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i am a moron posted:everything you posted is true wrt management thinking except for this, you'll have much better luck whipping your FTEs to death oh, you don't whip the contractors. you just offer them more work, their eyes turn to dollar signs, and they work themselves to half to death. if they're (the contractor) playing the game right, they know they're going to need down time to recover before the next gig.
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nudgenudgetilt posted:the term I've heard management assholes say is "optionality". the fully loaded cost for an employee is easily 1.5x their salary. management will gladly pay that 2x difference between fully loaded employee and contractor in exchange for increased "optionality" in the situation. oh dont get me wrong, im not saying contractors = bad, im more saying contactors = temporary employees where that temporary nature comes at a premium. bringing in contractors do to work outside of your core business is entirely reasonable
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May 31, 2022 20:13
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Shaggar posted:oh dont get me wrong, im not saying contractors = bad, im more saying contactors = temporary employees where that temporary nature comes at a premium. bringing in contractors do to work outside of your core business is entirely reasonable oh, I'm totally saying "contractors = bad" if they aren't truly a temporary need the final form of a company run by these assholes outsources anything they consider outside their core competency, and consider their core competency to be an orchestrated outsourcing of poo poo once upon a time the person performing janitorial services at a company had at least a shot at moving to another role within the same company. today that person is likely 1099 contractor for the company your company contracts janitorial services out to, and the fact they perform services for your company no longer provides an opportunity for upward mobility
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May 31, 2022 21:22
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CarForumPoster posted:I didnt know I thought this CarForumPoster posted:100% I will cop to missing good early-career candidates with the GitHub requirement. It's my own fault I can't filter them from resume alone, but I can't. I only hire maybe 1-2 computer touchers per year and have no other help hiring so how I optimize my time might not apply to other companies. Hopefully others are better about knowing you're awesome purely from your resume and phone interview. CarForumPoster posted:because when you’re making $12/hr and have $2k in savings decreasing weekly, or working a job you loving hate ---- How else am I supposed to read this? Xarn fucked around with this message at 12:19 on Jun 1, 2022 |
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Xarn posted:---- hiring people is hard, but also, its not difficult? I would think that people who have the time and money to sit down and create a portfolio would be the ones who are privileged.
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Jun 1, 2022 12:22
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champagne posting posted:hiring people is hard, but also, its not difficult? it's a great way to bias yourself against busy people with families who aren't already involved in OSS via work
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Xarn posted:---- Xarn posted:CFP is the guy who thinks that by looking for non-job project from potential employees, he is favouring minorities and disadvantaged people. Read as: GitHubs are available to most people who would be qualified for the jobs that required them, regardless of social or economic disadvantages. The results for our company indicate this is true, most of our developers over our 3 years would qualify as socially AND economically disadvantaged. My cofounder and I are, presently, the only cis/het white men in the company. So whether or not bias in that system of hiring is possible, the result in fact has been a diverse team in my experience so far. That said, I don't believe or claim that requiring a GitHub with code you wrote on it is "favouring minorities and disadvantaged people". It is neutral to them because they are free and doing so requires only a few hours. However, in my experience NOT making a GitHub is a choice made primarily by people who have competing offers already. champagne posting posted:hiring people is hard, but also, its not difficult? There is no monetary cost, that's the point. The time cost to be in the top 10% of candidates is 5-10 hours. Most people will spend that amount of time on a resume. However, a resume doesn't help you stand out amongst people with similar resumes and may actively hurt you if you're trying to pivot the technologies or nature of the jobs you're doing. --------- I find this debate frustrating because its centered around social ideas/ideals rather than how to achieve the goal of getting competing offers to get the job, life and pay you want. It seems like one made from an ivory tower to me. Every dev doesn't want to bother, but SOME recruiters look for it, and in that conflict lies opportunity for those who do.
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i'll help youCarForumPoster posted:I find this debate frustrating because its centered around social ideas/ideals rather than how to achieve the goal of getting competing offers to get the job, life and pay you want. It seems like one made from an ivory tower to me. Every dev doesn't want to bother, but SOME recruiters look for it, and in that conflict lies opportunity for those who do. CarForumPoster posted:My cofounder and I are, presently, the only cis/het white men in the company.
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Jun 1, 2022 14:33
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Aight let me post some PSYCHO poo poo to get us off this fuckin derail. Yesterday I attended a thing, while I was doing the thing I saved some drafts for thank you cards and schedule sent them this morning. Tell me if this is psycho poo poo, bootlicker poo poo, good professional poo poo, or just poo poo. Edit: Noticed these were tagged to my personal account rather than government name account. Fuuuuuuuuck, oh well low stakes. KirbyKhan fucked around with this message at 15:21 on Jun 1, 2022 |
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Jun 1, 2022 14:38
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I feel like you are significantly under estimating the time it takes to put together a useful github portfolio
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Jun 1, 2022 14:45
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the feudal lord can make what ever choices he wants. he can require a github, he can throw all the resumes into a chipper shredder and consult the oracles as who to hire, and posting on the internet isn't going to change his mind.
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Jun 1, 2022 14:46
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KirbyKhan posted:Aight let me post some PSYCHO poo poo to get us off this fuckin derail. its boomer poo poo, at least and you forgot to redact one of the emails
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Jun 1, 2022 14:47
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KirbyKhan posted:
Don't apologize for not having a education/qualification. If you don't have an education/qualification, don't mention it.
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Jun 1, 2022 14:49
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KirbyKhan posted:Aight let me post some PSYCHO poo poo to get us off this fuckin derail. Nah, you're fine. Assuming you matched the details to the correct person, it comes off as exactly what the people that would show up to events like this want to see. Remember, the companies aren't comparing notes on who sent them a thank you card. Your "worst" case scenario is ignored and deleted for all the messages, but most likely one or two will respond with "get back to me then and I'll get you in front of someone."
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Jun 1, 2022 14:50
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The Fool posted:its boomer poo poo, at least Good looking out, phone posting will fix when back on workstation. Yeah, boomer catnip artisanaly handcrafted. As natural as shitpost
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Jun 1, 2022 14:51
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I have constructed an elaborate scheme to bias my hires towards young single people with no hobbies outside of coding, please don't make me think too hard about it and realise that that's what I've done.
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Jun 1, 2022 14:51
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CarForumPoster posted:
Yes, asking people to spend their free time is neutral. 
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Reposted for posterity
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seems fine at first I thought you had received four very similar emails and I was very confused
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Jun 1, 2022 15:25
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KirbyKhan posted:Reposted for posterity Yeah this is fine. Definitely won’t hurt your case. Could help your case.
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i have not enough of a gh presence to interest anyone inbound but good enough for peeps to mention it when they got me as a recruiting lead separately, but my old coworker definitely had enough for peeps to come in inbound solely on gh and my estimation of the gap was literal thousands of hours spent full time on oss. which, like, i spend literal thousands of hours full time paid on oss and i dont have as good a personal gh as that guy if it's for seriously getting inbound recruiters its actually basically a full time job. if its collateral for recruiter to look at its still more like 50-100 hours and full time or really serious oss is an absolute basically total white-or-asian-dude-fest, more than closed source programming. myself not an exception. stereotype threat hits harder when shits in public bob dobbs is dead fucked around with this message at 16:05 on Jun 1, 2022 |
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The desire for portfolio work is what turns every private bootcamp's capstone into a blog post. Which is a marvel in way, to take someone who has not touched computer and get them to learn enough rituals to stand up a WordPress blog in AWS and configure the network to exclude known malicious actors. But let's be real we all tore down those instances and migrated our posts to Medium because money
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KirbyKhan posted:Aight let me post some PSYCHO poo poo to get us off this fuckin derail. this is fine. getting a job is a form of sales and sales is a) a numbers game; and b) planting many seeds early means there might be something to harvest down the road.
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Jun 1, 2022 18:59
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KirbyKhan posted:Aight let me post some PSYCHO poo poo to get us off this fuckin derail. was this actually your idea, or was it an assignment at a half-rate boot camp?
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bob dobbs is dead posted:i have not enough of a gh presence to interest anyone inbound but good enough for peeps to mention it when they got me as a recruiting lead separately, but my old coworker definitely had enough for peeps to come in inbound solely on gh and my estimation of the gap was literal thousands of hours spent full time on oss. which, like, i spend literal thousands of hours full time paid on oss and i dont have as good a personal gh as that guy Right, I have a sizeable gh presence, enough to sometimes get me leads from people who've actually read it (unlike the "I saw your GH and I think you would be a great fit to our Java team", while my GH is 98% C++ and the rest is Python glue), let me skip the initial "can this guy code his way out of paper bag" interview rounds and so on. The reason that I have is that I was privileged af and also because I find coding enough fun to want to do it in my free time.
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nudgenudgetilt posted:was this actually your idea, or was it an assignment at a half-rate boot camp? Both yes. I've seen Thank You card back when I was doing entertainment industry stuff in the mid 2010s so its not completely foreign to me. All the folks in my home network are boomer as gently caress, so that's where the ~extra~ formality comes in. I think it's useful, especially right now before I make my Things_Ive_Applied_To.xls. It has a place, idk it inserts me into someone's inbox in a pleasant way doesn't take much time.
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KirbyKhan posted:All the folks in my home network are boomer as gently caress, so that's where the ~extra~ formality comes in. based on all the other replies in the thread, I'm probably in the minority, but my take is: 1) grow your network 2) boomers want that formality because it puts you beneath them. they don't communicate with peers that way. communicate with your potential colleagues as peers and you're far more likely to be treated as a peer. communicate with them as though you're lesser to them, and they're going to consider you lesser to them
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Kernel Sanders posted:this is fine. getting a job is a form of sales and sales is a) a numbers game; and b) planting many seeds early means there might be something to harvest down the road. ^ Also just blast out your resume like crazy. Try to send 7 a day Mon - Fri.
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Ugh, I feel like doing the moves my boomer financiers desire frequently runs counter to actually getting a job. It is a wierd life. It is balancing act.
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amazon recruiter just reached out to let me know they're now 'skipping the initial screening for strong candidates such as yourself' i'm maybe 20% interested but i'm thinking about going through the process just to see what kind of offer they throw at me
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Jun 1, 2022 22:30
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the worst of tech major jobs, but deffo still a tech major job
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i went to glassdoor to check things out and holy poo poo how does that site manage to get even worse every time i go to it
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this was pretty funny and trending on redditized glassdoor: https://www.teamblind.com/post/Just-got-PIP-at-AWS-after-4-months-onboarding-plan-GqnfJwnX "hire to fire" what
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Asymmetric POSTer posted:this was pretty funny and trending on redditized glassdoor: https://www.teamblind.com/post/Just-got-PIP-at-AWS-after-4-months-onboarding-plan-GqnfJwnX this is the first time i'm ever hearing of 'hire to fire' and everyone in that thread is tossing it out so casually. yikes
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after the great nadella purge that unfucked microsoft those fuckers are now mostly at amazon
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I'm pretty sure I sunk a 7 hour Amazon interview last year by asking "I've heard Amazon asks a lot of its employees and has a lot of turnover at the 3-4 year mark. What is your experience and has the company done anything to increase retention?"
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Not a Children posted:I'm pretty sure I sunk a 7 hour Amazon interview last year by asking "I've heard Amazon asks a lot of its employees and has a lot of turnover at the 3-4 year mark. What is your experience and has the company done anything to increase retention?" i did interviewing at amazon and that sorta question wouldnt have sunk you with any of the loops id been on. doesnt mean you werent interviewed by an idiot, because lord knows there were plenty of idiots there, but its not a sure bet.
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PIZZA.BAT posted:this is the first time i'm ever hearing of 'hire to fire' and everyone in that thread is tossing it out so casually. yikes hire to fire is an attempt to get around stack ranking and preserve your team. however, you’d think that the manager’s manager would pip the manager because they also have numbers to hit and the guy breaking the rules is a good target
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