|
that got me on a rabbit hole of old AT&T footage and i found this one showing how they did the same thing to install the rotary dial switchers in the first place: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p45T7U5oi9Q&t=487s but for that they just had to pull out a bunch of fuses at once, so i'm even less sure why the new system requires cutting stuff
|
#
?
Aug 9, 2022 17:42
|
|
|
|
| # ? Apr 25, 2024 05:11 |
|
|
crossbar switches were some cool poo poo and it's amazing to think about how the mid century telephone system was literally a single vast machine spanning the entire globe
|
|
#
?
Aug 9, 2022 17:58
|
|
|
shame on an IGA posted:crossbar switches were some cool poo poo and it's amazing to think about how the mid century telephone system was literally a single vast machine spanning the entire globe it was quite an achievement that was easy to take for granted.
|
|
#
?
Aug 9, 2022 18:02
|
|
|
I don't think many people took it for granted when the pricing was in line with the scale of modern wonder. International LD was $4/min in nominal dollars in 1965
|
|
#
?
Aug 9, 2022 18:04
|
|
|
shame on an IGA posted:I don't think many people took it for granted when the pricing was in line with the scale of modern wonder. International LD was $4/min in nominal dollars in 1965 why would i ever want to call someone in another country with their weird other country words though
|
|
#
?
Aug 9, 2022 18:22
|
|
|
Shame Boy posted:that got me on a rabbit hole of old AT&T footage and i found this one showing how they did the same thing to install the rotary dial switchers in the first place: cause cutting stuff is cool and fun
|
|
#
?
Aug 9, 2022 19:10
|
|
|
duz posted:cause cutting stuff is cool and fun i do think it's funny that in 1940 they were all wearing electrical safety gloves and safety goggles but in the 80's one they didn't have any of that poo poo i guess they might be wearing safety glasses but they just look like normal glasses to me idk
|
|
#
?
Aug 9, 2022 19:17
|
|
|
shame on an IGA posted:crossbar switches were some cool poo poo and it's amazing to think about how the mid century telephone system was literally a single vast machine spanning the entire globe my mom worked in telecom doing software for PBX and public switches as they were increasingly going digital. they wrote the software for the switch that Tanzania used to move away from the electromechanical model, and they had a huge (n.b., I was like 7 so) map of Tanzania and neighbouring countries showing the linkages of the current switch. when I visited they’d sometimes take it off the wall and put it on one of the big(?) lab tables and I’d trace paths between places making up stories about who was calling who boy, haven’t thought about that in a really long time
|
|
#
?
Aug 9, 2022 20:21
|
|
|
https://twitter.com/ericuman/status/1556825259675992065?s=20&t=KIEeKBUQKgxzgSCv5wp6-g
|
|
#
?
Aug 9, 2022 21:54
|
|
|
Wow a public wifi-spot? It's over! Those russians have it all now. I mean I'm sure their network security isn't amazing or anything, but a public passwordless wifi hotspot is nothing.
|
|
#
?
Aug 9, 2022 22:01
|
|
|
*connecting to starbucks wifi* I'm in
|
|
#
?
Aug 9, 2022 22:03
|
|
|
dpkg chopra posted:*connecting to starbucks wifi* I'm in
|
|
#
?
Aug 9, 2022 22:11
|
|
|
CommieGIR posted:https://twitter.com/ericuman/status/1556825259675992065?s=20&t=KIEeKBUQKgxzgSCv5wp6-g even if it had encryption its trivial to break wps usually 
|
|
#
?
Aug 9, 2022 22:14
|
|
|
ate poo poo on live tv posted:Wow a public wifi-spot? It's over! Those russians have it all now. depends on what else is on the open wifi. sure, starbucks has the process down pretty well, but there are a shocking number of restaurants and coffee shops that throw their pos and back of house systems on a network bridged with that open wifi.
|
|
#
?
Aug 9, 2022 22:16
|
|
|
hey if any secfuck posters want a free ticket to defcon pm me, i was going to go but all things considered it's a bad idea for me at the moment. first message that hits my pms gets it. i'll need a name and an email to transfer it; the only request i have is that you mail me the badge and booklet after the con.
|
|
#
?
Aug 9, 2022 22:16
|
|
|
Beeftweeter posted:even if it had encryption its trivial to break wps usually Yup.
|
|
#
?
Aug 9, 2022 22:25
|
|
|
nudgenudgetilt posted:depends on what else is on the open wifi. Sure. But if your PoS and other systems are on the same network as your public Wifi, that is the actual Secfuck, not that you have an SSID name "free public wifi" that isn't passworded. And even if you did have a PoS system connected to your "free public wifi" network, clicking the "wireless client isolation" button is almost as good as segregated them by vlan.
|
|
#
?
Aug 9, 2022 22:27
|
|
|
Cybernetic Vermin posted:this is the kind of thinking that'll land you maintaining a huge erlang/otp codebase, and no one wants that I’d do it if there was enough money in it
|
|
#
?
Aug 9, 2022 23:03
|
|
|
ate poo poo on live tv posted:Sure. But if your PoS and other systems are on the same network as your public Wifi, that is the actual Secfuck, not that you have an SSID name "free public wifi" that isn't passworded. I mean, from TFA: quote:Our inspections found weak and open Wi-Fi networks, wireless printers without passwords, servers with outdated and vulnerable software, and unencrypted login pages to back-end databases containing sensitive information. the wireless printer I can mostly shrug off -- who can't see one of those drat things open and broadcasting constantly. the rest implied to me that the visibility into outdated and vulnerable software at least partially came from the weak and open wireless networks. it's worth remembering the hospitality industry is in a constant state of secfuck
|
|
#
?
Aug 9, 2022 23:10
|
|
|
nudgenudgetilt posted:I mean, from TFA: this reflexively made me check for wifi direct aps (lol) and wtf is this:  since its passworded why is it a "public" network? where does that determination come from?
|
|
#
?
Aug 10, 2022 00:03
|
|
|
5ghz tiddy is clearly winning
|
|
#
?
Aug 10, 2022 00:07
|
|
|
Beeftweeter posted:this reflexively made me check for wifi direct aps (lol) and wtf is this: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202831 quote:Public networks are designed for general access in public places like a hotel, airport, or coffee shop. Some other examples include Hotspot 2.0, Passpoint, EAP-SIM, or Wi-Fi connections that are provided by cellular carriers and network access providers.
|
|
#
?
Aug 10, 2022 00:48
|
|
|
Beeftweeter posted:this reflexively made me check for wifi direct aps (lol) and wtf is this: I believe Tim Apple has determined that WPA2 is not secure enough unless it's not just AES, but also the router complies with some standard or other which is only usually included in newer firmwares. https://www.tp-link.com/us/support/faq/2943/
|
|
#
?
Aug 10, 2022 01:01
|
|
|
dpkg chopra posted:I believe Tim Apple has determined that WPA2 is not secure enough unless it's not just AES, but also the router complies with some standard or other which is only usually included in newer firmwares. i believe you fell for a joke about the yossec thread, missed the point entirely and kept going
|
|
#
?
Aug 10, 2022 01:09
|
|
|
oh no
|
|
#
?
Aug 10, 2022 01:11
|
|
|
so i did a little digging and it doesnt seem to be any of these unless t-mobile pushed it over EAP-SIM but that doesn't seem to be it either because it doesn't show up on beefwife's ipad (its the "airpad") if anything its security is worse than usual, TKIP+AES
|
|
#
?
Aug 10, 2022 01:28
|
|
|
Beeftweeter posted:i believe you fell for a joke about the yossec thread, missed the point entirely and kept going so my posts aren't at risk? 
|
|
#
?
Aug 10, 2022 02:20
|
|
|
BaldDwarfOnPCP posted:so my posts aren't at risk? well, im willing to roll the dice
|
|
#
?
Aug 10, 2022 02:59
|
|
|
Shame Boy posted:why would i ever want to call someone in another country with their weird other country words though that reminded me that my dad misdialed to korea trying to order ladybugs for the garden when i was a kid  admittedly, he realized he had the wrong business, but it wasn't until we got that bill that he realized he had the wrong hemisphere
|
|
#
?
Aug 10, 2022 05:01
|
|
|
Accidentally hit the + key before dialling I guess?
|
|
#
?
Aug 10, 2022 05:16
|
|
|
spankmeister posted:electricity was cheap but you'd better make yourself scarce when your parents got that first phone bill after you discovered how to dial out to different places even if the number was in the same area code, there was still the concept of local-toll-calls if the number was out of your immediate calling area. the phone book had a section that showed what numbers you could call for free based on your exchange. it's kind of mind boggling that traditional landline service, which can cost up to $70 for no-frills service after all of the taxes and fees, still has the concept of long distance charges. i think at this point it's just a scam to rip off the elderly and ignorant that old jason scott bbs documentary series had an interview with a phone company employee who talked about what a headache modem users were to ma bell, because they had these nice formulas for calculating capacity (x customers in an area who make an average of y calls per day lasting approximately z minutes) that worked for years, but with the rise of modem users there were suddenly a contingent of residential customers staying on for hours at a time tying up both local and long distance capacity beyond what was planned for. between that and some other factors, i gather that the phone company in general just really didn't like the existence of modems The_Franz fucked around with this message at 05:26 on Aug 10, 2022 |
|
#
?
Aug 10, 2022 05:23
|
|
|
Jabor posted:Accidentally hit the + key before dialling I guess? the what
|
|
#
?
Aug 10, 2022 05:48
|
|
|
Shame Boy posted:the what Taking the risk this is a joke post and I'm wasting my time explaining this... To dial internationally, you need to dial three parts of a phone number. - A special code to tell your operator you want to do an international call. - The country code. - The person's phone number in that country. For instance, a typical Dutch number could be 0123456789. To call this number from Belgium, I'd dial 00-31-123456789. 00 is to tell the Belgian operator I want to start an international call, 31 is the country code for the Netherlands, and the rest is the person's number (with the 0 removed because the 0 means to call to another area within NL). But to call this number from the USA, I'd have to dial 011-31-123456789. It's the same except the "dial internationally" operator code from the USA is 011. It seems most countries settled on using 00 for this but a handful didn't. So modern phones do some trickery where you can use a + instead of typing the full operator code and it will figure out where you're dialing from and insert the right code. On a smartphone you can usually dial the + by holding the 0 button for a bit. It's also why you'll see international phone numbers listed as +31-123456789. This will work for anyone in the world, 0031- would not. Carbon dioxide fucked around with this message at 07:10 on Aug 10, 2022 |
|
#
?
Aug 10, 2022 07:01
|
|
|
All right, all right you sold me! So what do you call this new act, exactly?
|
|
#
?
Aug 10, 2022 07:18
|
|
|
Shame Boy posted:the what neophyte found. Stay in your local exchange kid, the phreakers are on the move.
|
|
#
?
Aug 10, 2022 07:21
|
|
|
Carbon dioxide posted:Taking the risk this is a joke post and I'm wasting my time explaining this... this was neat, ty 
|
|
#
?
Aug 10, 2022 07:25
|
|
|
Carbon dioxide posted:Taking the risk this is a joke post and I'm wasting my time explaining this... it's not a joke it's just i've never seen a + on a phone and whenever i dial internationally i always have to look up all this stuff you posted to do it
|
|
#
?
Aug 10, 2022 14:04
|
|
|
incidentally my country code is 386 because we're stuck in the 80s
|
|
#
?
Aug 10, 2022 14:20
|
|
|
Shame Boy posted:it's not a joke it's just i've never seen a + on a phone and whenever i dial internationally i always have to look up all this stuff you posted to do it It has never been a dedicated key, most mobile phones i remember having it on the keyboard (i'm talking ye old t9 era) used a long press of the 0 key to type it.
|
|
#
?
Aug 10, 2022 15:01
|
|
|
|
| # ? Apr 25, 2024 05:11 |
|
|
Shame Boy posted:it's not a joke it's just i've never seen a + on a phone and whenever i dial internationally i always have to look up all this stuff you posted to do it every number on my phone shows up as something like +1 (555) 976-8008, with the +1 meaning that it's originating from the us. it always shows the country code, no matter what the + is an alternate on the 0 key
|
|
#
?
Aug 10, 2022 15:04
|
|