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jony neuemonic
Nov 13, 2009

im_sorry posted:

This is exactly what I was looking for... just waiting for the courage to pay the $100 USD for all of it.. Thanks so much!!

no problem!

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im_sorry
Jan 15, 2006

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Ultra Carp
I also just finished this - I couldn't find a good sample before I got bored, so I made a patch that sort of sounds like a distorted vocal sample. It's named "The Call", after the call you always hate getting... whatever your call taking occupation. https://soundcloud.com/the_door_is_scary/the-call

4lokos basilisk
Jul 17, 2008


Laserjet 4P posted:

wrt gear i feel like the dog that caught the car and now doesn’t know what to do with it. i have or had all of the stuff i ever wanted except for a jupiter 8 i guess

also having at least one really nice thing is good. 20 volcas don’t make a polybrute

my nice things are the laptop, monitors and audio interface, the rest is bought used for about 200 bucks a pop. lots of pops though

i definitely agree about the metaphor. for a lot of the stuff i just needed to figure it out in the computer, not buy more physical gear which became a headache to integrate into the whole setup

4lokos basilisk
Jul 17, 2008


Pollyanna posted:

there’s also the case where software is an outright better fit than hardware i.e. me

this post reminded me to share this video series that i found a while ago where lots of computer music famous people share their workflows and software. i never got past the mark fell video because i thought i needed to follow it by doing all this stuff simultaneously in pure data or max but haha it has been sitting unviewed in my tabs since that time

so maybe if i share this stuff, someone else will actually go ahead and have fun with it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcTAAdDPhTk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyQcoqflhbY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJ3e_jhg6vk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g740o1cj5Pw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YDS9nFSKhI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTSNjmsdJsg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIYqXVmyjzw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afr6ifnt6ho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVSKZCakeUU

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

4lokos basilisk posted:

anyway personal life hack that i try to abide by: if you want gear, go check out some used listings at around 100-200$ and see if something really inspires you. there's some really weird stuff out there and often it's sold for a pittance

edit: until that fucker hainbach finds out, buys all the available stock, makes a video of it on youtube and then MYSTERIOUSLY the prices go up

hainback owns

also he’s one of the few experimental musicians that make music that’s enjoyable to listen to

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


c music s: current wip is this

https://soundcloud.com/retrocombine/tesseract-wip/s-ebsEFEluZww

decided to take a different tack with my music and explicitly separate the type-poo poo-in and reflect-on-track phases. i loop a track on my phone while im at work, write down on a paper pad what changes i want to make, then do them when i get home. im usually wiped as gently caress after work and cant music brain good so the less thinking i need to do, the better.

so far the changes i wanna make are:

- add plucky pitch envelope to the kick
- add ramp-up/“warning” before sd/clhh come in around 0:34
- add drum fill before piano comes in
- add west coast/modular style arp line, starting around 1:34
- write B patterns for each voice/track

…and i will take any and all critique lol. and advice for self-critiquing

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


4lokos basilisk posted:

this post reminded me to share this video series that i found a while ago where lots of computer music famous people share their workflows and software. i never got past the mark fell video because i thought i needed to follow it by doing all this stuff simultaneously in pure data or max but haha it has been sitting unviewed in my tabs since that time

so maybe if i share this stuff, someone else will actually go ahead and have fun with it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcTAAdDPhTk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyQcoqflhbY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJ3e_jhg6vk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g740o1cj5Pw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YDS9nFSKhI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTSNjmsdJsg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIYqXVmyjzw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afr6ifnt6ho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVSKZCakeUU

ooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

imma watch all this

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


sometimes i get sad thinking that not many people at all will hear me or my music. i see it as a confirmation of my existence, something to point to and say that as far as N people know, i was there and did something of value

it’s kind of like how so many people have seen and appreciated the corruption stockpiles i did for vinesauce. and while im honored to make so many people laugh i still want to reach those highs of appreciation and presence

yet at the same time there are really cool creators and people whose work i admire who should really be more well known and get more eyes in them, and it’s sad to think that they aren’t being given their due (way i see it, anyway). so maybe this is something that’s just my own problem

prolly just :therapy: tbqh

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Pollyanna posted:

sometimes i get sad thinking that not many people at all will hear me or my music. i see it as a confirmation of my existence, something to point to and say that as far as N people know, i was there and did something of value

it’s kind of like how so many people have seen and appreciated the corruption stockpiles i did for vinesauce. and while im honored to make so many people laugh i still want to reach those highs of appreciation and presence

yet at the same time there are really cool creators and people whose work i admire who should really be more well known and get more eyes in them, and it’s sad to think that they aren’t being given their due (way i see it, anyway). so maybe this is something that’s just my own problem

prolly just :therapy: tbqh

I feel the same way at times, and tbh I don't really know how to reconcile it either, other than kind of not trying to think like that too much. validation never lasts as long as it should imo lol.

my music will probably never be good for more than a couple people to ever like it, but I enjoy making it, and while it's disappointing that so few people end up validating stuff that I am proud of, I'll be more disappointed if the reason I share something is for validation, rather than just because I am proud of it.

and if you keep working on it, you'll keeping becoming more and more proud of your work because it'll get better

Woolwich Bagnet
Apr 27, 2003



Pollyanna posted:

c music s: current wip is this

https://soundcloud.com/retrocombine/tesseract-wip/s-ebsEFEluZww

decided to take a different tack with my music and explicitly separate the type-poo poo-in and reflect-on-track phases. i loop a track on my phone while im at work, write down on a paper pad what changes i want to make, then do them when i get home. im usually wiped as gently caress after work and cant music brain good so the less thinking i need to do, the better.

so far the changes i wanna make are:

- add plucky pitch envelope to the kick
- add ramp-up/“warning” before sd/clhh come in around 0:34
- add drum fill before piano comes in
- add west coast/modular style arp line, starting around 1:34
- write B patterns for each voice/track

…and i will take any and all critique lol. and advice for self-critiquing

that's cool as hell. I suck at making stuff like that but love listening to it.

this popped in to my head this morning so this is where I'm at with it now, though there's still a lot of work to be done on it:

https://soundcloud.com/poltzart/slow-dance-song-wip/s-bUzKdhwx6qa

idk I guess it's like a slow dance song or something? whatever

killhamster
Apr 15, 2004

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Woolwich Bagnet posted:

that's cool as hell. I suck at making stuff like that but love listening to it.

this popped in to my head this morning so this is where I'm at with it now, though there's still a lot of work to be done on it:

https://soundcloud.com/poltzart/slow-dance-song-wip/s-bUzKdhwx6qa

idk I guess it's like a slow dance song or something? whatever

this is also really cool

i feel like a guitar playing little stabs with the snares would fit right in, or something like that. idk, sometimes when i listen to other folks' WIP i get ideas. it's how i used to work with a buddy when we'd team up for music, just trading control back and forth as we heard stuff the other hadn't

killhamster
Apr 15, 2004

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in the past couple of weeks i knocked out some remixes of a track i did with a buddy and an old track i was never going to properly finish to make a little single, including the one i posted here earlier

https://open.spotify.com/album/0DdV4eHPZB8A6arLkm7x0A?si=g4eQdf3xTnW4_ETyzOYSUw

i'm also fiddlign with my default setup to incorporate this shadow hills compressor plugin in got and i like it. still tweaking it but it does as well or better than the multiband comp i had in place before

Woolwich Bagnet
Apr 27, 2003



killhamster posted:

this is also really cool

i feel like a guitar playing little stabs with the snares would fit right in, or something like that. idk, sometimes when i listen to other folks' WIP i get ideas. it's how i used to work with a buddy when we'd team up for music, just trading control back and forth as we heard stuff the other hadn't

i played around with some guitar thanks to this suggestion and found something i really like. comes in around the 35 s mark. also drastically upped the fullness of it and did some other stuff here and there

still not close to done tho

https://soundcloud.com/poltzart/slow-dance-song-wip2/s-ieGoWGatl4O


killhamster posted:

in the past couple of weeks i knocked out some remixes of a track i did with a buddy and an old track i was never going to properly finish to make a little single, including the one i posted here earlier

https://open.spotify.com/album/0DdV4eHPZB8A6arLkm7x0A?si=g4eQdf3xTnW4_ETyzOYSUw

i'm also fiddlign with my default setup to incorporate this shadow hills compressor plugin in got and i like it. still tweaking it but it does as well or better than the multiband comp i had in place before

this is cool and good

killhamster
Apr 15, 2004

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Woolwich Bagnet posted:

i played around with some guitar thanks to this suggestion and found something i really like. comes in around the 35 s mark. also drastically upped the fullness of it and did some other stuff here and there

still not close to done tho

https://soundcloud.com/poltzart/slow-dance-song-wip2/s-ieGoWGatl4O

ah you went in a diff direction than i was thinking, i heard something kinda like in this song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGHLTuDe1GA

but what are you using for guitar there?

Woolwich Bagnet posted:

this is cool and good

:sickos:

Woolwich Bagnet
Apr 27, 2003



killhamster posted:

ah you went in a diff direction than i was thinking, i heard something kinda like in this song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGHLTuDe1GA

but what are you using for guitar there?

It was acoustic samples 'sunbird' with just a clean amp setup in overloud, but i switched it out now to the telematic (telecaster obv) with just clean amp



also i see what you mean now, and yeah it works super great

https://soundcloud.com/poltzart/slow-dance-song-wip3/s-6vMP4TroI0Q

the to build out the rest of the song woo

Woolwich Bagnet
Apr 27, 2003



welp, was going to do some stuff today, but instead worked on music all day

already another WIP version of that song

https://soundcloud.com/poltzart/slow-dance-song-wip4/s-912jyZe1gyg

it's nearing completion now

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


c music status uhhhhh suck my dick idk. vcv rack is fun. i made this it's really bad

https://soundcloud.com/retrocombine/gently caress-it-im-tired

enjoy

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


fun fact that poo poo was made by heavily mangling a sample of some loop i made in vcv rack and putting kicks and poo poo over it

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


I wish I had the energy and brain cells to do more music stuff after work :/ im mentally wiped by the time I get home. don’t have the spoons

Woolwich Bagnet
Apr 27, 2003



Pollyanna posted:

I wish I had the energy and brain cells to do more music stuff after work :/ im mentally wiped by the time I get home. don’t have the spoons

I do my best stuff early in the morning and late at night usually.

anyway, this popped in to my head yesterday morning so i put it down

https://soundcloud.com/poltzart/the-way-home

now I guess I'll finish the other one i started

im_sorry
Jan 15, 2006

(9999)
Ultra Carp

Pollyanna posted:

I wish I had the energy and brain cells to do more music stuff after work :/ im mentally wiped by the time I get home. don’t have the spoons

I find that often, after a hard, lovely day at work, I feel driven to make something.

For example, https://spacehoers.bandcamp.com/track/01197666-remote-gas-station-pumps-are-down-sev-1 which was inspired by a day where I got an emergency call to a cardlock site because the pumps weren't communicating. (It turned out that someone had been loving with the network cabling, so they got billed for it)

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


i do my best work over the course of a day or so, when my adhd meds are in effect. so having to spend that on work sucks

also i suppose there’s one good sign in my music making: i keep going back and listening to my tracks. tesseract and chugga! in particular. idk i like them even if they’re not technically good music and they have an intended audience of exactly one person. im always like “yeah gently caress it let’s throw on some icey chillbeats” when i see my profile on SoundCloud.

spose it’d be far worse if i didn’t like what i made but everyone else loved it

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


i guess no one can say that im derivative :smug:

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


Woolwich Bagnet posted:

I do my best stuff early in the morning and late at night usually.

anyway, this popped in to my head yesterday morning so i put it down

https://soundcloud.com/poltzart/the-way-home

now I guess I'll finish the other one i started

it’s kind of unfortunate that renoise makes it so difficult to write unbroken parts that span many different patterns cause id love to try my hand at these kinda long flowy piano lines, they’re pretty

honestly im halfway tempted to just define an instrument phrase that’s like 16 bars long and abstract it away to that.

im_sorry
Jan 15, 2006

(9999)
Ultra Carp

Pollyanna posted:

also i suppose there’s one good sign in my music making: i keep going back and listening to my tracks. tesseract and chugga! in particular. idk i like them even if they’re not technically good music and they have an intended audience of exactly one person. im always like “yeah gently caress it let’s throw on some icey chillbeats” when i see my profile on SoundCloud.

I often do this too... hell, I still listen to the tape I had made of "The Air Conditioner Graveyard" fairly often, and I think it sounds awesome, even though I had no idea what I was doing when I made it back in 2018 (and technically, I still don't). I'll sometimes listen to my other albums, too... most of it sounds good to me (with some tracks where I think, "I released *that*?!?!?!"), but I can't tell if it's actually good, or if my taste in music is really bad.

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


im_sorry posted:

I often do this too... hell, I still listen to the tape I had made of "The Air Conditioner Graveyard" fairly often, and I think it sounds awesome, even though I had no idea what I was doing when I made it back in 2018 (and technically, I still don't). I'll sometimes listen to my other albums, too... most of it sounds good to me (with some tracks where I think, "I released *that*?!?!?!"), but I can’t tell if it’s actually good, or if my taste in music is really bad.

lmao i know right. sometimes i feel bad that what i make doesn’t fit neatly into the genres and paradigms everyone else listens to. kinda like if i don’t fit then i don’t know what im doing and my music is flawed and immature. so maybe what sounds good to me is actually terrible garbage

maybe im still so early on that i haven’t differentiated yet

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


considering making some tracks in explicit genres, just to get used to and understand them. i wanna try tackling:

- dnb
- breakbeat
- (electro?-)industrial
- acid house
- trip hop
- string quartet
- piano
- ambient bullshit
- whatever the hell king gizzard and the lizard wizard is

:shepface: i don’t know what im doing and its all gonna be weeeeeird

—-

one of my biggest problems tho is that a large chunk of the music I listen to and have been influenced by (I guess) is from video games. video game music isn’t a genre and varies heavily, so ill be damned if I know how to find their influences.

like what genres are all these considered anyway??

https://youtu.be/m823f1DHZy0

https://youtu.be/FB9Pym-sdbs

https://youtu.be/ZbbUv1hz6mE

https://youtu.be/URWNqs7FEXA

https://youtu.be/Sh0-Vh1A7Z4

https://youtu.be/UTLqnME57vo

https://youtu.be/GPL5Hkl11IQ

https://youtu.be/qeccV0waQJE

Pollyanna fucked around with this message at 17:12 on Jun 29, 2022

im_sorry
Jan 15, 2006

(9999)
Ultra Carp

Pollyanna posted:

one of my biggest problems tho is that a large chunk of the music I listen to and have been influenced by (I guess) is from video games.

Then let this influence you. It's one of my favorite albums, and it's weird as gently caress. https://archive.org/details/lf074mp3

Writeup about the band here - https://lethargicramblings.wordpress.com/2019/11/14/the-bizarre-warped-reality-of-five-starcle-men/

killhamster
Apr 15, 2004

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Pollyanna posted:

considering making some tracks in explicit genres, just to get used to and understand them. i wanna try tackling:

- dnb

gonna warn you now: this one is more complicated than you expect and you will hate what you make for a while

at least that was my experience

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



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dnb prod is an insanely broad spectrum and you'll be using 30 years of techniques all the way from old school timestretching to layering five basslines and stacking four kick drums to using some pretty serious modeling synths. I'm not saying this to scare you off but i would say narrow that down some and try to pick a subgenre. Listen to some LTJ Bukem mixes for the airy atmospheric stuff, check out Paradox/Alaska for super chopped up old school breaks (dude still uses an Atari ST even live to this day), investigate the Subtitles/nordic teebee-ish scene for some steppers with a lot of ambience, hell even get into some of that awful clownstep just to see what they're doing, then see which way you wanna lean for experimenting.

4lokos basilisk
Jul 17, 2008


killhamster posted:

gonna warn you now: this one is more complicated than you expect and you will hate what you make for a while

at least that was my experience

this is my experience as well. i listen to a lot of liquid dnb and i kind of know what i like, but feels like those tracks are super technical in terms of mixing while not appearing that way while listening

killhamster
Apr 15, 2004

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don't get me wrong tho, i loving love making it and when i nail one i really feel like i nail it, but they're almost always my most complex and tweaky projects

4lokos basilisk
Jul 17, 2008



i have never been into video game music much, but a lot of it seems to be the combination of trying to make do within the limitations of the game system's synthesis engine and borrowing from existing styles-themes.

for example, that first sonic track instantly reminds me of aphex twin's we are the music makers

why video game music has become a thing on its own, i suspect its because the games make it more special because it becomes the soundtrack for so many precious happy moments

4lokos basilisk
Jul 17, 2008


killhamster posted:

don't get me wrong tho, i loving love making it and when i nail one i really feel like i nail it, but they're almost always my most complex and tweaky projects

i would love to work on my dnb chops but as it stands my workflow is more like chucking out some jams and not working very much on the detailed mixing part at all. this could change tho

NonzeroCircle
Apr 12, 2010

El Camino
Renoise is great for chopping up Amens (and other breaks too...i guess... But why would you)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aACxKhJ-GY


I like a lot of DnB, especially the darker old Metalheadz kinda sound but at this point it's as much a descriptor of tempo (160-175bpm) as it is anything else.

I really recommend the Ed Rush/Nico album Torque to anyone with even a passing interest in DnB: in a genre thats heavily Bladerunner influenced this is pure cold hard scifi music and I love it

im_sorry
Jan 15, 2006

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Ultra Carp

NonzeroCircle posted:

Renoise is great for chopping up Amens (and other breaks too...i guess... But why would you)

Why would you not?

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


Jonny 290 posted:

dnb prod is an insanely broad spectrum and you'll be using 30 years of techniques all the way from old school timestretching to layering five basslines and stacking four kick drums to using some pretty serious modeling synths. I'm not saying this to scare you off but i would say narrow that down some and try to pick a subgenre. Listen to some LTJ Bukem mixes for the airy atmospheric stuff, check out Paradox/Alaska for super chopped up old school breaks (dude still uses an Atari ST even live to this day), investigate the Subtitles/nordic teebee-ish scene for some steppers with a lot of ambience, hell even get into some of that awful clownstep just to see what they're doing, then see which way you wanna lean for experimenting.

is dnb not a subgenre????

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


quote:

:words:

lol estoy más perdida que la hija de la llorona

I will take this all into account thank you for the learnings

NonzeroCircle
Apr 12, 2010

El Camino

im_sorry posted:

Why would you not?

Other breaks are good don't get me wrong, but there's something I find zen about making dumb mangled Amens.
Think is also a real fun one for messing with and resequencing

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May 5, 2005



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Pollyanna posted:

is dnb not a subgenre????


A fight has been raging for like 25 plus years as to whether or not dnb == jungle and i am not gonna state my opinion, ok i will, jungle is a specific corner of drum and bass

this is jungle

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QMiCBJ7yRM

this is dnb

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xFcWG790K8

this is also dnb

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlmSklLWDWs

this is also dnb even though it has amens

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVwTF7Nw3-w

this is ALSO dnb even though it has the rattly snares

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEk7SHhkSng

drum and bass is an exceedingly big tent

Jonny 290 fucked around with this message at 22:29 on Jun 29, 2022

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