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Grandpa Palpatine posted:He made one??? Yeah, they shot it but cut it. There are a fair amount of behind-the-scenes photos from it though. The Emporer wasn't in it, why would he be?
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Bugblatter posted:Yeah, they shot it but cut it. There are a fair amount of behind-the-scenes photos from it though. The emperor was there in the miniseries version I'm almost certain. I know he's not in the book until the end.
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Grandpa Palpatine posted:The emperor was there in the miniseries version I'm almost certain. I know he's not in the book until the end. He was never present in any iteration of the story. Irulan was added to the miniseries version and more or less completely shifts the entire focus of the sequence. In the book it's largely about navigating local Arrakeen politics and discerning spies.
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Bugblatter posted:He was never present in any iteration of the story. Irulan was added to the miniseries version and more or less completely shifts the entire focus of the sequence. In the book it's largely about navigating local Arrakeen politics and discerning spies. ok he's definitely at the beginning of the Lynch version.
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Grandpa Palpatine posted:ok he's definitely at the beginning of the Lynch version. Yeah, I'm just talking about the banquet.
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I remember watching Part One and realizing that the audience has no idea that the bull head on the wall is the one that killed Leto's father. I'm wondering if they explain it in that scene like it does in the book.
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So when is Villeneuve gonna have Paul get one of those voice guns?
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Baron von Eevl posted:So when is Villeneuve gonna have Paul get one of those voice guns? Just as soon as the Weirding Way is ever mentioned.
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Bugblatter posted:His insistence on one single finished cut is something I admire about him. It would be nice if his banquet scene leaked some day, though. No it actually sucks and I want the six hour Momoa cut of Part 1. 
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Yeah it's dumb. I can appreciate it when a director is like "this is my preferred cut of the film" but I still wanna see the extra poo poo so just...let me?
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It'll be on a collectors special edition bluray/uhd in like 5 years
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Grandpa Palpatine posted:I remember watching Part One and realizing that the audience has no idea that the bull head on the wall is the one that killed Leto's father. I'm wondering if they explain it in that scene like it does in the book. They talk about it during the cemetery scene.
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jeeves posted:Just as soon as the Weirding Way is ever mentioned. Javier Bardem mentions it toward the end when Jessica starts karate-ing his dudes.
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Oct 12, 2022 23:09
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I do wonder how they're going to represent the weirding way visually as it becomes more important. In Dunc 1 it's just Jessica sneaking up on a guy. They need to be able to say "hey this is the weirding way, here's how you do it, fremen." I hope they just make it gunkata.
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Oct 12, 2022 23:38
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As muchg as I enjoyed the first one, I do hope they switch fight choreographer/stunt coordinators for number 2, or at least listen to them a little more. None of the fights are bad, but also, none of them are really good. Which is kind of a shame when everything else is so very top notch.
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Aside from the power rangers vision, the fights are all great?
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I really like all the fights tbqh. I don't know why people say that
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kalel posted:I really like all the fights tbqh. I don't know why people say that Because, on a contiuum from Christopher Nolan (who is unwilling or incapable of stylising his action sequences) to Zack Snyder (Who sometimes stylises everything about his action sequences) I'd prefer Dune's scenes to be a little closer to Snyder's end than Nolan's. Again, I didn't dislike them or think they were bad. But I also didn't think they were particularly good. They worked perfectly well and clearly communicated each fight's story and significance. I'd just like them to be a bit more memorable in their own right.
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Nah, hard disagree. The existing choreography has a realistic and brutal style and the more documentary coverage suits it. A more stylized Hollywood approach would be totally inappropriate. It’s part of what makes the power ranger scene so jarring.
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Yeah I don’t know, the “do you yield????” moment was awesome. Also Chani handing him the crysknife was extremely well done
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The fights were great. I have no idea what people want, but hopefully they don't have any sway with the production lol
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Dr. Stab posted:I do wonder how they're going to represent the weirding way visually as it becomes more important. In Dunc 1 it's just Jessica sneaking up on a guy. They need to be able to say "hey this is the weirding way, here's how you do it, fremen." I always thought that was just the fremen term for anything particularly unfamiliar. The Shadout Mapes also describes that greenhouse Jessica finds in the book as a "weirding room". What puzzles me slightly is that the fremen reverend mothers must have genetic memory of all kinds of martial arts training, so the bene gesserit school of kung fu must be a step more advanced than that. The move Jessica does on Stilgar is described in the book more as an effective feint followed by some regular martial arts. She pretends to be a fainting, weak off-worlder for a second and then owns him. Jamis also describes what Paul does as "weirding", and that was some even more basic poo poo: "Paul took the man beneath the sternum with a straight-hand jab, sidestepped and chopped the base of his neck, relieving him of the weapon as he fell" It seems like the Fremen just aren't that skilled in hand-to-hand combat, but make up for it in tenacity and ~desert power~. Any kind of training makes them loving unstoppable.
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I always took the whole weirding way to be just an extension of the Bene Gesserit absolute body control thing. So not so much particular moves or tricks as just extremely precise motions and maybe getting more strength out of your body than your average person could. Plus the ability to read your opponent very closely since the voice requires that as well. Which, admittedly, would be very hard to convey visually, outside of perhaps an expository training montage. But then again in book Dune the ability to fight well was pretty much always connected to some innate quality/"purity" than any actual practical factors like training or equipment. Atreides fight better than Harkonnen because the Harkonnen are all hosed up hedonists. Sardaukar fight better than Atreides because they're just that much harder due to living on a deadly prison world. And Fremen fight better than Sardaukar because they're yet harder still from living on an even more hostile desert planet. In that context, the weirding way is really just another way of distilling this innate quality further.
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Perestroika posted:But then again in book Dune the ability to fight well was pretty much always connected to some innate quality/"purity" than any actual practical factors like training or equipment. Atreides fight better than Harkonnen because the Harkonnen are all hosed up hedonists. Sardaukar fight better than Atreides because they're just that much harder due to living on a deadly prison world. And Fremen fight better than Sardaukar because they're yet harder still from living on an even more hostile desert planet. In that context, the weirding way is really just another way of distilling this innate quality further. Is it "purity," or is it just Jared Diamond-esque environmental determinism? I.e., Giedi Prime < Caladan < Salusa Secundus < Arrakis
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banned from Starbucks posted:Yeah it's dumb. I can appreciate it when a director is like "this is my preferred cut of the film" but I still wanna see the extra poo poo so just...let me? Who do you want to make the cut? Do you just want every movie to have a release including everything that was filmed?
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DeimosRising posted:Who do you want to make the cut? Do you just want every movie to have a release including everything that was filmed? No, but a Denis Villeneuve movie and Dune specifically? Yes gimme it all
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Cessna posted:Is it "purity," or is it just Jared Diamond-esque environmental determinism? To which Frank Herbert responds with porque_no_los_dos.gif cause that's one of the really gross themes of the books.
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Dr. Stab posted:I do wonder how they're going to represent the weirding way visually as it becomes more important. In Dunc 1 it's just Jessica sneaking up on a guy. They need to be able to say "hey this is the weirding way, here's how you do it, fremen." Dune is so foundational to modern sci-fi and fantasy that its concepts are ingrained into our culture, so it's funny how much of Dune we take for granted because everything else is also doing Dune stuff.
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DeimosRising posted:Who do you want to make the cut? Do you just want every movie to have a release including everything that was filmed? If they're that opposed to making a new longer cut I'd honestly be happy with just watching the deleted scenes as a extra feature like they did back when dvds came out.
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MacheteZombie posted:No, but a Denis Villeneuve movie and Dune specifically? Yes gimme it all Hey I was being sardonic but now that I think about I want every second of footage for like…Microwave Massacre
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Xiahou Dun posted:To which Frank Herbert responds with porque_no_los_dos.gif cause that's one of the really gross themes of the books. Oh, absolutely. I am NOT a fan of that sort of thing.
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Sodomy Hussein posted:Dune is so foundational to modern sci-fi and fantasy that its concepts are ingrained into our culture, so it's funny how much of Dune we take for granted because everything else is also doing Dune stuff. Yep. I first read Dune in my late teens after the usual childhood as a Star Wars fan. The experience was basically turn to the next page, "holy crap Star Wars stole this too", repeat about 800 times. Now the sequels, those are hallucinogenic enough that pop culture hasn't really managed to copy much.
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In actual production news, the Dune HBO series casting is underway. Emily Watson (Scientist from Chernobyl) and Shirley Henderson (who is most famous for being the ghost that creeps on Harry Potter in the bathroom) will both be Harkonnens. Indira Varma (mom of the sand snakes in GoT) is Empress Natalya, the wife of Emperor Corrino. The show takes place about 10,000 years before the movie, when the spacing guild and Bene Gesserit are just getting set up. It's been a while since I read Herbert's timeline of in-universe history and I never touched Brian Herbert's stuff, so I don't recall much of what happened in that period. I guess the two Harkonnen leads come from Brian Herbert's Sisterhood of Dune novel, if anyone knows what that plot consists of. The first two episodes are being directed by the guy who directed every episode of Chernobyl, which is a nice sign.
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My take on the sisterhood show is that Brian Herbert's work is utter poo poo that is best not acknowledged, but a strong showrunner and cast could turn it into something worth watching.
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Pretty sure the Atreides troops are skilled and dangerous because they're actually disciplined, motivated AND loyal as gently caress because the Duke puts effort into their welfare and making people like him, and attracts some of the best talent from across the galaxy, while the Harkonnens treat everyone like poo poo and their troops are probably poo poo at everything but war crimes. While the Sarduakar are the best of the best from a planet whose only real export is soldiers, and the Fremen have to live an incredibly disciplined, dangerous and violent lifestyle by default. Environmental, maybe, but also material conditions and context at play.
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The Fremen also aren't complete primitives either, they have small scale industry capable of producing shockingly complex technology like the Stillsuits
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