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Larry Parrish posted:Way to show your whole rear end. I believe thats what they do on onlyfans, yes. 16-bit Butt-Head posted:but the lack of transparancy and hostility to any questions about where the money is going is a big red flag lol 
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Proposal: A community fund to help goons in need Reality: Someone spends a hundred dollars on reds in a vtuber chat to hear their name
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It's weird how our government has provided a regulated (not brilliantly well, but the regulation exists) system by which people can set up charities that collect money and distribute it according to some kind of charter or ethos, supervised by a small group of people, with public records and requirements for transparency (and tax advantaged status!), and yet taking advantage of this system is never even remotely on the table when someone sets up a "goon" "charity" because
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Leperflesh posted:It's weird how our government has provided a regulated (not brilliantly well, but the regulation exists) system by which people can set up charities that collect money and distribute it according to some kind of charter or ethos, supervised by a small group of people, with public records and requirements for transparency (and tax advantaged status!), and yet taking advantage of this system is never even remotely on the table when someone sets up a "goon" "charity" because I don't know if Patreon keeps track of total funds, but the amount from Goon Fund has to be at least $50k by this point, likely closer to $100k depending on when the donations started pouring in.
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I've never read that thread but is it really true that there's literally no transparency? An Funky See Funky Do fucked around with this message at 02:37 on Oct 15, 2022 |
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Oct 15, 2022 02:34
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This might be a controversial statement, but I don't think these Centralized Goon Charity Fund setups should be allowed on the forums. They inevitably end in tears.
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PM sent.
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The Kins posted:This might be a controversial statement, but I don't think these Centralized Goon Charity Fund setups should be allowed on the forums. They inevitably end in tears.
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Funky See Funky Do posted:I've never read that thread but is it really true that there's literally no transparency? An Yes, it was part of the OP about the entire purpose of the fund Plinkey posted:Here's the deal, there's a lot of our cspam fellow posters that sometimes can't make ends meet and they end up needing maybe $30 or $40 to get through the week/end of month to buy some food, or some paper to whipe their rear end. Fund has been running for almost 3 years at this point. Again, 0 transparency but Plinkey posted:So yes, it's a new month, but it was running short last month, and 250 or 500 bucks as a time is not what this fund was designed for. I'm sorry, that's not sustainable, its for like 50-100 bucks for food and stuff to feed yourself or your family. Plinkey posted:i think i got you So what the gently caress is this? Aerofallosov posted:Thank you. May I request the usual monthly? And have fun with the video patreon. Plinkey posted:like i told you before, yes, but the amount you've asked for is like over a grand And uh....what? smarxist posted:i know first hand Plinkey takes a pretty decent hit to his own income to run the GoonFund, turning it into a charity apparently would have cost more in the long term, so everything that comes in hits his own personal taxes, also he goes into the red pretty much every month and covers people Sorry, what the gently caress? What even is going on? At this point there needs to be a mod intervention for Plinkey if he's taking in $30-40k a year in donations and having to pay taxes on it out of pocket. How in the hell would setting up an actual charity be more expensive then the current situation? pentyne fucked around with this message at 02:47 on Oct 15, 2022 |
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edit: ^^^ That's loving insane. Goons are dumb as hellFunky See Funky Do posted:I've never read that thread but is it really true that there's literally no transparency? An Let me check Charity Navigator... Oh wait it's just some anonymous person on the internet goons are giving money to.
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Oct 15, 2022 02:42
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Lmao that patreon brings in more per month than I do at work
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Funky See Funky Do posted:I've never read that thread but is it really true that there's literally no transparency? An The single person running the Patreon decides if the person asking for money is sus or not. I assume most people don't ask for a ton of money, but it all seems stressful and draining. The Patreon host snapping at any mild questions about the money doesn't help, and people pushing back at any concern or negativity because one person was "brave enough" to shoulder that burden is a bit off for "communal funds." The guy doesn't seem inclined to run off with the money, but it's an awkward gray area of operation, imo.
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quote:To file with the IRS to be tax-exempt, you must file the 1023 form, which costs either $275 or $600 depending on which form you use. This means that filing costs in total will cost at least $350 - $675. This process will vary depending on your state and type of nonprofit. What am I missing? Someone explain to me how for three years Plinkey has been reporting 10s of thousands of dollars as revenue, paying the taxes on it, and giving it out to goons is somehow cheaper then the above.
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pentyne posted:What am I missing? Someone explain to me how for three years Plinkey has been reporting 10s of thousands of dollars as revenue, paying the taxes on it, and giving it out to goons is somehow cheaper then the above. Somehow I don't think "I collect money and give it to random people that send me a private message on these forums I post on" will cut it as a tax exempt charity organization. And is more likely to get the OP investigated for money laundering.
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pentyne posted:What am I missing? Someone explain to me how for three years Plinkey has been reporting 10s of thousands of dollars as revenue, paying the taxes on it, and giving it out to goons is somehow cheaper then the above. lol I call bullshit on the idea that he is claiming that as income and paying taxes not out of the fund. goons are so loving stupid
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pentyne posted:What am I missing? Someone explain to me how for three years Plinkey has been reporting 10s of thousands of dollars as revenue, paying the taxes on it, and giving it out to goons is somehow cheaper then the above. Yeah there is like zero chance he's paying the taxes himself and anyone who sincerely believes he is must be a loving incredible rube
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Oct 15, 2022 03:01
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god drat i want some money so bad
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I got the tude now posted:god drat i want some money so bad Somebody is getting a grand a month. Naturally they would be willing to share some of that with you, if you need it. edit: makes you wonder how many recipients are Koala's March alts
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i would buy a playstation 5 and all the games for it if i was given that much money
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I got the tude now posted:god drat i want some money so bad Get a job
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years of meditation have freed my mind of want for money and now i merely need money
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Someone is getting a g note each month, thats almost a third of the entire fund. Goons are donating to a community fund where a single person gets nearly a third of it to themselves.
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Leal posted:Someone is getting a g note each month, thats almost a third of the entire fund. Goons are donating to a community fund where a single person gets nearly a third of it to themselves. they own a lot of hungry cats
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I got the tude now posted:god drat i want some money so bad Send a PM then, you lazy so and so.
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It's a cool idea and the thread sounds like it has genuinely, seriously helped a lot of Goons out of tight spots. That's legitimately awesome! All the other stuff, however, is enough to say 'uh oh how's this going to end'
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:they own a lot of hungry cats It is apparently $1,000 a month for FOOD for one person. And the Goonfund is also a monthly Patron to another Patreon for a video game streamer than the OP will not explain and he swears is not him. ulmont posted:Plinkey, I’m trusting your judgment here, but why did I just get a notice that goon fund is a patron of a video game streamer (aclee)? Plinkey posted:shut the gently caress up, im not acllee I also just noticed one specific poster defending Plinkey for a recurring donation he set up to go to his own bank account that he "promises he will pay back each month" and not telling people what it was for: 50s girl groupon posted:I know we’re basically past the whole oooOoodrama anyways but like do some of y’all really think when the goon fund gets depleted every month and some poor bastard is like can I have $10 for ramen that Plinks is out here like ohohoho peasant that is my streamer money! And not like opening his own drat wallet to feed a goon?
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Someone should send me $400 because I can't find the cash I took out the other day. Which is probably in the last pair of pants I wore, but, you know. Give me some money thanks.
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I’m p sure the one dude is not getting a grand a month, I think he asked for over a grand over time in smaller chunks.
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Dewgy posted:I’m p sure the one dude is not getting a grand a month, I think he asked for over a grand over time in smaller chunks. weirdly, none of us can really know by the deliberate nature of how the money is being managed
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DaysBefore posted:It's a cool idea and the thread sounds like it has genuinely, seriously helped a lot of Goons out of tight spots. That's legitimately awesome! All the other stuff, however, is enough to say 'uh oh how's this going to end' I instinctively distrust anything smarxist says good things about. Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:I also just noticed one specific poster defending Plinkey for a recurring donation he set up to go to his own bank account that he "promises he will pay back each month" and not telling people what it was for: Oh poo poo, saga crossover!
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i found this website about possible legal structures to explore in setting up your mutual aid fund: https://www.theselc.org/mutual_aid_toolkit one of the things it says isquote:At which point will incorporating be worth it for the organization? lol
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pentyne posted:weirdly, none of us can really know by the deliberate nature of how the money is being managed might as well make wild unsubstantiated claims.
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This person also got shouted down in the thread for this entirely reasonable post:Tyson Tomko posted:To put it bluntly, stealing from goons is a tale as old as time. Being careful and cautious about a purposely obscured $4k/month fund to a single dude is simply smart. The whole "don't donate if you don't trust it" is a true and wise statement but don't get me wrong I'm not choosing any side here but no need to be disappointed in anyone. I believe Plinkey has done some very helpful stuff to plenty of goons sure but nobody knows the truth but him and them, and it's all good. And someone suggested allowing someone else to help screen the requests and the OP weirdly says he has way too much screening to do, but also nobody can help screen the requests: my cat is norris posted:Plinkey, is there any way for someone other than yourself to help out? Could someone volunteer to screen the inbox for scams? Plinkey posted:there are two people i would trust enough To be fair, it does look like most of the $10 and $20 requests are being fulfilled.
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is plinkey actually tricking anyone into donating under the pretense that there is transparency? the op seems pretty explicit about just how much transparency there is (0%) and how much (100%) is just based on trusting that plinkey wont koalas march away despite the long history of that kind of thing happening. if people see that and donate anyway and it appears to be helping some goons (and their cats) who may or may not be eating like kings maybe just leave it be until it actually does blow up. it'll be a lot funnier by that point anyway. if you think this might be a good goon scam saga you're doing yourself a disservice trying to kill it before it really begins.
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Cuttlefush posted:is plinkey actually tricking anyone into donating under the pretense that there is transparency? the op seems pretty explicit about just how much transparency there is (0%) and how much (100%) is just based on trusting that plinkey wont koalas march away despite the long history of that kind of thing happening. if people see that and donate anyway and it appears to be helping some goons (and their cats) who may or may not be eating like kings maybe just leave it be until it actually does blow up. it'll be a lot funnier by that point anyway. if you think this might be a good goon scam saga you're doing yourself a disservice trying to kill it before it really begins. You're right that pretty much everyone is aware that they are signing up for something with 0 transparency. But, still pretty weird. And a billion red flags. Why is he allegedly paying thousands of dollars in taxes out of his own pocket instead of just filing to be a real charity for $225? I guess it is better to be up front about the lack of transparency and promises to pay back what they take out of the fund than to do it under false pretenses. Not great, but better. 
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DaysBefore posted:It's a cool idea and the thread sounds like it has genuinely, seriously helped a lot of Goons out of tight spots. That's legitimately awesome! All the other stuff, however, is enough to say 'uh oh how's this going to end' That's the thing. Say, only half of it is spent on helping goons, and the rest is pocketed. That would be just enough to have a steady stream of goons thanking you with no transparency at all how much they actually got from you. How is anyone to know? I also don't understand what the deal is with total lack of any transparency being a feature. Sure, some people would probably prefer to remain anonymous, that's fair, but can't you at least post a list once in a while detailing who requested help, who got the money, and for what? How is this not the absolute minimum everyone participating would expect? I'm a fairly trusting person, often to a fault, and it usually takes me some effort not to immediately come up with a dozen of reasonable explanations of why something shady is actually completely above board, but this is just ridiculous. Even if the person in charge has the best intentions, we are all people, and for the sake of their own personal wellbeing at the very least, there needs to be some accountability in place.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:You're right that pretty much everyone is aware that they are signing up for something with 0 transparency. But, still pretty weird. idk have you tried asking the guy?
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