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okay well thats certainly a plot twist i was thinking it was either caffeinated jerkoff or neverhelm because i was assuming scum would be among the people who voted wologar and were pushing hardest for cloacamazing and yes that group includes me i guess now we have to see if anyone counterclaims
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Is that so? In other words, according to you, either Bucnasti or Jade are scum then. Though I find it a bit strange that you were that confident in the Godfather theory that you voted out Personally, I'm not entirely sure I believe this just yet. I will give people time to respond before I decide. I did have my suspicions about who the Cop might be given yesterday's posts, and it wasn't you.
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Jul 10, 2022 19:03
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*that you voted out Cloacamazing, even dropping the hammer+.
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Jul 10, 2022 19:04
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Caffeinated Jerkoff posted:wologar isn't double and tripling down, they've retracted their vote and are speculating about what would happen if all of their suspicions were wrong, and what would happen if they and/or Plastic got voted out i suppose this makes me look at this post in another light
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Jul 10, 2022 19:08
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Yeah voting for Cloacamazing was a big fuckup on my part. I wavered basically that whole day between claiming to defend her and voting for her. I ended up landing on voting for her, because I'd been suspicious of her since mid Day 2, and didn't have any other scum reads I was more confident in.
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Jul 10, 2022 19:13
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NeverHelm posted:Is that so? In other words, according to you, either Bucnasti or Jade are scum then. Though I find it a bit strange that you were that confident in the Godfather theory that you voted out 100% understandable to have doubt because of that. I really shouldn't have let the possibility of a godfather influence whether or not I believed the information I got from my role. If it helps, my day 2 "scum want us to vote green wing or neverhelm here" take was mainly from my investigation result from checking you. It's also evidence that I have a habit of impulsively believing theories that only hold up under very specific conditions 
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Jul 10, 2022 19:27
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Does the cop investigation only give someones alignment and not their role?
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Jul 10, 2022 19:33
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Well poo poo. I checked the thread after hanging out with my cousin yesterday, and, like... five votes to eliminate cast when only four where needed. And then the best read just... was ordinary town. And now the most pumped up poster is gone. (Though I hope she's doing fine wherever she's gone off to.) I'm... really not sure what to make of CJ's claim? For one thing, like, even if saying it "was a fuckup", that jump in was the fifth vote when four were needed. An incredibly last minute hurling on to the majority. For another, their early game was a lot of "step into the killer's shoes" stuff that didn't really help any of us. And also, for the last two people left alive... I know I'm town, and I think Bucnasti probably is actually the remaining mason. So if CJ is actually telling the truth here, then everyone's reading town and thus someone's the godfather, which means the report doesn't... tell us anything. Right? But NeverHelm seems to think someone else is the cop, but nobody's counterclaiming. So... I don't know.
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Jul 10, 2022 19:37
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Caffeinated Jerkoff posted:Yeah voting for Cloacamazing was a big fuckup on my part. I wavered basically that whole day between claiming to defend her and voting for her. I ended up landing on voting for her, because I'd been suspicious of her since mid Day 2, and didn't have any other scum reads I was more confident in. Well, you could have just, you know, not voted. And let the rest of us do it. I mean, in this case it was pretty obvious it was going to happen. And there was plenty of time left in the day. Bucnasti posted:Does the cop investigation only give someones alignment and not their role?
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Jul 10, 2022 19:37
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Bucnasti posted:Does the cop investigation only give someones alignment and not their role? I think that's generally how it works, right? Getting a full look at someone's role card would be kinda game breaking.
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Jul 10, 2022 19:37
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Jadecore posted:But NeverHelm seems to think someone else is the cop, but nobody's counterclaiming. So... I don't know. I was thinking that this person had checked Cloacamazing, but didn't want to reveal it yesterday because it would incriminate them if they defended someone the thread was clearly about to lunch. It would explain some things I found odd on a re-read. But if I'm wrong and that person doesn't claim, I might just have to assume CJ is telling the truth here.
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Jul 10, 2022 19:45
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Jadecore posted:Well poo poo. I checked the thread after hanging out with my cousin yesterday, and, like... five votes to eliminate cast when only four where needed. And then the best read just... was ordinary town. And now the most pumped up poster is gone. (Though I hope she's doing fine wherever she's gone off to.) I didn't see Bucnasti's vote come in before I posted. I imagine Bucnasti and I must've posted within like 15 seconds of one another.
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Jul 10, 2022 19:45
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I mean, I still find CJ's story a little hard to believe. But I found a lot of people's stories hard to believe and voted accordingly, and they ended up being town. So...Caffeinated Jerkoff posted:I didn't see Bucnasti's vote come in before I posted. I imagine Bucnasti and I must've posted within like 15 seconds of one another. Yeah, those votes were so close the bot didn't seem to react properly.
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Jul 10, 2022 19:47
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I don't think we're likely to see a counterclaim, because it'd be suicide. They'd have to thread the needle between claiming I'm lying and convincing town to vote for someone who isn't me, so my role card doesn't flip and reveal that they're lying.
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Jul 10, 2022 19:50
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Well... Caffeinated Jerkoff did vote both Lupus and Plastic so... I guess that's a point in their favor.
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Jul 10, 2022 19:54
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With only five of us remaining. There's at least 1 scum 1 Mason (me) 1 Doctor or other town defensive role and CJ is claiming to be a cop That leaves 1 person to be either a second scum or a vanilla town. I'm not completely sure what to do with this information.
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Jul 10, 2022 19:56
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NeverHelm posted:Well... Caffeinated Jerkoff did vote both Lupus and Plastic so... I guess that's a point in their favor. That's... true. I think most of us did? I'll be honest CJ was next on my line of suspicion before this and now I don't know what to think.
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Jul 10, 2022 20:02
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Say, CJ. I was wondering something. Earlier, when we were going up against Plastic, you said the following:Caffeinated Jerkoff posted:doctor can't protect themselves
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Jul 10, 2022 20:02
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if cj isnt the cop that means he would be betting the game on there not being an actual cop, because even if someone counterclaims and gets voted out, he'd be getting voted out the next day. seems like a really big risk thats assuming theres 1 scum left. but if theres 2 scum left it also seems like a big risk to take when theyre that close to winning
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Jul 10, 2022 20:04
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I agree. But I want to be completely sure.
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Jul 10, 2022 20:06
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NeverHelm posted:Say, CJ. I was wondering something. Earlier, when we were going up against Plastic, you said the following: It could vary by moderator, but that's how the doctor works according to the samafia wiki and mafia discussion thread OP. mafia discussion thread OP posted:● Doctor - Protects one person from a night kill. Typically cannot target themselves or the same person twice in a row. I posted it fast hoping that it would prevent the potential real doctor from accidentally outing themselves
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Jul 10, 2022 20:14
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I see. That makes sense. Well the person I expected to counterclaim, hasn't. So I guess I'm going to have to assume I was wrong, and CJ is the real Cop then.
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Jul 10, 2022 20:16
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NeverHelm posted:I see. That makes sense. If you're talking about me because I wanted more discussion time, sorry. I'm not a cop.
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Jul 10, 2022 20:23
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That leaves me with three possibilities then. Bucnasti, Jadecore, or the possibility that there actually is a Mafia Godfather after all and cuntman is scum. But I'd rather not go down that last rabbit hole just yet. So there are really only two choices.Jadecore posted:If you're talking about me because I wanted more discussion time, sorry. I'm not a cop. Yes, it is exactly you I was thinking of. Both because of your reluctance to vote, and how you suddenly brought up the proper strategy for when Cops should claim. Reading those posts made me suspect you might be Cop. Quite strongly in fact. But you haven't reacted to my prodding at all.
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NeverHelm posted:Yes, it is exactly you I was thinking of. Both because of your reluctance to vote, and how you suddenly brought up the proper strategy for when Cops should claim. Reading those posts made me suspect you might be Cop. Quite strongly in fact. But you haven't reacted to my prodding at all. Yeah, I can totally get that, but, like. I'm not, so I'm not going to say that I am. I was largely asking because we were getting down to a notably low amount of people, so I figured that since a cop hadn't turned up flipped, they should probably have a good list, and wanted to figure out if I should be expecting someone to say it or if I needed to start doing close readings of who people seemed suspicious of.
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well if we assume that cj is the cop, all this tells us is that cj isnt scum. by my own logic that makes me the next most suspicious so i guess that means im screwed vv my next guess was neverhelm but that would mean they were working with plastic automaton on some sort of crazy puppetmaster scheme and they had it running since day 2. that just seems way too early for that, with not much benefit. maybe it would explain why plastic automaton seemed to be slacking off a bit that day but i dont know my only other guess is jadecore just because shes done a good job of staying under the radar. people have been suspicious of her before but it never lasted long neverhelm being scum would really be the funniest possible option though. im imagining all the dead townspeople in heaven screaming at us to vote them since the beginning and all the dead scum laughing at us from hell
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Jul 10, 2022 20:41
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Ok. Crackpot theory time. Feel free to stop me if this sounds too insane. CJ claimed really early in the day. Like, right away. As if they were in a hurry. Why would they be in a hurry? Because someone else had hinted at being Cop, and was going to try to usurp their role. So they claimed right away, to pre-empt them. Does that make sense to anyone else?
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im not completely following here but someone counterclaiming would be the best possible scenario because it narrows it down to just 2 people
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Exactly. Which is why they haven't done so now, even though they had originally planned to claim.
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NeverHelm posted:Ok. Crackpot theory time. Feel free to stop me if this sounds too insane. Okay see, I see the thread of your logic there. I can even get where it's coming from. The problem is: I'm both not a cop and was never planning to claim that, and am town, so I know it's incorrect. I don't have, like, evidence, unfortunately. But it's not right.
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Sorry. Its just... The only other options, if we believe CJ, is to assume that Bucnasti is a master actor playing an insane long con, or that cuntman is Godfather. I don't want to think you're scum, Jade. But it seems like the reasonable conclusion here.
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Or from the perspective of the rest of you, me being Godfather and a master actor playing an insane long con.
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NeverHelm posted:Sorry. Its just... The only other options, if we believe CJ, is to assume that Bucnasti is a master actor playing an insane long con, or that cuntman is Godfather. No I totally get that! That's the problem! From your perspective, this would make total sense! It's just that I[ know that it's incorrect because I'm not scum. But I don't really have any way to prove that.
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whichever one of you is scum deserves to win at this point neverhelm for the super long term puppetmaster con jadecore for completely staying under the radar the entire game bucnasti for going under all the scrutiny without letting anything slip caffeinated jerkoff for taking a huge risk and having it pay off
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What's your take on this, Caffeinated Jerkoff?
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I feel like if there's only one scum left town will probably still win, even if we vote out a townie today. If there are two scum, then I think we're screwed, but I also think if there were two scum, one of them would counterclaim CJ. All my thoughts just keep coming around in circles and rely on whether or not CJ is telling the truth.
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I also generally read Jadecore as town, so I'm hesitant to jump on this. But following the 'Jadecore could have been setting up a claim' line of reasoning, these two posts seem like the same move but for Doctor instead of Cop:Jadecore posted:This may be a weird point, but don't Doctors have to successfully mindmeld with scum to pick the person they think scum will target that night? It's obviously extremely powerful, but if there's enough roulette elements to it, couldn't scum just gamble, not kill theoretical Doctor Plastic, and then let town flip him the next day if their kill goes through? ...I mean that's taking a lot of chance and not playing optimally, but as strictly a mind game bamboozler play it could throw people off. Jadecore posted:I get what you're saying but also this feels dependent on the doctor having those self sacrifice instincts and being online and also I think something's weird about the logic here? I noticed these posts formed a sort of implied claim when I was trying to figure out who Green Wing thought the doctor was after voting Plastic on Day 3. That said, it's all sort of circumstantial, and it would be odd for scum to attempt the same setup twice. I agree that Jadecore seems like the most likely pick from the evidence we've got from my investigation results. Since the possibility of a godfather isn't really an actionable thing, I think it's the best option we've got. I don't like it, but I don't think anything more obvious is going to turn up, either.
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Ok then. Since we seem to be mostly in agreement about Jade then, I'll ##vote Jadecore. To be honest, I don't think anyone could convince me to vote otherwise because I have trouble seeing it as anyone else given your report. If you are conning us I'm not even going to be mad. Because that would be a masterful play.
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I... don't really have anything I can give you. I honestly think the most plausible solution here is cuntman being godfather. If CJ is telling the truth and had investigated me instead last night, we'd be in opposite positions.
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I'd be lying if I said I felt good about this vote. But assuming someone is Godfather when there's another, more plausible option is too far of a leap for me.
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