can think of. If you're a white cishet man in the entertainment business you can't fall too far and it's not long before you dust yourself off and get back up. I'd argue as to the extent of CK's comeback, though that's obviously still ongoing so maybe things will change. He was producing multiple tv shows, was getting paid upfront for comedy specials that appeared on TV and streaming services, and was heavily connected with other comedians and producers, which he parlayed into frequent appearances on late night shows, SNL hosting gigs, and the occasional movie role. Since 2018, he's appeared at comedy clubs and self-published a couple of stand up specials. That's falling pretty far.
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Baronash posted:I'd argue as to the extent of CK's comeback, though that's obviously still ongoing so maybe things will change. He was producing multiple tv shows, was getting paid upfront for comedy specials that appeared on TV and streaming services, and was heavily connected with other comedians and producers, which he parlayed into frequent appearances on late night shows, SNL hosting gigs, and the occasional movie role. Since 2018, he's appeared at comedy clubs and self-published a couple of stand up specials. That's falling pretty far. He just won a Grammy
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Baronash posted:I'd argue as to the extent of CK's comeback, though that's obviously still ongoing so maybe things will change. He was producing multiple tv shows, was getting paid upfront for comedy specials that appeared on TV and streaming services, and was heavily connected with other comedians and producers, which he parlayed into frequent appearances on late night shows, SNL hosting gigs, and the occasional movie role. Since 2018, he's appeared at comedy clubs and self-published a couple of stand up specials. That's falling pretty far. He still plays theaters and he was self publishing his specials before he got me tooed. I know someone who had tickets to see him at an arena and the only reason that show didn't happen was because of the pandemic. The only major change there is that he doesn't produce tv shows anymore. And they just gave him a Grammy.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:He just won a Grammy And that is insane. But it's still a far cry from where he was. And is more a sign of where the industry wants him to be, not where he actually is. He's still doing better than he should, don't get me wrong. But he's no where near the heights he was before the truth came out.
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Grendels Dad posted:Reminds me of stories of yore (the 80s) of drunk assholes in bars constantly trying to start poo poo with professional wrestlers. I guess some of that is due to "lol wrestling's fake, these people can't even fight irl" but you still need to be a special kind of idiot drunk to see a man twice your weight, who is famous for dazzling feats of athleticism, and go "yep, Imma punch him real good!" Just a fun fact since this is a pretty dark thread a lot of the time, UFC fighter and extremely nice guy Krystof Sosjinski, who's done MMA and pro wrestling, got asked which was harder and answered 'pro wrestling' without a moment's hesitation.
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Pro wrestling is the hardest parts of major athletics combined with acting and performing arts. It seems like it's massive work for an extremely minor reward so the people who get in being some of the worst, power tripping assholes imaginable makes sense because otherwise why do it.
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Coffee And Pie posted:Yeah I saw a documentary where he got into a big fight with this stuntman who may have killed his own wife Yeah but they got interrupted so I guess we will never know who was tougher. Also, Bruce Lee was never accused of any abusive assholery was he?
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thrawn527 posted:And that is insane. But it's still a far cry from where he was. And is more a sign of where the industry wants him to be, not where he actually is. He had a tour of theaters and arenas and the only thing that stopped it was the pandemic. He fell all the way from wildly successful to very successful. I'd even go so far as to say that if he didn't outright admit that all the allegations against him were true he'd still be yukkin' it up on late night talk shows.
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