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Lid posted:The original TV IV Wire thread Lmao pro click. I love a old fashioned deep dive.
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Lid posted:The original TV IV Wire thread Been reading that thread, just finally got caught up
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Lid posted:The original TV IV Wire thread Am I not seeing any other posts? I just see me and V-Men.
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theblackw0lf posted:Am I not seeing any other posts? I just see me and V-Men. You know, with obscure indie shows like this, the threads often don't get a lot of traffic (i see the same thing)
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I'm starting We Own This City and I kind of love it so far, after one episode. I hope it sticks the landing. So far I've seen: Detective Santangelo, Jay Landsman, O-Dog, Marlo, Eileen Nathan, the cop from season 5 who was a dick (Bobby Brown?), and that's only through one and a third episode. Be cool to see how many show up. escape artist fucked around with this message at 23:22 on May 25, 2022 |
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May 25, 2022 23:08
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Lid posted:The original TV IV Wire thread This thread is loving incredible 
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escape artist posted:I'm starting We Own This City and I kind of love it so far, after one episode. I hope it sticks the landing. Lots. Especially in E03. I just finished E04 myself and am finding it's getting better as it goes.
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Lid posted:The original TV IV Wire thread Dang, I thought I had archives access but I guess I don't
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Jerusalem posted:This thread is loving incredible An 18-year old thread filled entirely with active posters, who said this forum is dead?
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ruddiger posted:Dang, I thought I had archives access but I guess I don't It's two posts: V-Men posted:An HBO original series about a Baltimore City Police Department detail utilizing wiretaps, DNRs, and general police work to dismantle the largest of Baltimore's criminal underground organizations. theblackw0lf posted:They are
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pokeyman posted:It's two posts: thank you, it was getting to the point where i genuinely wasn't sure if people were doing a bit or not and i was too afraid to ask
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GoutPatrol posted:An 18-year old thread filled entirely with active posters, who said this forum is dead? We got walked into the vacants but we managed to walk back out 
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200% longer the second TV IV thread https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=1198045
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Isn't that just 100% larger? 200% larger would be quadruple, right?
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christmas boots posted:Isn't that just 100% larger? 200% larger would be quadruple, right? this is why mathematics should be based entirely on The Count
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I started my 3rd Wire watch motivated by "We Own", this time with my gf. It's amazing how the Kima hitting Bodie scene works every time. I'm on S02E05, after my first watch season 2 was my favourite, I simply loved the docks' crew, specially Frank. I don't really remember my second watch that much. We'll see if it holds. But to my Frank is one of the most tragic characters of the show, that scene where he is walking towards the greek... I don't remember that much about the show, except that the first time i watched it I didn't understand almost anything. Reading Homicide a couple weeks ago has really helped me understand the show a lot better. BUT it's a bit odd how the show plays with the hierearchies, to try and keep it a bit simpler. For instance the Homicide lieutenant is nonexistant, as is the CID Major, until Rawls gets the position in season 2, and then it's the Homicide leader that disappears (so far).
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Mr. Nemo posted:But to my Frank is one of the most tragic characters of the show, that scene where he is walking towards the greek... The first time I watched Season 2 I hosed up and skipped an episode--specifically this one. Imagine my surprise to how the following episode started!
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I wasn’t a huge fan of Season 2 when I first saw it way back when, but I rewatched a few years ago and I felt like the docks gave me a much more nuanced insight into the mind of certain MAGA folks. Like, obviously all of the Sobotka’s would’ve voted for Trump.
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Jewmanji posted:I wasn’t a huge fan of Season 2 when I first saw it way back when, but I rewatched a few years ago and I felt like the docks gave me a much more nuanced insight into the mind of certain MAGA folks. Like, obviously all of the Sobotka’s would’ve voted for Trump. Nick's Dad wouldn't have.
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Jewmanji posted:I wasn’t a huge fan of Season 2 when I first saw it way back when, but I rewatched a few years ago and I felt like the docks gave me a much more nuanced insight into the mind of certain MAGA folks. Like, obviously all of the Sobotka’s would’ve voted for Trump. This is a common opinion. People shat on S2, especially at the time, largely because if the dramatic shift and total focus on new characters. Viewers wanted more cops and corner boys and found the new focus jarring, myself included. But from an "all the pieces matter" perspective, it's loving great. Just takes a while to sink in and come together. Reminds me of Full Metal Jacket in that way where it becomes a totally different movie in the second act but still kicks rear end.
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Jewmanji posted:I wasn’t a huge fan of Season 2 when I first saw it way back when, but I rewatched a few years ago and I felt like the docks gave me a much more nuanced insight into the mind of certain MAGA folks. Like, obviously all of the Sobotka’s would’ve voted for Trump. There's no way in hell that Ziggy votes
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Trump, famous for being super into unions.
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But still considered a better working class champion than Hillary and the 2016 dems. Frank absolutely would have voted for America First policies. The entire second season is him making bad choices in the hope that promises of work and money from the more powerful aren't lies.
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Mr. Nemo posted:I'm on S02E05, after my first watch season 2 was my favourite Season two ended up being my favorite as well. And it's funny, because I had watched S1 as it aired, and the first few episodes of S2 I remember thinking about the dockworker story, "This is extremely well-written and well-acted, but what does this have to do with what we saw in season one?! It's like a whole different show!" And then of course as season two goes on, we learn exactly what the dockworker story has to do with the overarching story, and it's brilliant.
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Stare-Out posted:Trump, famous for being super into unions. Ah yes, every union member in this country definitely voted for Hillary, lol. Elias_Maluco posted:Also, I remember Ziggy and his cousin being pretty racist Very much this.
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Yeah but Frank was all about unions above just about all else so he would've, very reluctantly gone with Hillary. Nicky, sure, he would've voted for Trump maybe depending on how his relationship with Frank was at the time, and Ziggy wouldn't have voted obviously.
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christmas boots posted:There's no way in hell that Ziggy votes Well not anymore, at least BiggerBoat posted:This is a common opinion. People shat on S2, especially at the time, largely because if the dramatic shift and total focus on new characters. Viewers wanted more cops and corner boys and found the new focus jarring, myself included. But from an "all the pieces matter" perspective, it's loving great. When Michael K. Williams died, David Simon wrote a touching tribute that also addressed this, as Williams himself raised concerns about the shift in focus on season 2, and I think Simon's response sums up the show, and season 2's place in it, really well. I can't loving read it anymore because I'm out of free NYT articles but fortunately I already quoted it early in the thread so i"m just gonna do it again https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/12/opinion/michael-k-williams-david-simon-the-wire.html?referringSource=articleShare quote:
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Stare-Out posted:Yeah but Frank was all about unions above just about all else so he would've, very reluctantly gone with Hillary. Nicky, sure, he would've voted for Trump maybe depending on how his relationship with Frank was at the time, and Ziggy wouldn't have voted obviously. No way, Frank is the stereotypical Trump voter. White guy with minimal education (probably) who sees his economic future crumbling from under him while others (like that lobbyist he pays) get rich. Remember that exchange with the lobbyist? "In America we used to make things. Now we just reach into the other guy's pocket." Whatever policies Hillary was running on Frank would have ignored because Trump promised to turn the country around to a direction Frank fervently believed in.
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I'm no fancy big-city leftist but it sure seems to me like blue-collar unions are mostly made up of people whose insular and parochial views arise from the social dynamics at play in their workplaces and neighborhoods where they are highly likely to develop strong racial animus and are at high risk of being nationalistic and tribal, and see the union as a means to support and defend their specific in-group against encroachment by the others, even if the union's actual goals are more egalitarian Rather than being full of high-minded revolutionaries seeking to tear down the class structure that keeps them working on the docks in the first place
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"They used to make steel there, no?" - The Entire Rust Belt
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It's one of the big lessons from Season 2 I think, the idea that these industries that were VITAL to the country and to the enormous wealth they generated for the owners were just immediately abandoned or shifted elsewhere without a second thought the very moment it was more profitable to do so. You have giant chunks of the population who got sold on the lie of "hard work is rewarded" and told that their work was a part of something greater and they could take pride in being working class and the system was designed for them to succeed by putting in that work and then whoops there's a robot that can do it so gently caress off and die, poors, we don't need you anymore. The people left behind have spent generations working in an industry, and they know how good things used to be and they think they can somehow bring that back, but the people with the power to do that have only gotten richer by automating or outsourcing or stripping away all the hard-fought for protections and gains in order to exploit people more. What do you do when you did everything right all your life and not only got left with nothing, but are having poo poo actively taken away from you by people who are benefiting enormously from your exploitation? You get angry and you look to other ways to survive, and then the same people who hosed you over get to decry that you're criminals and subhuman and gently caress you over even more (and if you get sent to prison, exploit you for even more cash!). Jerusalem fucked around with this message at 03:27 on May 28, 2022 |
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Jerusalem posted:It's one of the big lessons from Season 2 I think, the idea that these industries that were VITAL to the country and to the enormous wealth they generated for the owners were just immediately abandoned or shifted elsewhere without a second thought the very moment it was more profitable to do so. You have giant chunks of the population who got sold on the lie of "hard work is rewarded" and told that their work was a part of something greater and they could take pride in being working class and the system was designed for them to succeed by putting in that work and then whoops there's a robot that can do it so gently caress off and die, poors, we don't need you anymore. The people left behind have spent generations working in an industry, and they know how good things used to be and they think they can somehow bring that back, but the people with the power to do that have only gotten richer by automating or outsourcing or stripping away all the hard-fought for protections and gains in order to exploit people more. I'd say that's a perfect description of s2. Some of these stevedores are old enough to remember a time when they were kids, their dads worked on the docks, and at the time it was enough so that their families could live in a decent place, and he'd get a pension to retire on. Now though, those places their parents used to live are boarded-up rowhouses, guys are lucky to get a couple of shifts per week, and the city refuses to dredge the harbor to allow larger ships to come in. Things are getting worse for everyone every day. Like Simon said in the interview someone quoted, the death of work. Also the death of the America of the past.
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MrMojok posted:I'd say that's a perfect description of s2. Some of these stevedores are old enough to remember a time when they were kids, their dads worked on the docks, and at the time it was enough so that their families could live in a decent place, and he'd get a pension to retire on. Not to mention the Waterfront Condos that are going to replace a huge part of the ports...
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TIL Johnny 50 that works on the docks in season 2 turns up in season 5 as a homeless dude McNulty speaks to during the serial killer arc.
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That sort of thing is easily one of the best parts of the Wire. Its writers don't let characters just disappear when they are done with their story but acknowledge that these people continue to exist in that city unless they die and ask themselves what is a plausible future for them.
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Yeah, that scene and the one with a drunk (probably) nick heckling the developers as they're opening the condos removes any doubt you might have had about what the stevedores have been up to since S2 
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ilmucche posted:Bug running around six flags with cotton candy and a batman mask on is adorable Nice dolphin, nigga.
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ilmucche posted:Bug running around six flags with cotton candy and a batman mask on is adorable Nice dolphin Edit: ^^ lol drat
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