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Deadstream cleaned the palate of that stupid thing Very evil dead, throughly loved it
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Nov 6, 2022 09:40
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CelticPredator posted:Deadstream cleaned the palate of that stupid thing You're not meant to want the Deadites to win, though.
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Nov 6, 2022 11:01
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At the very least Martin Star’s character seems comfortable in a rut. He’s content to come home every day and eat a microwaved meal and watch tv. She’s not. That’s the crux of their conflict. She’s unhappy and wants to change and as much as he seems to sincerely love her and is concerned he’s not actually hearing her or offering a solution to the core problem. And I dunno if the opening scene should be taken as a sign she’s a burden or mentally unwell or anything. I mean obviously she’s got issues and it probably speaks to her general discontent. But it also probably speaks to him not really hearing and just placating her. Maybe she DID hear something. Sometimes you do. This is a horror movie. I just watched the Brea Grant written Lucky and it kind of does something similar of showing how generally well meaning and caring men or women basically react to violence against women with platitudes and talk of “brave” and “lucky” but don’t actually do anything to help or address the core problem. So I think I’m a little more in tune with what the Outside was saying now than when I watched it. I might go back and rewatch it and watch the b&w Graveyard Rats.
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Nov 6, 2022 11:51
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Jedit posted:You're not meant to want the Deadites to win, though. That guy played a real convincing shithead but not so much I wasn't rooting for him at least a little. It's a fine line to walk and I think the movie really nailed it.
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Nov 6, 2022 11:53
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I was NOT rooting for that guy even a tiny bit. I hated that guy.
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Nov 6, 2022 12:02
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I was rooting for the movie.
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Nov 6, 2022 12:49
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alf_pogs posted:I feel like he was written to be quite a bad communicator and listener - his reassurances that she is beautiful feel much more like appeasement rather than genuine consideration of her crisis. she is secondary to his goal of maintaining the status quo; his ultimate contribution is to essentially keep telling her "this problem isn't real". Which would come off a lot better if she weren't established as a character who frequently jumps at shadows, fundamentally doesn't understand the women she craves the admiration of, and who spends the short actively harming herself and hallucinating while trying to convince her husband that everything's okay and getting angry any time he suggests that this might not be the solution to her problems and she might want to see a doctor. I didn't read him as neglectful or trying to maintain the status quo for his own sake as much as I read him trying to keep a calm demeanor around someone for whom he frequently has to act as an anchor. He's clearly happier in the life they're living than she is and that's a problem, but her issues aren't really something he's capable of "solving" and although she's right that the magical goop gives her what she wants (by hollowing her out emotionally and changing her body), that's the emotional support equivalent of "the characters check out the strange sound in the woods because they don't know they're in a monster movie." It feels like the story wants her to be "everyday average woman who wants more out of life and herself" but also wants her to be notably, meaningfully unhinged from the get-go so her odd behavior and obsession is easier to write off or attribute to something else until it's too late, and I don't think it manages to reconcile the two. Martin Starr's demeanor is awful for dealing with someone going through a severe self-image crisis, but it makes a lot more sense for dealing with someone who calls the police any time the house creaks. CelticPredator posted:I was rooting for the movie. 
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Nov 6, 2022 13:06
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I think the TV in the outside fit because have you ever been to a small town in the Midwest? Sometimes it just kinda looks like that. I have a friend from coal country PA and his dad lives in a small ranch house on a rural route, like you had to draw your location on a map when registering to vote because you don't have a number address, poo poo like that. Lovely guy, house straight out of 1992 though except for poo poo like the TV.
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Nov 6, 2022 15:04
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Jedit posted:You're not meant to want the Deadites to win, though. Says who?
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Nov 6, 2022 15:16
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Seriously, are there two movies named Deadstream and I just watched the wrong one?
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Nov 6, 2022 16:01
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Opopanax posted:Seriously, are there two movies named Deadstream and I just watched the wrong one? No its just hot garbage and the whole "but hes supposed to be insufferable" thing they went for just made me genuinely annoyed that I wasted my time not like "oh man i cant wait to see him get his comeuppance"
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Nov 6, 2022 16:07
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Not a lot of people know what an insufferable character is, not a lot of people have seen Dashcam.
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Nov 6, 2022 17:14
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The Hausu Usher posted:Not a lot of people know what an insufferable character is, not a lot of people have seen Dashcam. i didnt kno they made a movie of your posts GOT EM
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Nov 6, 2022 17:19
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The Hausu Usher posted:Not a lot of people know what an insufferable character is, not a lot of people have seen Dashcam. I really need to get to this. I keep hearing how awful the protagonist is both in movie and out lol. STAC Goat posted:At the very least Martin Star’s character seems comfortable in a rut. He’s content to come home every day and eat a microwaved meal and watch tv. She’s not. That’s the crux of their conflict. She’s unhappy and wants to change and as much as he seems to sincerely love her and is concerned he’s not actually hearing her or offering a solution to the core problem. This is the crux of it yeah, he does absolutely nothing for her. He says the right words but takes zero actions. Take her shopping for new clothes, offer to have her teeth whitened, go on a nice date, instead it's him content in his humdrum routine. E: take her to a hobby fair, get her linked up with taxidermy enthusiasts.
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Nov 6, 2022 17:34
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I'm mostly in the "Martin Starr was a good husband who did nothing wrong" crew, but at a certain point you should maybe forceably take your wife to the doctor.
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Nov 6, 2022 17:37
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He wasnt capital B Bad, he was just negligent to her needs because he was satisfied in their life. Dare I say it's a normal thing to happen to some couples in a rut, just that this rut seemed to be going on for a long time.
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Nov 6, 2022 17:43
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And it’s a rut in a horror film, so everyone probably isn’t going to solve their issues rationally. The conversations with the tv were great and a taxidermied person is cool. Plus a model husband was contributing the same amount to her goals and desires.
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Nov 6, 2022 17:53
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I can’t believe I’m saying this but Smile was not bad?
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Nov 6, 2022 17:56
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checkplease posted:And it’s a rut in a horror film, so everyone probably isn’t going to solve their issues rationally. The conversations with the tv were great and a taxidermied person is cool. Plus a model husband was contributing the same amount to her goals and desires. Dan Stevens absolutely killed it with his bit part.
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Nov 6, 2022 18:05
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veni veni veni posted:One thing about The Outside that annoyed me so much was that they went through so much work to make a loving recreation of the late 70s/early 80s(?) and for some reason they inexplicably have a LCD TV from like 2007. to me, the anachronism felt like a deliberate choice that fit the absurdist tone of the whole thing. There’s also a reference to Viagra, which wasn’t around until the ‘90s. it also fits the ambiguity about how much of the events are actually just taking place in the protagonist’s head. It definitely wouldn’t have worked in a more grounded period horror piece like The Murmuring, but it didn’t feel out of place to me here Barry Convex fucked around with this message at 18:10 on Nov 6, 2022 |
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Nov 6, 2022 18:07
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alf_pogs posted:I feel like he was written to be quite a bad communicator and listener - his reassurances that she is beautiful feel much more like appeasement rather than genuine consideration of her crisis. she is secondary to his goal of maintaining the status quo; his ultimate contribution is to essentially keep telling her "this problem isn't real". I don’t think that’s true at all. The only thing he didn’t do was actively support her melting her own skin off. He clearly didn’t know how to deal with it and pleaded with her to go to a doctor. He didn’t just dismiss it as nothing. I don’t think his character was meant to represent misogyny at all.
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Nov 6, 2022 18:25
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It's that passive, low key, thing that pretty much all men do without realizing it, not necessarily the active conscious woman hating you get out of incels. Again, that doesn't make him a bad person, just a dope who wasn't as able to help as he could have been. This is horror, characters (especially ones that aren't the main character) often find themselves in situations they're unequipped for and end up getting got. I watched this almost immediately after Barbarian and friend let me tell you they dovetail nicely.
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Nov 6, 2022 18:43
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veni veni veni posted:
Yeah I wouldn't say he's an outright misogynist but his attitude is 100% backed by being a mere of the patriarchy Dan Stevens character is more the misogyny stand in
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Nov 6, 2022 18:46
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Baron von Eevl posted:It's that passive, low key, thing that pretty much all men do without realizing it, not necessarily the active conscious woman hating you get out of incels. How is his “neglect” gendered and how much is just general bystander effect? (I’m not contesting it wasn’t neglectful or gendered, I’m just trying to pick apart nuance in our reactions)
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Nov 6, 2022 18:49
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I don't know man, if you don't understand the idea that men sometimes don't take women's concerns seriously I don't know if I can teach you. She says explicitly "it's easy for you to say 'just be happy with who you are,' you can be ugly and weird and people will still like you because you're a guy" and that kind of spells out the gendered privilege this deals with.
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Nov 6, 2022 18:58
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Baron von Eevl posted:I don't know man, if you don't understand the idea that men sometimes don't take women's concerns seriously I don't know if I can teach you. Do ppl genuinely believe this attitude is a good way to get people to take your view seriously
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Nov 6, 2022 19:00
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:I can’t believe I’m saying this but Smile was not bad? It's pretty good! And in related news, apparently this weekend it's crossed the 200 million box office mark, for a movie that only cost 17 million to make.
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Nov 6, 2022 19:01
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The horror thread is getting weirdly misogynistic, drat!
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Nov 6, 2022 19:03
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The opening to The Outside sets up the dynamic between Stacey and her husband very efficiently and sets up a quick test of where your sympathies lie. I think it's natural to feel more sympathetic towards Martin Starr's character because, well, Stacey's fears are irrational: there's no one in the house and there's unlikely to be anyone in the house. Why is she calling the police? It's a funny punchline when Starr hangs up on her. When you find out that Starr isn't just a police officer that's friendly with her because she calls so often but her husband, that context should challenge that initial reaction. Is Stacey really entirely unsympathetic because she calls her husband for reassurance when she's frightened at night? At the same time, it wasn't like Starr said anything incorrect to Stacey. He's being as helpful as he knows how, but as the rest of the episode shows, there are limits to how helpful saying "It's all in your head" can be, even when it's true. What's so challenging about the episode is that even though I can see the shortcomings of Starr's approach, I don't know what I would do differently in his position. It's a very difficult and frightening situation to be in.
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Nov 6, 2022 19:04
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There's actually a phrase coined by Jaiden Animations on youtube during a song she wrong with Boyinaband about her eating disorder, about why trying to explain someone's problems away doesn't work - "Just because you know that you're colour blind it doesn't mean you can see the colours"
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Nov 6, 2022 19:18
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Baron von Eevl posted:I don't know man, if you don't understand the idea that men sometimes don't take women's concerns seriously I don't know if I can teach you. But the problem is the short doesn’t show any of this. He doesn’t take her seriously because she calls him when she hears random noises. We the audience already see how she is weird as poo poo, and lonely, and paranoid. Like the short is an hour long and we only get her perspective but we never see Martin Starr contrasted with her. If he was ugly or fat I don’t think he would care because as far as I can see the guy just goes to work does his job and comes home and has zero social life. Seems like he spends any and all down time with his wife. So her bringing that up just came out of nowhere. I thought she was just saying poo poo because she was scratching herself silly
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Nov 6, 2022 19:28
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Barbarian did this idea way better because it was well made and not incredibly silly
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pospysyl posted:The opening to The Outside sets up the dynamic between Stacey and her husband very efficiently and sets up a quick test of where your sympathies lie. I think it's natural to feel more sympathetic towards Martin Starr's character because, well, Stacey's fears are irrational: there's no one in the house and there's unlikely to be anyone in the house. Why is she calling the police? It's a funny punchline when Starr hangs up on her. When you find out that Starr isn't just a police officer that's friendly with her because she calls so often but her husband, that context should challenge that initial reaction. Is Stacey really entirely unsympathetic because she calls her husband for reassurance when she's frightened at night? At the same time, it wasn't like Starr said anything incorrect to Stacey. He's being as helpful as he knows how, but as the rest of the episode shows, there are limits to how helpful saying "It's all in your head" can be, even when it's true. What's so challenging about the episode is that even though I can see the shortcomings of Starr's approach, I don't know what I would do differently in his position. It's a very difficult and frightening situation to be in. You should watch Safe if you haven't before, it's the same idea but played straight and in a much more realistic way. It's pretty terrifying to think about.
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Nov 6, 2022 19:39
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If the outside was trying to say anything at all I’m not sure what it was. Yeah it’s full of social commentary, but the conclusion, and the characters motivations were borderline incoherent imo. There is all sorts of ways to read it and I don’t think any of them really work.
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Nov 6, 2022 19:55
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Baron von Eevl posted:I don't know man, if you don't understand the idea that men sometimes don't take women's concerns seriously I don't know if I can teach you. I agree with the feeling, yes. But you can tease apart the interactions of multiple power dynamics if you actually analyze it instead of just, you know, not. Like, if they had a different relationship how would that affect the story and our feelings and what does that say about relationships. There’s more to feminist critique than just playing Where’s Waldo with patriarchy, it’s a whole lens to look at art with and it’s fun to discuss and learn, ya know?
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Nov 6, 2022 19:57
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Also I loved the Deadstream guy. He sucked so much but was so perfect in being a lovely influencer I loved it. Every time he screamed I cracked up.
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CelticPredator posted:Also I loved the Deadstream guy. He sucked so much but was so perfect in being a lovely influencer I loved it. Every time he screamed I cracked up. I thought he was funny. Total shithead, someone I would never want in my life but he was a funny dude. Him getting his comeuppance at every turn and his reactions to it were hysterical.
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CelticPredator posted:Also I loved the Deadstream guy. He sucked so much but was so perfect in being a lovely influencer I loved it. Every time he screamed I cracked up. His comedic timing really made that character
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Definitely The movie didn’t want you to root for him until he made himself root worthy and then it was still funny to see him get throughly owned.
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