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Yeah, mediocre genre novels tend to make good frameworks for vastly better movies or shows. Brian and KJA being poo poo novelists doesn't really spell its doom. The showrunners biggest credit is The Haunting of Bly Mannor, which I haven't seen.
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I'm also reminded again that there's an episode of The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy which is basically a whole reference specifically to God-Emperor of Dune.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Pretty sure the Atreides troops are skilled and dangerous because they're actually disciplined, motivated AND loyal as gently caress because the Duke puts effort into their welfare and making people like him, and attracts some of the best talent from across the galaxy, while the Harkonnens treat everyone like poo poo and their troops are probably poo poo at everything but war crimes. While the Sarduakar are the best of the best from a planet whose only real export is soldiers, and the Fremen have to live an incredibly disciplined, dangerous and violent lifestyle by default. Environmental, maybe, but also material conditions and context at play. Ah, so the Fremen are Ukrainians and the Harkonnen are Russians, checks out. Don't know what that makes the Sardukar, the war criminals that make up Wagner?
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Aces High posted:Ah, so the Fremen are Ukrainians and the Harkonnen are Russians, checks out. stick to harry potter
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Aces High posted:Ah, so the Fremen are Ukrainians and the Harkonnen are Russians, checks out. You probably accidentally have it about right there because the Harkonnens are literally based on Imperial Russia, the whole premise is loosely based on a war in the Caucasus, especially a book written about it. I forget the details, but the vibe is absolutely that the expendable and poorly trained soldiers of a decadent and cruel superpower running up against hardened warriors with a huge home turf advantage. (Of course, a very familiar theme in the decades since Dune) Sardukar don't necessarily have a direct counterpart, though they might be Janissaries. Or Australians.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:You probably accidentally have it about right there because the Harkonnens are literally based on Imperial Russia, the whole premise is loosely based on a war in the Caucasus, especially a book written about it. I forget the details, but the vibe is absolutely that the expendable and poorly trained soldiers of a decadent and cruel superpower running up against hardened warriors with a huge home turf advantage. (Of course, a very familiar theme in the decades since Dune) Since this is mostly 19th/20th-Century allegory for imperialism, let's just say the Sardukar are the US: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an289RSt1Cc
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Janissaries. Or Australians. lmao your average Australian is at best on a par with your average American in terms of combat ability
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Wafflecopper posted:lmao your average Australian is at best on a par with your average American in terms of combat ability Australians actually used to have a reputation for being incredibly good soldiers, and y'know, prison colony.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Australians actually used to have a reputation for being incredibly good soldiers, and y'know, prison colony. Most of those prisoners got there for petty theft/being poor, it wasn't like your average American prison where everybody is in a gang and there is lots of fighting.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Australians actually used to have a reputation for being incredibly good soldiers, and y'know, prison colony. And then the Emu War happened...
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Captain von Trapp posted:Yep. I first read Dune in my late teens after the usual childhood as a Star Wars fan. The experience was basically turn to the next page, "holy crap Star Wars stole this too", repeat about 800 times. There's also the issue where the basic plot is beat-for-beat Song of Ice and Fire, or 40K stealing every concept that wasn't nailed down.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:used to the prison colony thing hasn't been relevant for a very long time and the vast majority of the population live comfortable city lives just like most people in every other western country Wafflecopper fucked around with this message at 07:25 on Oct 14, 2022 |
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Herbert took ideas from various points of history and, despite being well-read, his impressions weren't necessarily entirely accurate. So an idea of a past Australia could well have been an inspiration point. Obviously, they were never really on par with Saurdukar.Grendels Dad posted:Most of those prisoners got there for petty theft/being poor, it wasn't like your average American prison where everybody is in a gang and there is lots of fighting. Uh, so about the average person in an American prison... Bugblatter fucked around with this message at 07:34 on Oct 14, 2022 |
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Bugblatter posted:Uh, so about the average person in an American prison... I had assumed that was very dry humor.
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Grendels Dad posted:Most of those prisoners got there for petty theft/being poor, it wasn't like your average American prison where everybody is in a gang and there is lots of fighting. While I get you, there's A: no reason to assume that everyone sent to Salsa Secundus actually deserved it, especially for a setting that's basically medieval in culture, and 2: Australia actually did have a full on Wild West period that arguably went on longer and was more violent than America's. And historically, I'm talking World Wars era, and supposedly Vietnam.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Salsa Secundus The Taco Bell of the Corrino Imperium
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Bugblatter posted:Nah, hard disagree. The existing choreography has a realistic and brutal style and the more documentary coverage suits it. A more stylized Hollywood approach would be totally inappropriate. It’s part of what makes the power ranger scene so jarring. I wouldn't call it documentary coverage at all. There's lots of cuts and close ups, just not especially well done. They're functional, but that's about it. I guess I'd just like a clearer sense of style. Villeneuve hasn't directed a whole heap of action before but in, say, Blade Runner, the few action scenes felt more a product of actual vision and ideas as related to the story. Jewmanji posted:Yeah I don’t know, the “do you yield????” moment was awesome. Also Chani handing him the crysknife was extremely well done Agreed that that scene was great. The actors all sell it and the rythmn is brilliantly anti-climatic. It starts out like it's a battle of equals, but Paul is very quickly revealed to be head and shoulders better and his opponent realises it to their horror. The shot choices and cuts are more purposeful. It's great.
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Snowman_McK posted:I wouldn't call it documentary coverage at all. There's lots of cuts and close ups, just not especially well done. They're functional, but that's about it. I guess I'd just like a clearer sense of style. Villeneuve hasn't directed a whole heap of action before but in, say, Blade Runner, the few action scenes felt more a product of actual vision and ideas as related to the story. Cuts and close-ups don't really conflict with something being documentary in style? It has the sense of a few cameras being set up in a room and then sifted through for the best footage. Not in the way an amateur action director works, where a lot of fast cuts make up for lack of coherent direction, but the way a Planet Earth carnivore hunt is cut together. It's a stated intent by Villeneuve and Fraser, to the extreme to where they used CG to add compositional imperfections to shots that they thought looked "too perfect." The very tightly choreographed compositions and cuts of 2049 are gorgeous, but they wouldn't really gel here. I like the tactile nature things are presented in. You get a clear shot of Duncan or Fremen doing impressive jumps or kicks off walls, but it will be in a level wide-shot, not a perfectly framed flashy action movie money shot. You get the sense that this cool thing happened on camera, and we caught it because our static camera was wide enough, not because we set the camera up in this spot because we knew the stuntman would look cool when he did his choreographed action here. The closeups are the kind you get when you have a cameraman dedicated to tracking one subject's face. I don't know if I'm explaining it well enough, but there's a balance between style and naturalism that makes the world feel cool but still real. I hope they don't tip too far toward one side in the sequel, but interviews with Fraser and Villeneuve don't sound like they will. Except for that one loving dream one-shot that breaks all of those rules.
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Bugblatter posted:Except for that one loving dream one-shot that breaks all of those rules. i was about to say lol figuring out how to fix this shot alone is reason enough for a director's cut
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kalel posted:I really like all the fights tbqh. I don't know why people say that The knife fighting was bad.
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As a follow-up to my previous post about in-universe framing devices, Heretics of Dune quite explicitly references the 10000th anniversary of Leto IIs assumption of the throne, which is much further ahead than the end of Chapterhouse. I think it's entirely justified to assume the second Dune trilogy - the first being the first three books, and the second Heretics, Chapterhouse and the unpublished book, with both of them separated by God-Emperor - would've stretched the series well over 20000 years of history. I think it's also likely that the final book would've dealt primarily with the Duncan Idaho and his no-ship full of worm and other folk would've been put up against independent Facedancers from the scattering, and an exploration of the unified Honored Matres (scattered Bene Gesserit without access to other memory because no spice or water of life, and Fish Speakers) after their unification the unscattered Bene Gesserit. Bugblatter posted:In actual production news, the Dune HBO series casting is underway. Emily Watson (Scientist from Chernobyl) and Shirley Henderson (who is most famous for being the ghost that creeps on Harry Potter in the bathroom) will both be Harkonnens. Indira Varma (mom of the sand snakes in GoT) is Empress Natalya, the wife of Emperor Corrino. AnEdgelord posted:The Fremen also aren't complete primitives either, they have small scale industry capable of producing shockingly complex technology like the Stillsuits The appendix of the first book has a section explaining various terminology, and it's mostly full of the highly technical and specific things that Fremen invent and mass-produce for their entire society. BlankSystemDaemon fucked around with this message at 16:21 on Oct 14, 2022 |
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:I feel like this gets glossed over a lot, but the Fremen aren't some kind of noble savages that Paul magically converts into a force capable of fighting and taking on an entire galaxy - they're a people who within two (admittedly long) generations have amassed water at industrial scales on a planet everyone thinks has absolutely none of it, while sustaining a multi-million person society in a very harsh environment, and they're a people who have spent thousands of years fleeing persecution and actual war-crimes that even Harkonnen would say "Hey now.." committed against them. Yeah, the Fremen's whole deal is that absolutely everyone underestimates them, with the Atreides being the only partial exception- Leto I is very aware that they're being moved to Arrakis where they're stripped of almost all their strengths, and their only real hope to secure the planet like they do Caladan is to actually make friends with the locals. Surviving on Arrakis requires not only incredible personal discipline and a terribly pragmatic and careful lifestyle but also use of advanced and specialised technology, and optimum use of their environment. Let alone how they're able to use and even weaponise sandworms.
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Jewmanji posted:Yeah I don’t know, the “do you yield????” moment was awesome. Also Chani handing him the crysknife was extremely well done I absolutely love Zendaya's Chani. Sure, half of her lines are a breathily whispered "Paul...", but her incredibly uninspiring pep-talk to Paul is perfection. "He's a good fighter, he won't let you suffer" sounds like a massive slam, but it's completely earnest. It is an honour for Paul to die holding that knife, and telling him that is a genuine kindness.
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Yea but will Zendaya be ok with the spice orgy scene? Chani in the miniseries handled it (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Grandpa Palpatine posted:Yea but will Zendaya be ok with the spice orgy scene? Are you joking or an idiot.
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Grandpa Palpatine posted:Yea but will Zendaya be ok with the spice orgy scene? can you not be weird about female actresses for, like, 2 seconds
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Au Revoir Shosanna posted:can you not be weird about female actresses for, like, 2 seconds
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So is it gonna be a full year of new posts in this thread being 50/50 a sign of cool sequel news or just palpy being weird?
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Grandpa Palpatine posted:Yea but will Zendaya be ok with the spice orgy scene? What the gently caress is wrong with you
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no matter how many times he is probated, the admins will keep grandpa palpatine around for ??????????? reasons???????
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Same reason the Harkonens have that hosed up spider-being they keep around
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Failed Imagineer posted:Same reason the Harkonens have that hosed up spider-being they keep around that's not a spider that's my wife
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You're married to Bust Rodd?
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what a dumb way to catch a fortnight  Only 13 more months till more DUNC!
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:what a dumb way to catch a fortnight dudes a loving weirdo tbqh
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