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mawarannahr posted:have you ever lived in USA, FF? A few weeks in Fort Irwin?
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Frosted Flake posted:A few weeks in Fort Irwin? I just think it wouldn’t happen and I can’t explain clearly why. I’ve only been here a few years but it seems like it just wouldn’t happen, and if it did you’d get people coming out against it like it would be giving up or something.
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Jul 6, 2022 08:42
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mawarannahr posted:I just think it wouldn’t happen and I can’t explain clearly why. I’ve only been here a few years but it seems like it just wouldn’t happen, and if it did you’d get people coming out against it like it would be giving up or something. I get that, I’m just thinking of ways that some good could be done, and since you can’t say you’re taking care of people for their own sake, making it part of some Tough on Crime, Back the Blue stuff seems like it could maybe sneak past. I realize even writing it out that it would probably end up as Strasserism and equating victims of mass shootings to casualties in a People’s War against crime fought on home soil is probably only end up with a more militarized police force or something. Frosted Flake has issued a correction as of 08:49 on Jul 6, 2022 |
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Jul 6, 2022 08:46
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I mean, we don't even do that for actual injured war veterans. I honestly think the July 4th shooting was a bit of a tipping point. Just total exhaustion tinged with a bit of "well, that's what you get for going outside." Ironically as people tune out maybe then the media's interest will slacken and the cycle will start to abate. They'll try to wring it for a long time though e: like there's a reason wounded warriors is a nonprofit
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Jul 6, 2022 08:47
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Frosted Flake posted:Would it be unpopular to pass a GI Bill or something for these people? Idk dress it up as Homeland Security, call them Heroes or something, but they’re being injured as a result of stuff going on in the country, they’re members of the public, it seems like an easy win for Biden. we got gofundme
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Jul 6, 2022 08:49
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remember when things like basic rear end universal background checks, wait periods, and age restrictions were an absolutely don't you dare go near my large adult son gently caress you to the republicans and democrat just did nothing. did they even pass that garbage? I don't even know if they bothered passing the thing that doesn't loving do anything.
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Jul 6, 2022 08:49
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mawarannahr posted:I just think it wouldn’t happen and I can’t explain clearly why. I’ve only been here a few years but it seems like it just wouldn’t happen, and if it did you’d get people coming out against it like it would be giving up or something. Republicans wouldn't touch it because it would entail acknowledging the humanity of the people affected by their policies and beliefs etc. Democrats wouldn't do it because of the "deficit' (?). Easy
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Jul 6, 2022 08:51
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they didn't do nothing, they passed a law that gave more money and guns to cops
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Jul 6, 2022 08:52
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maybe if there was some way to get Havana syndrome involved somehow…
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Jul 6, 2022 08:53
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will not getting shot to death help americans finance a truck? if not you've got all your policy work ahead of you im afraid
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Jul 6, 2022 08:55
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the democrats are standing in front of a giant control panel with thousands of buttons but all of them are taped over with notes that say "NO!!" except for three which say "more money for cops," "pointless publicity stunt," and "tell people to vote" and they're just smashing only those three no matter what happens
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Jul 6, 2022 08:56
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Stairmaster posted:funny how we still dont know what the deal with the paddock shooting was he was an old gambler who lost his life savings I thought
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Jul 6, 2022 08:56
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Frosted Flake posted:I get that, I’m just thinking of ways that some good could be done, and since you can’t say you’re taking care of people for their own sake, making it part of some Tough on Crime, Back the Blue stuff seems like it could maybe sneak past. I think the piece you're missing is that firing hundreds of rounds from an assault rifle into a crowd of people that you can construe to be your political enemies, or the children of them, is what about 30% of America's population fantasizes about and thinks is a cool thing to do. They think shooting a bunch of their political enemies will strengthen the police and lower crime
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Jul 6, 2022 08:57
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i'm sure when another western city burns down this summer the democrats will theatrically pour water on themselves on the capital steps while telling people to vote and quickly write some legislation to give a bunch of recovery money directly to the police
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Jul 6, 2022 08:58
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Stereotype posted:the democrats are standing in front of a giant control panel with thousands of buttons but all of them are taped over with notes that say "NO!!" except for three which say "more money for cops," "pointless publicity stunt," and "tell people to vote " and they're just smashing only those three no matter what happens
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Jul 6, 2022 09:00
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Make everybody cops. If the 2nd Amendment is based on maintaining a militia, induct everyone into the militia, with medical, dental, housing and education benefits. What’s tougher on crime than those Eight Million Bayonets? I realize I keep reinventing fascism and I don’t know why that seems to be a prerequisite for giving Americans healthcare.
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Jul 6, 2022 09:00
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Frosted Flake posted:Would it be unpopular to pass a GI Bill or something for these people? Idk dress it up as Homeland Security, call them Heroes or something, but they’re being injured as a result of stuff going on in the country, they’re members of the public, it seems like an easy win for Biden. lol
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Jul 6, 2022 09:24
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Frosted Flake posted:Make everybody cops. If the 2nd Amendment is based on maintaining a militia, induct everyone into the militia, with medical, dental, housing and education benefits. What’s tougher on crime than those Eight Million Bayonets? America is a deeply diseased country. Leftist politics was crushed for decades so Americans can't even conceive of the government acting for their benefit. COVID was the first time most people witnessed the government actually help them, as meager as that aid was.
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Frosted Flake posted:Make everybody cops. If the 2nd Amendment is based on maintaining a militia, induct everyone into the militia, with medical, dental, housing and education benefits. What’s tougher on crime than those Eight Million Bayonets? First off,  fellow Fort Irwin alumni. Closest thing to civilization is Barstow. Off a single road, 30 miles long. Second, think of the US not as a first world nation, but a borderline banana republic wearing a Gucci belt. Medium Chungus has issued a correction as of 12:10 on Jul 6, 2022 |
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we cant help victims cause then we would have to help groups like the pulse nightclub victims and that would make america upset
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Real hurthling! posted:we cant help victims cause then we would have to help groups like the pulse nightclub victims and that would make america upset we've collectively decided the best way to deal with this is to make individual GoFundMe's for each victim so that they can receive money based on how effective their friends and family are at social media influencing.
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mawarannahr posted:maybe if there was some way to get Havana syndrome involved somehow… let's goon source the biggest EMF transmitter ever, put it in space, and then use it to redacted Der Meister posted:he was an old gambler who lost his life savings I thought In 2015 it was estimated he'd lost 400k (https://thenevadaindependent.com/article/stephen-paddock-probably-lost-about-404933-gambling-in-2015) however at the time of his death he had assets valued at 1.3m (https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime/shootings/assets-of-las-vegas-gunman-valued-at-more-than-1-3m/) quote:Las Vegas police have said Paddock had 14 bank accounts. The source of the discrepancy remains unclear. Also he had probably done dry runs or considered other venues for a hot run: (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/05/las-vegas-gunman-booked-other-rooms-stephen-paddock) So -- someone slowly losing it all and unravelling as a result? Or, someone who knows they are on a ticking clock to perform an op, who is just spending everything they have (including lots of money from "unknown sources") in the meantime? I have no idea, but the second one sounds like the plot to Looper a bit and also seems entirely believable to me. You hardly need compliancy of "the US government" to pull of something like this; you just need a few spooks or ex spooks with a pile of dark money and some weird loving agenda. I am pretty agnostic as to whether the Vegas shooting was an op of some kind that involved other people, or not, and I don't expect to ever know the answer to that. If I had lost a friend or family member in the shootings, the question would likely eat at me incessantly. Cabbages and Kings has issued a correction as of 14:32 on Jul 6, 2022 |
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Jul 6, 2022 14:26
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i know this is definitely a dumb question, where is this "has been hospitalized for mental health" database, exactly? or is it more like, you apply for a (handgun only?) license and then someone does a sweeping search of hospital records? and this has never applied to long guns, or...? i checked in voluntarily for 3 days 7 years ago because i had a godawful reaction to abilify and needed to cool off, so now I can't get a pew-pew?
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someusername posted:i know this is definitely a dumb question, where is this "has been hospitalized for mental health" database, exactly? when you go to buy a gun you need to do two things: one is fill out a form which among other things I believe includes an attestation that you have never been "involuntarily committed or legally determined to be incompetant". The second thing is that the gun store takes your ID, scans it, takes the form you filled out, and calls into an FBI database called NICS. If NICS flags you as persona non grata, they will not sell you a gun. Reasons for NICS determining you are not eligible to own a gun include: The loving Government posted:Categories of disqualifying records include: A 3 day voluntary stay in the hospital is unlikely to be a problem. edit: for FUCKS sake did I just give someone advice on buying a gun in the loving mass shootings thread? What the gently caress is wrong with me, what the gently caress is wrong with this demon cracker nation
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The TFR gun control thread is going wellProper Kerni ng posted:One of my answers to the eternal dumbass question of ~~Why do you need a high powered semiautomatic weapon of war~~ is "ranged defense against some rear end in a top hat thinking it's a funny joke to deliberately launch fireworks onto my heavily-wooded land while my county is under a Red Flag burn ban"; that's Arson and Attempted Murder in these weather conditions, and you're goddamn right I'm breaking out the AR for that.
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Jul 6, 2022 14:51
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lol every single public area with a fire warning also has giant NO GUNS EITHER signs edit: not sure how that small thing matters over the threat of shooting people for fireworks but its early ok
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Jul 6, 2022 14:53
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They're talking about people setting fire to their private property, I suppose you'd throw them a picnic instead of nourishing the earth with intruder blood
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Jul 6, 2022 14:55
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yeah im sure there are people trying to just burn down the goons "land"
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lol good thread to pop into to defend guns protecting private property btw bud
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Jul 6, 2022 14:58
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I lived for a couple of years in rural Maine and if someone was burning during high fire danger (ie - without a permit) and you didn't know them you just called the fire department and they would come hose it all down and give a citation. If you are living so rural there is no fire department, you should have plans for fighting fires on your property (that doesn't start with shooting people, preferably).
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Jul 6, 2022 15:01
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watching a video of someone launching fireworks at luxury apartments in a city: this is why I need an AR-15, in case someone does this same thing except launching fireworks at my rural mcmansion that is 3 football fields back from the road
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Jul 6, 2022 15:06
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lol that "I want to murder people over fireworks" only pulled a "please don't say that out loud" from the tfr mods
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tfr loves to shoot people for things like stealing pumpkins or shooting fireworks i guess
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What the gently caress would be the point of Las Vegas being an op? Wanted to ban bump stocks that badly? We let 20 first graders get murdered we aren't doing jack poo poo.
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Jul 6, 2022 15:12
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Frosted Flake posted:Make everybody cops. this isn’t the anarchism thread
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I swear to God I so much as see a sparkler near my barn I will not fuckjng hesitate
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Groovelord Neato posted:What the gently caress would be the point of Las Vegas being an op? Wanted to ban bump stocks that badly? We let 20 first graders get murdered we aren't doing jack poo poo. strategy of tension possible paddock wasn't the one doing the shooting, or wasn't working alone. was possibly a patsy. remember how his brother was arrested like immediately after speaking publicly? or how that one security guard did a single interview on loving ellen of all places then disappeared forever?
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Cabbages and Kings posted:Reasons for NICS determining you are not eligible to own a gun include: looking at that list, it doesn’t seem to exclude non-citizens. can someone own a gun if they’re on a work visa or greencard or vacation?
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Groovelord Neato posted:What the gently caress would be the point of Las Vegas being an op? to cover up what Stephen Paddock was actually doing there with that many guns. tbh I haven't done enough reading on it to say one way or the other, but the reasonable people smelling something fishy around the las vegas shooting absolutely do not think it was a false flag to do bump stock legislation lol
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Pepe Silvia Browne posted:to cover up what Stephen Paddock was actually doing there with that many guns. 3 percent of American adults own half the guns.
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