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echinopsis posted:one of my favourite piles of garbage 
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install powertoys
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Cold on a Cob posted:do the shortcuts and dragging to corners/left edge/right edge not still work? everything that used to work still works (in this narrow area) afaik
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Sep 29, 2022 14:08
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:everything that used to work still works (in this narrow area) afaik cool Silver Alicorn posted:install powertoys hell yeah
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Sep 29, 2022 14:24
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Silver Alicorn posted:install powertoys 
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Sep 29, 2022 14:33
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Just ordered some powertoys online
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Sep 29, 2022 19:49
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Mr. Nice! posted:i use aero snap on win10 all the time. it seems like the new version adds an extra step for no reason. same, microsoft loves to destroy years of established productivity related muscle memory for no reason
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Sep 30, 2022 05:41
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I don’t get what’s going on in that picture all I know about windows 11 is that it’s now less obvious what programs are open but minimised
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Sep 30, 2022 08:07
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echinopsis posted:all I know about windows 11 is that it’s now less obvious what programs are open but minimised huh? I'm looking at my Windows 10 right now and I can't see any difference between programs that are open with a window, open maximised, and open minimised.
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Sep 30, 2022 10:01
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my boi, look what they've done to my boi! they've massacred him! i really can't fathom why they did that to task manager. it's functionally identical so going to town on the layout just feels like a listless UI person mucking around looking for something to do oh whoops their branch got merged
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Sep 30, 2022 12:32
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~Coxy posted:huh? hmm maybe it's just the theme of the windows 11 pc we have at work. anyways
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Sep 30, 2022 13:17
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Wiggly Wayne DDS posted:they did 'fix' that tiny issue oddly: it’s extremely infuriating to need two actions (one to hover over the grouped icons, one to select which window) when switching windows instead of one I have literally 30” of blank taskbar space they could use.
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Sep 30, 2022 13:25
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UI people think everything is a phone now. windows 12 will have all the UI hidden off the edges of the screen and only accessible by swiping
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Sep 30, 2022 13:45
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Sweevo posted:UI people think everything is a phone now.
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Sep 30, 2022 13:48
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shake your monitor to switch to another desktop
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Cortana politely notifies me that physically shaking with rage is not a supported full-body gesture.
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Sep 30, 2022 17:17
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Pile Of Garbage posted:Cortana politely notifies me that physically shaking with rage is not a supported full-body gesture. *repeatedly showing middle fingers at the display open several f1 help menus*
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Sep 30, 2022 17:22
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lol wat https://twitter.com/foone/status/1576241763924475904 https://twitter.com/foone/status/1576242289688862720 https://twitter.com/foone/status/1576247078988447744
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Oct 2, 2022 01:20
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that's not too surprising. legacy notepad was a resizable run dialog control
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Oct 2, 2022 02:24
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yeah we used to have programs that fit into megabytes, even kilobytes of memory and were very responsive even on the anemic hardware of the day. then the electron clan invaded to be fair c++ is haaaard, guys. what am i, a programmer or something?i don't want to think about any of that pointer ownership stuff
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Oct 2, 2022 02:52
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CACHE MANIFEST posted:that's not too surprising. legacy notepad was a resizable run dialog control yeah, i'm not sure why it's surprising here, seems like a text ui drawing pattern taken to a full gui environment if you consider icon fonts for web apps the same idea, it's an interesting footnote that nobody every really stopped doing that
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Oct 2, 2022 03:12
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Sapozhnik posted:yeah we used to have programs that fit into megabytes, even kilobytes of memory and were very responsive even on the anemic hardware of the day. do you actually think people should be juggling pointers in c++ to make any random little app in 2022? at minimum a huge ongoing security issue. besides which no one should be bigger fans of electron than linux on the desktop fans, just barely saved it from complete irrelevancy
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Oct 2, 2022 16:57
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if only there were some middle ground between bare metal assembly and writing 40mb calculator apps where each button is a webpage displaying an SVG...
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Oct 2, 2022 17:12
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Sweevo posted:if only there were some middle ground between bare metal assembly and writing 40mb calculator apps where each button is a webpage displaying an SVG... *mostly* i don't really want some renewed c++ minimalism garbage. *but* i've also increasingly come around to the only real issue with electron being javascript itself. in that i can't actually imagine a *different* display engine feature-set than just by and large matching browsers. like, would it improve anything to remove svg rendering or whatever? we figuring that'd make people build good applications?
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Sweevo posted:if only there were some middle ground between bare metal assembly and writing 40mb calculator apps where each button is a webpage displaying an SVG...
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Oct 2, 2022 18:51
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Sweevo posted:if only there were some middle ground between bare metal assembly and writing 40mb calculator apps where each button is a webpage displaying an SVG... good thing something like that hasn't existed for 50 years now... as of this year, C is 50 years old The_Franz fucked around with this message at 01:48 on Oct 3, 2022 |
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Oct 2, 2022 19:11
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The_Franz posted:good thing that something like hasn't existed for 50 years now... 50 years of buggy software
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Oct 2, 2022 19:51
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apple platforms still use unmanaged languages for user interface development and they have more money than God. seems to be working out just fine for them even managed languages (including javascript) could be tolerable, it's html and css that are the problem.
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Oct 2, 2022 22:53
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:*but* i've also increasingly come around to the only real issue with electron being javascript itself. in that i can't actually imagine a *different* display engine feature-set than just by and large matching browsers. like, would it improve anything to remove svg rendering or whatever? we figuring that'd make people build good applications? i'm the opposite of this actually: i don't mind that it's javascript, like it or hate it there's an incredible amount of money and talent going into making js interpretation and dom render fast and featureful. i am fine with desktop apps that are made by writing javascript. but things like electron are bad because they're bringing in way way way too much browser. you need a web content renderer and some extra js apis for stuff desktop apps should do, not a piece-by-piece selection of half of chromium plus a whole separate node process. i really hope something like https://tauri.app/ takes off because i think it's the best path forward given where we are today
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Oct 2, 2022 23:18
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Phobeste posted:i'm the opposite of this actually: i don't mind that it's javascript, like it or hate it there's an incredible amount of money and talent going into making js interpretation and dom render fast and featureful. i am fine with desktop apps that are made by writing javascript. but things like electron are bad because they're bringing in way way way too much browser. you need a web content renderer and some extra js apis for stuff desktop apps should do, not a piece-by-piece selection of half of chromium plus a whole separate node process. i really hope something like https://tauri.app/ takes off because i think it's the best path forward given where we are today
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Oct 2, 2022 23:36
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doesn’t electron include an entire instance of chromrium into the app? like it’s own separate version of chrome that can fall out of date and stuff
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Oct 2, 2022 23:38
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It's definitely better in terms of patching security vulnerabilities*, executable size, and stuff, I just find it weird that people are like "oh my god it's horrible that gui programs are a webrowser now but if it was just a web page in a webview control it would be fine" *: Well in the engine at least, it presumably won't stop apps from accidentally including external pages incorrectly so they get access to stuff they shouldn't mystes fucked around with this message at 23:44 on Oct 2, 2022 |
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Oct 2, 2022 23:41
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Sapozhnik posted:apple platforms still use unmanaged languages for user interface development and they have more money than God. seems to be working out just fine for them any day now swiftui will be production ready
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Sapozhnik posted:apple platforms still use unmanaged languages for user interface development and they have more money than God. seems to be working out just fine for them javascript is far and away the w orst part of the web. its not even close. html is only bad in that it is not strictly XML and css is bad in that netscape/mozilla people were allowed to have a hand in its creation. javascript is irredeemable
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mystes posted:I don't really think webviews are that different from using electron electron is one big webview. like thats not a joke. thats litterrally what it is and what it is intended to be
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Phobeste posted:i'm the opposite of this actually: i don't mind that it's javascript, like it or hate it there's an incredible amount of money and talent going into making js interpretation and dom render fast and featureful. i am fine with desktop apps that are made by writing javascript. but things like electron are bad because they're bringing in way way way too much browser. you need a web content renderer and some extra js apis for stuff desktop apps should do, not a piece-by-piece selection of half of chromium plus a whole separate node process. i really hope something like https://tauri.app/ takes off because i think it's the best path forward given where we are today if javascript werent a piece of poo poo nobody would need to spend money and talent on making it work.
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mystes posted:I don't really think webviews are that different from using electron yeah, electron may not be the *way* to do it long-term. mostly i've come around to browsers being about as good a rich rendering/layout engine as you can possibly get in 2022, and avoiding them you'll mostly start reinventing a lot of you do except eventually worse and slower. worse, i've come around on the central ui conventions on the web actually being pretty good. e.g. convention of a vertically scrolling rich text-like document with a handful of flavors of interactable elements. good ones sometimes feel more like an evolution of terminal apps than classic rich ui apps; just let that a lot of text scroll so it is all there. away from electron the lol-microsoft content is just how many ways of building and shipping such apps they now own. they're moving their stuff onto "edge webview2 evergreen", which is a single stable-channel edge version installed on system level with electron trappings. ultimately the underpinnings shouldn't be much heavier than opening another tab, but of course (javascript being the main problem i see) the applications themselves tend to be absolute pigs.
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this is btw why if you're on windows 11 you likely have two incompatible versions of teams installed. one is the one you use and the other is the non-electron one.
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if Electron Hellworld is something that we simply must have then at least standardize it and make it part of the operating system. Make a WebPackage and WebFFI standard or some poo poo so I don't have ten different 300MB copies of Chrome kicking around. It won't happen though because an operating system-level Chrome means operating system-level adblockers and we can't have that now can we
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excellent idea, should do it on ios first of course to save some space on phone platforms, but then microsoft should get on it as the electron owners. they could call it something like '"edge webview2 evergreen".
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