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Hand Knit posted:Ah, err, uhh… ? I’m commenting on the fact that some of the commentary I’ve seen on twitter is that Donaldson was justified in saying what he said. He screwed up and needs to actually apologize for being a racist rear end in a top hat
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Carlosologist posted:Yeah, Donaldson hosed up big time here. No editorializing or anything, call a spade a loving spade The spade a spade phrase has apparently racist origins as well
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:The spade a spade phrase has apparently racist origins as well Not likely, no.
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:The spade a spade phrase has apparently racist origins as well The idiom originates in the classical Greek of Plutarch's Apophthegmata Laconica, and was introduced into the English language in 1542 in Nicolas Udall's translation of the Apophthegmes, where Erasmus had seemingly replaced Plutarch's images of "trough" and "fig" with the more familiar "spade". It has appeared in many literary and popular works, including those of Oscar Wilde, Charles Dickens, Ralph Waldo Emerson, W. Somerset Maugham, and Jonathan Swift.
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May 22, 2022 00:59
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camoseven posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fN16vqScM-g One of my favorite things about this fight is that there are Ventura truthers who think he won
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"Calling a spade a spade" started off totally innocuous but has acquired unfortunate implications over time: https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2013/09/19/224183763/is-it-racist-to-call-a-spade-a-spade Not really outright racist but a bit too close for comfort for a lot of people.
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May 22, 2022 01:32
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Dumbest loving poster in SAS continues streak, color me shocked.
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May 22, 2022 01:38
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camoseven posted:Oscar Wilde, Charles Dickens, Ralph Waldo Emerson, W. Somerset Maugham, and Jonathan Swift. all white guys!!!
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Liberatore was solid tonight. Not what most of us probably hoped for near the time they pulled him but I’m happy with his outing.
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May 22, 2022 01:53
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I for one hope Donaldson gets beaten with a spade during tomorrow’s game
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May 22, 2022 02:16
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lol did Anderson really say he's a latter day Jackie Robinson does he actually know who Jackie Robinson was
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May 22, 2022 02:18
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Folks, he's good https://twitter.com/TalkinBaseball_/status/1528183860504272896
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bewbies posted:lol did Anderson really say he's a latter day Jackie Robinson Tim Anderson always seemed to me like a bit of a dbag. Comparing yourself to Jackie Robinson is dumb and I also remember an interview with him where he was going on and on about how he hates baseball and how boring it is.
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May 22, 2022 03:20
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N: the red sox did good today V: i was at the game and it was a very nice afternoon at fenway
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Nice! barnold posted:N: the red sox did good today  I really gotta get to a game soon. Been a while since I’ve headed to Jackie Robinson ballpark. Last time I was there it was still the Daytona Cubs.
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Donaldson is really embracing the Evil Empire schtick. Fuckin a. Like no matter how astoundingly stupid Anderson was, just *come on* dude. To think I used to like that guy and was sad when he got traded.
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SilvergunSuperman posted:Arms skinnier than my grandma's is a look alright
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rickiep00h posted:Donaldson is really embracing the Evil Empire schtick. Fuckin a. Like no matter how astoundingly stupid Anderson was, just *come on* dude. It's extremely fitting that he's on the Yankees.
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Crazy Ted posted:It really is fascinating how back in the day it was considered common wisdom in pretty much all professional sports that all strength training could possibly do was damage your fundamental/technical ability. It's also entirely possible they were right. It's not like sports science was a thing. There's a decent chance someone would tell them to do 100 reps or lift the heaviest thing with the worst form imaginable.
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Probably the most difficult thing and why it wasn't so popular is lifting in season. You're playing 162 games, basically every day. You're already putting your body through a ton of stress and constant injury, finding the energy and more importantly the time to recover is difficult, I honestly don't know how pro players manage it. I suspect it's mostly a maintenance program in season and then the off season is when you really push for gains.
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Is the RF secretly Rutschman's BFF or something
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Popete posted:Probably the most difficult thing and why it wasn't so popular is lifting in season. You're playing 162 games, basically every day. You're already putting your body through a ton of stress and constant injury, finding the energy and more importantly the time to recover is difficult, I honestly don't know how pro players manage it. I suspect it's mostly a maintenance program in season and then the off season is when you really push for gains. And that's to my understanding how most leagues work now. Baseball is probably the toughest with the schedule and shortest off-season, too. Football has built in lifting schedules to optimize around recovering for game time but it's just maintenance.
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I do not look forward to the group of dumbass yankees fans that are going to inevitably chant “jackie” at tim anderson today this whole situation is gross and josh donaldson should apologize, which he well never do, because he’s josh donaldson
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May 22, 2022 15:30
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Donaldson already apologized lol.
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Patrick Spens posted:Donaldson already apologized lol. I mean actually own up to it, not “lol sorry you were offended”
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Patrick Spens posted:Donaldson already apologized lol. Donaldson literally said on a podcast that he wants the opposing team to hate him. He has like a Brad Marchand mentality and was clearly being a wise rear end. I watched the video and he did apologize though. He was trying to get under Anderson's skin, not be racist.
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mcmagic posted:He was trying to get under Anderson's skin, not be racist. Lol come on man, intent doesn't mean poo poo.
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I think regardless of intention calling a black dude a different black dude as a joke is kinda racist
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TwoHeadedDeer posted:I think regardless of intention calling a black dude a different black dude as a joke is kinda racist It's not simple as that because Anderson does deserve to be made fun of for comparing himself to Jackie Robinson.
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TwoHeadedDeer posted:I think regardless of intention calling a black dude a different black dude as a joke is kinda racist it actually is not at all in this case if you don't want to be made fun of probably don't unironically compare yourself to the most important person to ever play a team sport
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MJBuddy posted:It's also entirely possible they were right. It's not like sports science was a thing. There's a decent chance someone would tell them to do 100 reps or lift the heaviest thing with the worst form imaginable. The WWE training facility is famous for getting people to do the stupidest strength training possible and exploding knees faster than the screwball blows up your UCL. Inspector_666 posted:I delight in how Brett Phillips has a part in everything these days. He nailed a guy at the plate from right field the other day and the announcers were just like “bullshit he has a 50MPH fastball, I want to see him uncork one” and I agree.
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Gorman Thomas posted:Lol come on man, intent doesn't mean poo poo. Intent matters a lot actually. Donaldson calling Anderson "Jackie" because they are both black ballplayers = hosed up and racist. Donaldson calling Anderson "Jackie" because Tim Anderson called himself the next Jackie Robinson = fine actually.
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A thing can be racist without intending to be. It would have been fine to just... not say anything to him.
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I think the article where the Jackie Robinson quote comes from is worth a read: https://www.si.com/mlb/2019/04/30/tim-anderson-white-sox-speaks-out basically it's in the context of baseball's respectability politics being drawn along racial lines, and how few black baseball players there are in the game after all this time. perhaps a clumsy way of grappling with Robinson's legacy, but Josh Donaldson is pretty much the last person in the world who should mouth off about it
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Patrick Spens posted:Intent matters a lot actually. Tim Anderson's Jackie comment wasn't a comparison of skill. It was comment on how even 70 years after integration he, as a black athlete, feels like an outsider in major league culture. Really surprised that this thread is being so blasé about Donaldson's comment.
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I am shocked that people didn't read the article before doubling down!
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It's OK, he was being a racist to get under his skin so it's cool.
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